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-King- 05-08-2014 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 10613829)
I don't doubt the kids' ability. let me be clear (Obama voice)...

but I doubt what he's going to do in our 'current' defense. maybe Sutton has some sort of idea how to flex him etc. he sure as **** isn't a DE in a 3-4. But I like what he brings. let's just hope they use him better than Berrry

:facepalm:

Seriously?

BossChief 05-08-2014 10:17 PM

He will need to learn some more pass rush moves, but this guy is a pure ROLB that should allow Houston to stay at LOLB.

He should really bolster our pass rush.

Mr_Tomahawk 05-08-2014 10:18 PM

Stud

jonzie04 05-08-2014 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 10613832)
Like Andre the Giant.

:D lol. DT didn't sound to manly. Neither did LT.

Pablo 05-08-2014 10:18 PM

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Mr_Tomahawk 05-08-2014 10:18 PM

@adamteicher: Dorsey: "We clearly thought (Ford) was the second-best pass rusher in this draft.''

booger 05-08-2014 10:18 PM

Desmond Moses looked awful. Zombo can hold up as a drop/rush guy but doesn't put fear into anyone without houston or hali on the other side. Next up for depth at OLB is two UDFA's from last year are Josh Martin and Ridge Wilson. OLB was a huge need.

I was hoping like hell someone from Carolina all the way to the end of the first would move up and take Dennard, Lee or Benjamin, whoever, to get another pic.

Kony Ealy as has been mentioned would have been another solid pick. He's big enough where he isn't going to stand up and play OLB like Aldan Smith and there's 4-3 teams rumored about talking him adding weight to play DT. Could have spelled as an End in subs, rushed inside in subs in year one and be ready to start at DE in year 2 either at the 5 or 3tech. Wouldn't have been too pissed to see Ward taken here either.

I hope they can pick up a 3 or 4th rder for Flowers as I think it's his last year in KC the way things sound. Detroit would be a player I would think. Gunther lost his DC gig but was kept on as an adviser to the coaching staff and personnel dept if you can believe that lmao. He was here when he was drafted in 08.

Tamba being that big is interesting news. My only concern with him playing that heavy is 2 things. He's busted ass with the MMA workouts with the Gracies the past few offseason so I can't see that he would all of the sudden get lazy and show up out of shape. If it's to play him at End in the base that's really intriguing and I like the idea even though you worry about stopping the run.

Tjack leaving leaves a big hole at LE just with the size factor alone. They really don't have anyone that size except Catapano and he isn't making a big jump to starting. I like the walker signing. 35" arms but I don't think people realize he's really damn short. I see Devito over there and Walker at RE unless they try Hali at LE.

It's possible too they play Hali heavier at OLB and he's just added bulk to play 3tech in subs.

Mr_Tomahawk 05-08-2014 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 10613848)
Almost the right thread.

Duno wtf happened there...

I think the AIDS.

mcaj22 05-08-2014 10:19 PM

this regime loves drafting injury prone players lol

notorious 05-08-2014 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 10613853)
Duno wtf happened there...

I think the AIDS.

You would think that we have gotten so much AIDS that AIDS would be worried about contracting Chiefsplanet.

Iconic 05-08-2014 10:20 PM

That feeling when your team drafts who you wanted... it's amazing.

penbrook 05-08-2014 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10613856)
this regime loves drafting injury prone players lol

Knile Davis. Look how that has turned out so far

htismaqe 05-08-2014 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 10613829)
I don't doubt the kids' ability. let me be clear (Obama voice)...

but I doubt what he's going to do in our 'current' defense. maybe Sutton has some sort of idea how to flex him etc. he sure as **** isn't a DE in a 3-4. But I like what he brings. let's just hope they use him better than Berrry

Dude, you know I love you man but are you drunk or something? He's an inch shorter and 5-7 pounds lighter than Justin Houston. He was NEVER going to play DE. He's a pure 3-4 OLB. They listed him as a DE because Auburn played a base 40 front. He's going to play standing up on the outside, just like Hali and Houston.

I've only posted this like 50 times. Is it just not registering?

notorious 05-08-2014 10:21 PM

Ford isn't going to help Fisher's confidence in practice.


This might backfire.

BossChief 05-08-2014 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10613625)
I wonder if they are looking to line up like this on d...

RDE Hali (they tweeted that he weighed in at 280 a week ago)
NT Poe
LDE Walker

LOLB Houston
ILB DJ
ILB ______
ROLB Ford

CB Flowers
CB Smith
SS Berry
FS Abdullah

That's a defense that can be extremely disruptive.

Guys...Ford will NEVER be a DE except in sub sets...he will replace Hali as the teams ROLB and the fact that Schefter tweeted that Hali is above 280 suggests a position change for the vet.

jd1020 05-08-2014 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook (Post 10613859)
Knile Davis. Look how that has turned out so far

How?

Fumbling every 23 touches and currently broken.

penbrook 05-08-2014 10:21 PM

Per Herbie Teope

Dorsey said Chiefs fielded calls from five to six teams surrounding potential trade partners.

notorious 05-08-2014 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook (Post 10613866)
Per Herbie Teope

Dorsey said Chiefs fielded calls from five to six teams surrounding potential trade partners.

Oh ****.


This might make some people angry.....

penbrook 05-08-2014 10:22 PM

Dee Ford tells us he never had contact with the Chiefs throughout draft process. Said he's a big fan on Tamba Hali and Eric Berry.

htismaqe 05-08-2014 10:22 PM

Hali played DT in subs in college. He's very versatile. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see them move him forward and slide Ford into his spot.

Quote:

Originally Posted by booger (Post 10613850)
Desmond Moses looked awful. Zombo can hold up as a drop/rush guy but doesn't put fear into anyone without houston or hali on the other side. Next up for depth at OLB is two UDFA's from last year are Josh Martin and Ridge Wilson. OLB was a huge need.

I was hoping like hell someone from Carolina all the way to the end of the first would move up and take Dennard, Lee or Benjamin, whoever, to get another pic.

Kony Ealy as has been mentioned would have been another solid pick. He's big enough where he isn't going to stand up and play OLB like Aldan Smith and there's 4-3 teams rumored about talking him adding weight to play DT. Could have spelled as an End in subs, rushed inside in subs in year one and be ready to start at DE in year 2 either at the 5 or 3tech. Wouldn't have been too pissed to see Ward taken here either.

I hope they can pick up a 3 or 4th rder for Flowers as I think it's his last year in KC the way things sound. Detroit would be a player I would think. Gunther lost his DC gig but was kept on as an adviser to the coaching staff and personnel dept if you can believe that lmao. He was here when he was drafted in 08.

Tamba being that big is interesting news. My only concern with him playing that heavy is 2 things. He's busted ass with the MMA workouts with the Gracies the past few offseason so I can't see that he would all of the sudden get lazy and show up out of shape. If it's to play him at End in the base that's really intriguing and I like the idea even though you worry about stopping the run.

Tjack leaving leaves a big hole at LE just with the size factor alone. They really don't have anyone that size except Catapano and he isn't making a big jump to starting. I like the walker signing. 35" arms but I don't think people realize he's really damn short. I see Devito over there and Walker at RE unless they try Hali at LE.

It's possible too they play Hali heavier at OLB and he's just added bulk to play 3tech in subs.


penbrook 05-08-2014 10:22 PM

Dorsey said Dee Ford will be a "fine addition to the locker room culture."

mcaj22 05-08-2014 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook (Post 10613859)
Knile Davis. Look how that has turned out so far

is that sarcastic because reports are hes banged up so bad he might not even be ready to start the year lol. Travis Kelce and Sanders Commings were/are also injury prone.

Its not a bad thing, its just guys with good measureables that get hurt and leave you holding your dick with no depth

penbrook 05-08-2014 10:23 PM

OLB Dee Ford stresses he played in the SEC, can stop the run. Adds he's adding to "every aspect of my game."

Jerm 05-08-2014 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook (Post 10613872)
Dorsey said Dee Ford will be a "fine addition to the locker room culture."

Was he a team captain?

-King- 05-08-2014 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10613860)
Dude, you know I love you man but are you drunk or something? He's an inch shorter and 5-7 pounds lighter than Justin Houston. He was NEVER going to play DE. He's a pure 3-4 OLB. They listed him as a DE because Auburn played a base 40 front. He's going to play standing up on the outside, just like Hali and Houston.

