That's a BIG win for STL and keeps some key pieces in play for an Arenado deal if there's traction there.

Works for me

That's a solid trade. Jose belongs in the AL too. Good for him.

My Rays fans are pissed. ROFL

Looks like a solid deal. Looks like Martinez had more value than some people in here thought.

How did this happen? How did Mo make such, what appears to be, a phenomenal trade?! Did TB have to make up for the Pham trade?!

Sounds like a really nice deal.

Rays are trying to run down the Yankees and stay ahead of Boston.

The Yankees have Paxton and Happ in their rotation (lefties) not to mention a LH closer in Chapman. The Red Sox have Price, Sale, Rodriguez and Perez in theirs (potentially 4 more lefties).

You want to find a spot for a RH contact hitter who puts good swings on lefties but can't play defense to have significant value? My friends, I give you the AL East.

His value in a vacuum is iffy but he's actually a pretty damn good fit in TB for a team that's looking for cost effective ways to hang with two very talented teams with a lot of lefty pitching.

But yeah, your Rays fans should be pissed. And you can take this deal back to it's roots and give Mozeliak quite a bit of credit for it. Martinez was acquired from the Royals for nominal cash considerations and Arozarena was a relatively affordable international signing. Then a little luck to boot when they won the 'lottery' to get their comp balance pick in the A round after the 1st rather than the B round after the 2nd.

I mean the Cardinals gave up a player they acquired for free who simply didn't fit in the NL, a draft pick they were given due to the largess of MLB and an international signing who was largely unheralded at the time.

And in return they got a kid who was considered the best P prospect in his class during the pre-draft run-up (but scared teams off with the possibility of honoring his college commit; turns out he likely overplayed his hand) and who's pitched well since being drafted. Hell, even the C they got appears to have a hell of a stick. Reminds be a bit of Jhon Torres who they got in the Mercado deal; a 'who' of a prospect at the time but a guy who puts bat to ball with authority.

Very interesting trade indeed. Cardinals won’t add Carlson in a potential trade for Arenado. Now they get Liberatore, who, as mentioned earlier, is best friends with Gormon. Coincidence or just another trade chip?

https://stlbullpen.com/2020/01/06/ca...third-basemen/

Now I don't necessarily agree that Rendon's a superior player, but the conclusion is definitely sound - they're close enough as to make little difference.

Which is to say this team damn sure does not need additional prospects to get this deal done - they simply need the will.

And if they include prospects it is effectively selling them for the purposes of getting the Rockies to take additional contractual liabilities that would free them up for the Ozuna contract.

This idea that Liberator was acquired to flip to Colorado had better just be typical hyperventilating Bob Nightengale horseshit There's simply no reason for the Cardinals to be going ham in their offer here.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Matthew Liberatore and Nolan Gorman met when they were 5, played baseball with and against each other until they went 16th &amp; 19th overall in the 2018 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MLBDraft?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MLBDraft</a> and now will reunite in the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/STLCards?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#STLCards</a> system. Here&#39;s a closer look at the longtime best friends: <a href="https://t.co/LUe8d7Nt5n">https://t.co/LUe8d7Nt5n</a> <a href="https://t.co/zIbYDPSKu9">pic.twitter.com/zIbYDPSKu9</a></p>&mdash; MLB Pipeline (@MLBPipeline) <a href="https://twitter.com/MLBPipeline/status/1215436172819824641?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Side note to your Rays fan friends - remind them that they'll REALLY like Hose. Mostly because they won't have to watch him try to field.

He's as nice a guy as you'll find in the game and a genuinely great teammate.

Who wouldn't enjoy watching a giraffe on ice skates. :)

Mo actually came out good on this, color me shocked.

If we somehow get Arenado and get to keep Carlson, Liberator, and Gorman (yes I know we should, but Mo makes dumb deals) and get rid of at least one bad contract, if not more, then I may have to give Mo a pass for a while.

Rosenthal seems to think this was the first move to ultimately get Arenado.

I've come to believe that, if Arenado is traded, it will be to St. Louis.

I've also come to believe that if Arenado costs them any of their top 3 prospects without the Rox absorbing BOTH Carpenter and Fowler's deals, than the Cardinals are fools who should've just signed Rendon.

