The best we can ever hope for is average, the guy is never going to be great. I was really pulling for the guy to be the golden boy, but I have come to the painful realization that's not going to happen. After what I witnessed the second half of the season all I could do is think was not this crap AGAIN.

You probably think you can beat the 60% chance you'll lose on the roulette wheel too.

If by 'fixed' you mean neutered, Jim Harbaugh already took care of that procedure for us.

Smith backers and supporters are the equivalent of having battered wife syndrome. Of course, that could be same as a chiefs fan in general.

Meh.. I didn't like the way Alex went into a shell in the second half of the season. The only real question to ask is.. will he crawl back out? He has shown the mentality to crawl back out.. but KC will have to give him better pass pro and receiving help in 2015.

It's interesting that the "haters" all recognize that Smith is not elite... but at the same time, expect him to be able to do what only elite QBs could (which is to excel with a crap OL and meh receivers, for the most part).

Reidcuses.

Yet Reid won't adjust out of his horizontal offense and push the ball down field.

Blame smith for Reid always giving him an easy out.

20 wins in 2 years for us. Thats so terrible.

Don't need to always push the ball down the field although I'd love that.

How many playoff wins in two years?

No, your hyperbole that he couldn't make one touchdown pass tells me a lot about you though. You have no problem with an outright lie to make a point.

Other than the built in bubble screens, most of Andy's passing concepts stretch vertically. Alex just takes the shorter route or just checks down.

Rivers was really banged up last year. They were about as unlucky as we were in that department.

You REALLY don't pay attention to the Kansas City Chiefs?

To not know the answer to that question at this point in time, wow!!

Which comes back to coaching. Take away the shorter routes and check downs to force smith to throw to the open receiver.

Yet Andy still coddles him and enables smith.

BFD. Win when it matters.

And so...it begins.

Again.

Andy Reid Directs Jackass

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Great Johnny!! Now try it with a football in your hand!!!

Hell, he can't win during these second half of the season, much less when it really matters.

2-6 last year, I think 2-6 again this year. And while he got into some shootouts last year and lost, this year was completely on the offense. Several games where the D gave up 20 or less and the offense no-showed.

Want a spoon, our shall we put it in your sippee cup?

How about a 25 year refund? Is that possible?

And a memory-wipe, please.

HS teams can run a 2 min offense better that Reid and Smith.

Reerun, don't you know how HARRRRRRD it is to win in this league?


(God I ****ing hate that excuse)

You'll never get a refund on that $3 you spent buying a Chiefs T-shirt at Goodwill. Consider it a loss and move on. I suggest a moving on to a team that drafts 1st round QBs regularly and neglects the OL the way you want them to, like the Raiders or Browns. It has worked so well for them.

$3? Too much.

Yeah, I know its a weeks salary for you. :thumb:

LMAO

Yeah, I should get some financial advice from the cHunt; he's made millions selling a never-ending car crash to morons.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry; now a mid-tier car crash. Improvement!

Just for the sake of clarity, Saccopoo is claiming that Alex Smith has a Steve Young type of season in store for 2015 and will lead the Chiefs to the SuperBowl. If this happens, we the posters of ChiefsPlanet have an obligation to make sure Saccopoo gets his dick sucked by Jim Jones.

19-24 in games after week 8 since 2009.

I think he just needs a good OC. The first 10 just sucked.

"It" never ended.

I wonder how many times this thread title has been used in the last 10 years?

Feel free to show us all the franchise QB's available the last 2 years.

Carr and Bridgewater are viable options, but let's not act like they are great yet. I wanted Carr but even now there's very little evidence showing they will be great.

They don't have to be great yet.


Even just being what they are right now would be a cheap er option, getting likely a similar result

I don't want a first rd QB with "similar results" to Alex Smith. If we draft a first rd QB I want said QB to be a 30 TD 4k caliber player

Heavens Gate had quite a few people with good careers to.
http://www.people.com/people/archive...121819,00.html

Better get a new HC or a real OC. Your not going to achieve that passing sideline to sideline.

That offense got him 5 NFCCG's and a SB appearance. I would take that.

Then your expectations are all ****ed up and you should prepare to be disappointed.

The idea behind drafting a 1st round guy is that he could become that 4k 30 TD guy. Not even Andrew Luck or Russell Wilson met those standards their first or even second seasons.

Luck just did that this year and Tannehill appears to be that caliber as well.

The point is not the past, but the present.

Here, this day, you have boldly stood up in your Zubaz and proclaimed, "I FULLY ENDORSE THE LIL' CHIEFY TEAM-BUILDING METHOD, AND HAVE LEARNED ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN MY TIME AS A FAN OF CHIEFS FOOTBALL. JUST GET ME SOME O-LINE AND WE'LL MAKE THIS HINDENBURG LAND, I SWEAR IT".

Etc.

Anyone with any football knowledge at all knows we need OL help. If you think a "franchise QB" will win us anything with this OL you know nothing about football. It all starts in the trenches.

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Your statements' era of relevance called and wants it's Pet Rock back, thx.

I thought there was "more than one way to win a Super Bowl."

Go ahead and live in your ignorance. It doesn't matter if we draft the next Andrew Luck (not that there is one available), with this OL he will never be a franchise QB. An OL like this ends careers for young QBs.

I'm aware.

You initially said you didn't want a 1st round guy that gave you Smith results. Honestly, out of a rookie that's exactly what you're going to get but at about $800k as opposed to $17 mil.

Then, you hope that he can develop into a 4k 30 TD guy like Luck has. Or win you a Super Bowl like Russell Wilson has..

Either way, what I'm getting at is that you shouldn't expect 4,000 yards and 30 TDs from a rookie. By his third year you can start to expect those kinds of results.

Name the great OL in the last 20 years and the championships they won with non-franchise QBs.

You know damn well that we lost in the playoffs with the #1 OL and the #1 offense in the league because our D sucked. It wasn't the fact that Trent Green was a retread or non-franchise QB. With even an average D we could have won the SB with Trent "retread" Green.

Certainly some other world class OL, with a second rate QB, happened to have an average defense compelling them to an NFL Championship at least once in the last 20 years.

I don't want to hear anymore about how it's Andy Reid's fault Alex doesn't throw it downfield.

McNabb threw it down field all game every game. So did Vick and Foles.

Here are the amount of throws OVER 20 YARDS IN THE AIR, NOT YAC McNabb has each year.

04 71
05 38
06 47
07 43
08 62
09 48

Mike Vick threw 55 passes over 20 yards in the air in 2010 (in 12 games)
In 2011 he threw 50 in 13 games
He threw 42 in 2012 in 9 games

Then came Nick Foles who threw 27 passes over 20 yards in the air in 8 starts under Reid.

Alex Smith only threw 18 passes ALL YEAR that traveled 20 yards in the air or more.

18

I don't want to ever hear how that's Andy Reid's fault....or the offenses fault.

The offense is built to test defenses deep constantly.

Not to mention zero TDs to WRs.

We have finally surpassed Marv Levy and the winged-T for having the most out dated offense in the NFL.

Thanks Alex.

So that makes the real question.. 'Does Andy know he ****ed up and they do everything possible to get a replacement and/or Alex out of town, or does he go full Pioli and double down on a piss poor decision rather than own it and admit fault?"

It's not the offense.

I just showed that.

Look at his history.

I wouldn't be shocked if we drafted a QB in the first this year.

He drafted Kolb when he already had McNabb

Drafted Foles when he had Vick playing at an MVP level.

What part of "Thanks Alex" makes you think I put the blame anywhere but on his shoulders?

The line above that describing the offense as outdated.

It's not the offense, it's the guy running it on the field.

No worries though. Were in agreement.

Name one team with a bottom 5 OL that won a SB in the last 20 years.

How do you rate "bottom 5"?

Same way you rate "Top 5."

Average OL is good enough. Average QB is not.

The Steeler and Packer lines were garbage.

How do you rate "world class OL"?

http://www.advancedfootballanalytics...ffensive-lines

Here is a list of OL rankings. We weren't bottom 5, but we were bad.

Still, where the Chiefs OL rated is irrelevant to my point. He wanted to know what team with a "world Class OL" won a SB with a non-franchise QB, so I asked him to name a team with a bottom 5 OL that won even with a franchise QB. It works both ways, which some of you guys fail to see. And THAT was my point, which clearly went right over your head. I hope you at least heard it go by.

So you think non-franchise = bottom five? If you define it that way, I guess it does work both ways. If you define non-franchise as not top 10, then no it doesn't.

Alex wasn't even Andy's first choice. It's clear as day Nick Foles was his guy. He didn't even get permission from the Eagles to acquire Foles.

And look at what the **** he did in his 2nd year. And he can make throws downfield.

Alex was the obvious choice in 2013. It appears that we are building the team up for said rookie QB to excel in early on.
Big Ben, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning and Tom Brady are perfect examples of this theory.

I fully expect us to draft a QB in the first 3 rounds in the next 3 drafts. Alex isn't getting any younger and he for damn sure won't be seeing $20.6 million dollars at age 34.

That sound you just heard? My point going right over your head.

This team would be pretty exciting if we had scored Nick Foles.

Top 5 QB and an average OL? No problem. You can win a championship.

Average QB and a top 5 OL? You're screwed.

I would have like Foles too.

You're an idiot.

I asked because I was going to mention the line on the Packers most recent Super Bowl run.

Lots of extra money to put the pieces around him to a championship with.

Has a set of balls.

Can build around him and have a 10+ year window.

Is the type of player this fanbase would LOVE.

Smith won't go down field because he has to many easy check downs in Reid's horizontal offense.

Never stop the Reidcuses.

Whom Reid went all in with him But considering Reid won't change his offense to force the ball down field. It all falls back on Reid and his horizontal offense.

He traded 2 2nd round picks for Smith. If he wasn't his guy then he is monumentally more stupid than I give home credit for.

You guys are killing your reidcuses defense with these rebuttals.

Well you should have easy check downs. This isn't Madden where you send 4 wideouts deep on every play.

So down field mean strictly 9 routes?

This board wanted absolutely nothing to do with Foles coming out of college.

Now you can build a franchise around him? Gotta love CP.

The ReidSmith combo is a useless waste of time.

In other words, business as usual in Chiefs Kingdumb.

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I'm not sure what they mean by "Accuracy", but I imagine there is a shit ton of variables one could figure into that stat. Like a guy only throwing down field when a guy is wide open.

We didn't have a bottom 5 OL this year.

We had a bottom 7 OL this year. See my bet with Rausch.

And one, literally ONE player was responsible for that awful ranking, otherwise they'd be an adequate OL.

And if Smith can't win with that, he's AIDS and needs to die.