I've only posted this like 50 times. Is it just not registering?

I think a mass PM has to be sent to every member saying that he'll play OLB not DE, cause I don't think people are actually reading the posts.

jd1020 05-08-2014 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook (Post 10613866)
Per Herbie Teope

Dorsey said Chiefs fielded calls from five to six teams surrounding potential trade partners.

Too risky to trade back and miss out on Ford, potentially.

notorious 05-08-2014 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 10613878)
Was he a team captain?

/Pioli

Snapplez 05-08-2014 10:24 PM

Hope he's good

Discuss Thrower 05-08-2014 10:24 PM

http://i.imgur.com/IQii774.jpg

penbrook 05-08-2014 10:24 PM

Reid said Chiefs "identified him a while back," adding GM JOHN DORSEY felt strongly about Dee Ford.

BossChief 05-08-2014 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 10613849)
@adamteicher: Dorsey: "We clearly thought (Ford) was the second-best pass rusher in this draft.''

He was.

htismaqe 05-08-2014 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 10613867)
Oh ****.


This might make some people angry.....

Why? Just because they got offers it doesn't mean they got any GOOD offers. There's no reason to trade down just for the sake of trading down.

notorious 05-08-2014 10:25 PM

Is there any possibility of trading Hali this year?


Maybe we can get rid of the "No Holding Calls Ever" curse by getting rid of him.

-King- 05-08-2014 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10613888)
Why? Just because they got offers it doesn't mean they got any GOOD offers. There's no reason to trade down just for the sake of trading down.

Cardinals only got a 3rd to move down 7 spots. I don't think we got any good offers.

Mr_Tomahawk 05-08-2014 10:25 PM

@cover32_KC: Dee Ford measurables: 35 1/2" vert, 10'4" broad, 29 reps, 4.54 40. Justin Houston measurables: 36 1/2" vert, 10'5" broad, 30 reps, 4.68 40.

jd1020 05-08-2014 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10613890)
Cardinals only got a 3rd to move down 7 spots. I don't think we got any good offers.

Only?

Thats pretty fair.

notorious 05-08-2014 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10613888)
Why? Just because they got offers it doesn't mean they got any GOOD offers. There's no reason to trade down just for the sake of trading down.

This is CP.


If we drafted 6 All-Pro's, people would still melt down.


I like this pick, which is a little scary.

-King- 05-08-2014 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10613892)
Only?

Thats pretty fair.

I wouldn't move down more than 3 or so spots for a 3rd round pick.

BossChief 05-08-2014 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10613871)
Hali played DT in subs in college. He's very versatile. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see them move him forward and slide Ford into his spot.

I'm pretty sure Hali was a full time DT until his senior year at Penn St.

Discuss Thrower 05-08-2014 10:27 PM

It's a bad pick if they could've gotten him later.

O.city 05-08-2014 10:27 PM

Tamba showed up to workouts weighing 284, which everyone is chirping at him being over weight fatty.

Do the realize he was listed to be playing at 275 last year?

jd1020 05-08-2014 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10613898)
I wouldn't move down more than 3 or so spots for a 3rd round pick.

That's because you don't have a clue about draft value.

Iconic 05-08-2014 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 10613891)
@cover32_KC: Dee Ford measurables: 35 1/2" vert, 10'4" broad, 29 reps, 4.54 40. Justin Houston measurables: 36 1/2" vert, 10'5" broad, 30 reps, 4.68 40.

He's like a faster Houston... I'm loving this guy more and more.

mcaj22 05-08-2014 10:27 PM

I love this pick if its to replace Hali

I hate this pick if its because they cant afford to extend Justin Houston

that simple

RunKC 05-08-2014 10:27 PM

Just for those keeping up....

Vance Walker was one of the best pass rushing DT's last year and will line up in same spot most of the time.
Mike DeVito is working on getting his pass rush technique down and losing weight to gain speed.
Mike Catapano showed nice flashes last year and they think he can be a nice rotational guy.
Dee Ford is a very quick and proven pass rusher.