I'd probably go 2-1 that nothing gets done at this point, but even a mere 2-1 is fairly bullish. There's just a lot of moving parts on this deal and when the Cards showed no interest at all in pursuing Rendon, it showed that they're simply not interested in absorbing a contract like Arenado's in a vacuum.

Saw a tweet that Chicago MLB reporter Bruce Levine reported "the Cardinals trade offer he heard for Nolan Arenado would be newly acquired Matthew Liberatore, Dakota Hudson, Carlos Martinez, an Tyler O'Neill. Good luck topping that offer, anyone."

As much as I want Arenado, that deal is just crazy.

Hudson and Lib is too much.

**** that offer. For 2 years? No way.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/m...h-alex-gordon/

Cardinals emerging as Arenado suitor

The Cardinals are beginning to emerge as a viable suitor for Rockies third baseman Nolan Arenado, reports MLB.com's Jon Morosi. Morosi says the two teams have engaged in "preliminary" trade talks and St. Louis intends to add a star player prior to Spring Training.
Matt Holliday and Larry Walker both left the Rockies and went on to have success with the Cardinals (Holliday made a quick pit stop with the A's), and Arenado is said to be close to St. Louis first baseman Paul Goldschmidt, which could help entice him to waive his no-trade clause. Morosi notes Matt Carpenter and Dakota Hudson could factor into an Arenado trade.

Carpenter and Hudson fine, I wonder who else they are including. As maddening as CMart is...that is not something we should consider IMO.

Who’s this guy and why is it news?

the Cardinals on Tuesday obtained righthanded-hitting outfielder Austin Dean, 26, from the Miami Marlins in exchange for 18-year-old outfielder Diowill Burgos.

no way it’s just an old overpaid veteran and a #3 at best probably ceiling as a #4 starter. If so, that’s worth 2 years of Arenado. :thumb:

Updates are that they exchanged names and the discussion was 'not productive'.

Rox are wanting the Cardinals to pay like Arenado doesn't have an opt out. Cardinals are unwilling to take on the entire contract and Rox are unwilling to take on contracts to make the deal work.

In other words, the Rockies appear to be living in an alternate reality where players nearing their age 30 seasons and lugging around $35 million/season contracts (who will leave if they overperform and stay if they underperform) have massive trade value.

Good on the Cardinals for not being stupid here. Perhaps they learned their lesson from the Goldschmidt deal.

Still chaps my ass that Harper was a FA in an offseason where teams were historically tight-fisted (Donaldson just got the same AAV as Harper for his age 34-37 seasons) and the Cardinals felt the need to give up assets to get an aging player instead of just signing a young probable HoFer off the market.

But, we have a log jam in the outfield. Can’t make it worse.:rolleyes:

Ozuna signs with Braves on a one year deal worth $200k more than the QO he rejected from the Cardinals. The market just wasn't there for him.

If I'm reading the below link correctly, looks like the Cardinals will receive a comp pick after Competitive Balance Round B (which follows the second round).

http://m.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/qualifying-offer

Buh bye!!

Weirdest random sports fact that is kind of hard to believe - the Missouri professional sports team with the longest current championship drought - St. Louis Cardinals.

Crazy that Spring Training is almost here.

Well they aren't winning shit under Mo/Shildt. Get used to it...

Betts and Price to LA pending physical.

Gay

If anyone is interested for this upcoming season:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">🚨 $6 Tickets loaded with $6 Cards Cash 🚨<br><br>Today only ➡️ <a href="https://t.co/GYWGnPAyDG">https://t.co/GYWGnPAyDG</a> <a href="https://t.co/CfpvfRD4GH">pic.twitter.com/CfpvfRD4GH</a></p>&mdash; St. Louis Cardinals (@Cardinals) <a href="https://twitter.com/Cardinals/status/1227261075269308418?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 11, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shildt says Cabrera, Montero and Sánchez have each recently had another positive COVID-19 test. They remain asymptomatic.</p>&mdash; Jeff Jones (@jmjones) <a href="https://twitter.com/jmjones/status/1282424581421236229?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Shouldn't this be under the 2020 thread, BRC? (Thanks for sharing, btw)

**** sorry :spock: