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so basically from what I've read in these threads..... they ****ed this all up. the books made it much more palatable in that they gave the reader good reason/reasons why this came to pass. but the TV show ****ed it up. so....I really want to know WHAT they ****ed up. would you please use a spoiler if need be and tell us why jons death/assasination makes so much more sense in the book than it does in the TV version? EDIT - welp....looks like you already covered this in the post just before this one! hahaha. anything else? |
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GRRM made Ned, Robb, and Jon all great leaders in some aspects, but their downfalls were all self-made through their individual weaknesses: -Ned was blinded by his honor, refused to play the game. -Robb was a great military tactician, but was hopeless in political scheming. -Jon was completely focused on the long term enemy to the detriment of his immediate personal situation. In the books, Jon's killers were pretty well justified. As far as they know, they were preventing the desertion of the wall, which was their protection from the wildlings. In the show, they were just kind of stupid jerks who were mad at Jon. (Really, why did they let the wildlings through the wall if they were going to kill Jon for it the next day?) |
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I hate that he was killed, because I thought they'd really set up his story to be interesting over the next couple of seasons. That setup seems to all have been for naught. |
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Given that it affects future things in the story (both show and books), should those theories be discussed here? |
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So uh, what happened with Margaery and her brother?
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Instead of dealing with all the crazy spoilerage and pages and pages of discussions in spoiler, why don't people who want to talk about book theories and such come and ask them in the book reader's thread?
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There was that scene in the show where Baelish and Sansa were in the Winterfell crypts, and she made mention of how her Aunt Lyanna had been kidnapped and raped by Rhaegar Targaryan. While Sansa is remembering the story she is being told and staring intently at Lyanna's statue, Littlefinger looks at Sansa at gives her a sly smile and a smirk.
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In any case...god, I hope Melisandre can resurrect Jon like Thoros did for Beric Dondarrion all those times. |
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I also don't think that Littlefinger wanted to push the Seven Kingdoms into civil war.
I believe that he negotiated for Ned to take the black but Joffery being a little psychopath with no political instincts whatsoever decided to execute him. You could argue that Littlefinger first wanted to get at the people that wronged him ie Jon Arryn, Ned, and Robert. |
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- Stannis' wife says that Jon is some upjumped bastard of a tavern wench, and Stannis points out "That wasn't Ned's way". Meant to make people wonder how honorable NEd could have fathered a bastard. Totally out of character for Ned. - Melisandre tries to seduce Jon telling him she feels power running through him and that he has the power to cast shadows. Given those statements, it made it seem like Jon has king's blood in him. - Barristan tells Dany about what a good guy Rhaegar was and how he didn't like to fight and preferred to sing, all of which makes us think it unlikely he was a kidnapper and raper. So yes, the show went out of its way in that episode to give hints that Jon might be Lyanna and Rhaegar's son. |
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And look where it has gotten him. He brokers Tyrell-Lannister alliance (which would not have been needed if not for the war) and gets made Lord of Harrenhall as a result. That status allows him to finally marry Lysa and then he kills her so now he is Lord Protector of the Vale and Lord of Harrenhall. On the show, he tells Cersei he will take back Winterfell with the Vale troops if she makes him Warden of the North. And so on. Littlefinger thrives on chaos, and that is exactly what he wanted to create. |
Not necessarily hinting at who she was, but before he left for the Watch, Ned told Jon that they'd get together someday and he'd tell him about his mother. Seemed rather foreshadowish at the time.
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Yes I think so. During the boat ride with Sansa leaving King's Landing I believe. |
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There was also a clue about Jon's true lineage in a scene with the Targ Meister at the wall. Sam is reading raven messages about Dany, and the Meister starts talking about how he feels for his family, being so far away from home and other family members, then Jon walks in. I may have read too much into it, but the timing on it was a ridiculous coincidence if it wasn't meant to be there.
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Jon will be revived by Melisandre... or by the Gods, I will end Benioff and Weiss. |
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HBO announced they want to do an 8th season and a prequel. Don't have a link. The emergency awesome dude did a YouTube about it.
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I wouldn't mind seeing Rhaegar, the Mad King, Arthur Dayne, younger versions of Ned and Robert, etc.
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That could be awesome as well. The original Long Night with the First Men and Children of the Forest could be interesting also. |
I could see them rather doing Robert's Rebellion or Dunc & Egg just because of the lack of dragons/direwolves that would eat at their budget.
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How long of a prequel though? Just one season? It'd have to be jam packed to fit everything in. I'd love to see Robert's rebellion though.
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Can this show just get started already?
It occurred to me today how ironic it is that Brienne is trying to protect the Stark children with a sword that was forged by melting down Ned Starks sword, who gave it to Robb. Both of which were brutally betrayed in order to get the sword that she wields so well. I wonder if she knows where the steel came from? I know Jamie knew. |
I'm pretty sure Jamie tells her it came from Ned's sword and that she would be using Ned's sword to try to save Ned's daughter.
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I guess I forgot about Jamie telling her about it. Either way, it's kind of weird.
I can't embed this from my phone but it is a dude given a breakdown of why the Unsullied suck shit at riot control. Most of which has been posted here already, but it's an interesting watch. http://youtu.be/4hQqr3Pbj7Q |
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