Our pass rush was good last year until injuries happened. I'm VERY excited about the pass rush this year. This is going to be tremendous for our secondary. Get a DB in round 3 or 4 and this defense looks much improved.

penbrook 05-08-2014 10:28 PM

As @AJCFalcons reported, the Falcons were trying to trade back into first round for Dee Ford or Ryan Shazier.

htismaqe 05-08-2014 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10613899)
I'm pretty sure Hali was a full time DT until his senior year at Penn St.

They moved him around a lot. I seem to remember most of his time being spent on the outside but he may have spent the majority of his junior season at DT. That was a long time ago but regardless, we have proof he can do it.

O.city 05-08-2014 10:28 PM

There's still metric shit ass ton of talent on TE board. We gotta get back in the 2nd round. Just don't trade berry

booger 05-08-2014 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10613871)
Hali played DT in subs in college. He's very versatile. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see them move him forward and slide Ford into his spot.

He did. He stood up and rushed from a 2 point too. I just worry about his feet problems he seemed to have when playing heavy.

I worry about size at LE but the one thing that helps so much in the run game is just how damn good Houston is at setting the edge in the run game. I thought maybe when they move on from Hali they would swap Houston over to the rush LB spot but he plays the sam so well I don't think they should and Ford fit's that rush spot very well.

Mr_Tomahawk 05-08-2014 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook (Post 10613911)
As @AJCFalcons reported, the Falcons were trying to trade back into first round for Dee Ford or Ryan Shazier.

Pioli

Dante84 05-08-2014 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by booger (Post 10613850)

Tjack leaving leaves a big hole at LE just with the size factor alone. They really don't have anyone that size except Catapano and he isn't making a big jump to starting. I like the walker signing. 35" arms but I don't think people realize he's really damn short. I see Devito over there and Walker at RE unless they try Hali at LE.

Youre forgetting Walker.

O.city 05-08-2014 10:29 PM

I don't really give a damn if he can set the edge or not.

Get to the QB

Iconic 05-08-2014 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10613907)
I love this pick if its to replace Hali

I hate this pick if its because they cant afford to extend Justin Houston

that simple

He's definitely not here to replace Houston, it's Hali who's looking like the casualty atm.

Discuss Thrower 05-08-2014 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook (Post 10613911)
As @AJCFalcons reported, the Falcons were trying to trade back into first round for Dee Ford or Ryan Shazier.

Yeah that's not making me feel any better.

penbrook 05-08-2014 10:29 PM

WR class is deep this year

htismaqe 05-08-2014 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10613907)
I love this pick if its to replace Hali

I hate this pick if its because they cant afford to extend Justin Houston

that simple

Given the reports about Hali's weight, I think they might be looking to get all 3 of them on the field at the same time.

BossChief 05-08-2014 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10613890)
Cardinals only got a 3rd to move down 7 spots. I don't think we got any good offers.

I'd have gladly taken a 3 to move down to 30 in this draft.


You know what some guys would be bitching about right now if that happened?

"At least they could have taken a pass rusher if they weren't gonna take a QB"

Dayze 05-08-2014 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nychief (Post 10613835)
Reid says OLB.

this is what I hope. I just hope they can get a replacement for TJax.

jd1020 05-08-2014 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 10613926)
He's definitely not here to replace Houston, it's Hali who's looking like the casualty atm.

Trade Hali for something, anything. But we'll probably just cut him next year and get nothing.

Rausch 05-08-2014 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10613907)
I love this pick if its to replace Hali

I hate this pick if its because they cant afford to extend Justin Houston

that simple

Hali will hit the road before Houston...

RunKC 05-08-2014 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10613914)
There's still metric shit ass ton of talent on TE board. We gotta get back in the 2nd round. Just don't trade berry

Sorry man. It sucks but I doubt we'll get to pick in round 2 tomorrow unless we do trade Berry.

I think a DB and WR will be the pick with our 3rd and 4th round picks.

mcaj22 05-08-2014 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 10613926)
He's definitely not here to replace Houston, it's Hali who's looking like the casualty atm.

I will believe that if and when the Chiefs decide to handle their Alex Smith/Justin Houston extensions

until then im going to assume the worst because its the Chiefs

O.city 05-08-2014 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10613932)
Given the reports about Hali's weight, I think they might be looking to get all 3 of them on the field at the same time.

I think the weight thing is a bit overblown, but it's plausible.

Get all of them on the field at once.

ChiTown 05-08-2014 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10613934)
I'd have gladly taken a 3 to move down to 30 in this draft.


You know what some guys would be bitching about right now if that happened?

"At least they could have taken a pass rusher if they weren't gonna take a QB"

Yeah, no.

Discuss Thrower 05-08-2014 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10613934)
I'd have gladly taken a 3 to move down to 30 in this draft.


You know what some guys would be bitching about right now if that happened?

"At least they could have taken a pass rusher if they weren't gonna take a QB"

Get an extra third, package the two 6th rounders to move up as high as possible, trade a 2015 4th and one of the thirds to get a second.

Profit.





Bitches.

Dayze 05-08-2014 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10613939)
Hali will hit the road before Houston...

yep

and I think he'll hit the wall about 1/2 through the season. I said it last year and got my shit pushed in (N'TTAWWT)

-King- 05-08-2014 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10613934)
I'd have gladly taken a 3 to move down to 30 in this draft.


You know what some guys would be bitching about right now if that happened?

"At least they could have taken a pass rusher if they weren't gonna take a QB"

I'd need a 2nd to move down that far.

ChiTown 05-08-2014 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10613932)
Given the reports about Hali's weight, I think they might be looking to get all 3 of them on the field at the same time.

I sure as hell hope so. That would sense

jd1020 05-08-2014 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10613957)
I'd need a 2nd to move down that far.

ROFL

So clueless.

Unless you are talking about a high first you aren't getting a 2nd.

You must be related to Dorsey and his whole "I'm not trading Albert for a 3rd, but I'll willingly accept a ****ing comp pick" stance.

Sofa King 05-08-2014 10:35 PM

I can't take him seriously with that voice. I really can't.

The Franchise 05-08-2014 10:35 PM

Since we run sub sets......maybe they're planning on using a 4 man front of Hali, Walker, Poe and Catapano.....and then having Houston and Ford roam around

ThaVirus 05-08-2014 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10613724)
That's just dumb.



He was the highest rated OLB in the NFL...even with the injury slowing him down.



You don't know what you're watching.


I'm trying to find out what you saw that made you think Houston has one of the quickest first steps in football..

That's just.. Too much. And I love Houston.

BigMeatballDave 05-08-2014 10:36 PM

He thinks he's better than Clowney. I like the confidence.

mcaj22 05-08-2014 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10613977)
Since we run sub sets......maybe they're planning on using a 4 man front of Hali, Walker, Poe and Catapano.....and then having Houston and Ford roam around

youre giving Bob Sutton way too much credit

Iconic 05-08-2014 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10613938)
Trade Hali for something, anything. But we'll probably just cut him next year and get nothing.

This is what's bothering me right now. This pick would be worth it's weight in gold if we cut ties with Hali and got a pick out of him. But from the looks of it, the Chiefs want him playing on the line his last year...

-King- 05-08-2014 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10613970)
ROFL

So clueless.

Unless you are talking about a high first you aren't getting a 2nd.

Yeah, it's not like the Patriots traded the 29th pick for the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 7th round picks from the Vikings last year or anything...

Discuss Thrower 05-08-2014 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10613970)
ROFL

So clueless.

Unless you are talking about a high first you aren't getting a 2nd.

Yeah, none of the trades until the Vikes/Hawks trade involved a second rounder.

The Franchise 05-08-2014 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10613992)
youre giving Bob Sutton way too much credit

Maybe he didn't have a ton of shit outside of the starters to work with last year.

Dayze 05-08-2014 10:37 PM

Sutton is as overrated as a McRib.

booger 05-08-2014 10:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 10613924)
Youre forgetting Walker.

read that again. I added plenty about walker. Take a look at this pic
http://www.kcchiefs.com/media-center...1-409969651fed

Those guys are TC scrubs but listed at 6-5 and 6-3. Walker looks about 5-11. That worries me about him playing LE against RT's. It's why i posted about Devito playing LE and walker at RE.


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