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O.city 12-15-2013 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10278250)
He doesn't have a spot. With Garcia being on the 40 man, they might as well outright him.



I don't think that is nitpicky. That's a substantial weakness. Gaby Sanchez would be a perfect target. He straight up murders LHP .333/.448/.539 (179 wRC). You can platoon him with Adams at first, but that puts some stress on Craig, as it offers him fewer chances to rest his legs while keeping his bat in the lineup.

Still, I think that's the move.

I've always liked Sanchez. Would be a good move.

You could also try a rf who could hit lhp, allowing Craig to play 1b more. I dunno who's out there though.

O.city 01-05-2014 07:25 PM

So when do pitchers and catchers report?

BigRedChief 01-05-2014 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10348152)
So when do pitchers and catchers report?

Thanks for the bump. At least one of my teams doesn't disappointment me every damn year.

O.city 01-05-2014 07:35 PM

Yeah, I figure it's time to get this rolling.

BigRedChief 01-05-2014 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10348183)
Yeah, I figure it's time to get this rolling.

Not quite ready yet
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdQqOF1CYAAFPey.jpg:large

bdj23 01-05-2014 10:10 PM

I'm dying for baseball season.

BigRedChief 01-19-2014 02:15 PM

Carpenter will be in the front office

ST. LOUIS • Cardinals starter and the winningest pitcher in the club's postseason history Chris Carpenter will join the club's front office in a role that is still in the process of being defined.


Carpenter and general manager John Mozeliak had a meeting earlier this month to discuss a post-retirement role for the pitcher.


Mozeliak announced this morning that they came to an agreement on a position, one that would not be in uniform. Carpenter is interested in learning about various aspects of the front office and could be involved in the scouting process, Mozeliak said. The details and the title of the job are being written by him now.
Mozeliak called Carpenter "unofficially onboard."


He referenced the i's that need dots and the t's that need crosses -- including a job title -- before Carpenter's next employment can be formally announced.


Carpenter will have a role in spring training with the major-league club. He will not be in Jupiter, Fla., for the entire stretch.


Mozeliak said that Carpenter will be enrolled in the spring program that the Cardinals have for many of their young scouts. Mozeliak envisions a way for Carpenter to get experience at several levels of scouting. That is similar to what former closer Ryan Franklin did before moving into a special assistant to the general manager role.

wolfpack 01-19-2014 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10348152)
So when do pitchers and catchers report?

February 12th. I think that's the day.

BigRedChief 01-29-2014 08:05 PM

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What do you guys think of Larussa going into the HOF with a blank cap? Seems to have pissed some off. No biggie to me.

O.city 01-29-2014 08:43 PM

Meh, don't really care. Unless you were with 1 team your whole career who cares

O.city 02-13-2014 11:22 AM

So reading some Cardinal stuff online got me thinking, apparently even with bringing in Peralta, we have quite a bit of cap space and some young pitching to spare (potentially).

If the right deal/player were to come along, a move could be made.

What player/move could come along that would make you think twice about this? Who would you make a move for?

raybec 4 02-13-2014 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10431273)
So reading some Cardinal stuff online got me thinking, apparently even with bringing in Peralta, we have quite a bit of cap space and some young pitching to spare (potentially).

If the right deal/player were to come along, a move could be made.

What player/move could come along that would make you think twice about this? Who would you make a move for?

Cap?

O.city 02-13-2014 11:34 AM

Salary cap.

raybec 4 02-13-2014 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10431289)
Salary cap.

Baseball doesnt have one, only luxury tax

O.city 02-13-2014 11:49 AM

Free payroll fits better there.

kcpasco 02-13-2014 12:16 PM

When Taveras is ready what do you do with Adams if you move Craig back to 1st base. Unless you plug him into CF and just deal with his defense. I guess it is a good problem to have.

alpha_omega 02-13-2014 12:48 PM

I know a lot of you around here are Cards fans.

But, i am not. Respect to your team...but i hate the ****ing cardinals!

That is all...thank you for your attention.

O.city 02-13-2014 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 10431383)
When Taveras is ready what do you do with Adams if you move Craig back to 1st base. Unless you plug him into CF and just deal with his defense. I guess it is a good problem to have.

There's enough AB's in RF, 1B, and LF with Holliday getting some breaks to get them all enough AB's.

Easily.

BigRedChief 02-13-2014 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 10431383)
When Taveras is ready what do you do with Adams if you move Craig back to 1st base. Unless you plug him into CF and just deal with his defense. I guess it is a good problem to have.

This stuff seems to work itself out in the long run.

BigRedChief 02-13-2014 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by alpha_omega (Post 10431491)
I know a lot of you around here are Cards fans.

But, i am not. Respect to your team...but i hate the ****ing cardinals!

That is all...thank you for your attention.

Usually when someone comes in here and takes a shit and leaves we neg rep them into red. I'll let this one slide.

alpha_omega 02-13-2014 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 10432234)
Usually when someone comes in here and takes a shit and leaves we neg rep them into red. I'll let this one slide.

I do appreciate the intended purpose of your thread.
And I don't drop in much, but for whatever reason I saw it on the front page and had to post my feelings about your team.

I didn't leave though. If you want to let it slide that's fine, if not do what you have to do.

Mi_chief_fan 02-13-2014 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 10431383)
When Taveras is ready what do you do with Adams if you move Craig back to 1st base. Unless you plug him into CF and just deal with his defense. I guess it is a good problem to have.

I think you play him in CF. His D has to be better than Jay's.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-13-2014 08:07 PM

Peter Bourjos is the CF of this team. Not Jon Jay, and not Oscar.

Mi_chief_fan 02-13-2014 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10432357)
Peter Bourjos is the CF of this team. Not Jon Jay, and not Oscar.

Well, for this year, yeah.

Mi_chief_fan 02-13-2014 08:12 PM

However, when (not if) Bourjos is on the DL, I say play Oscar every day. See if he can handle it.

BigRedChief 02-13-2014 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10432357)
Peter Bourjos is the CF of this team. Not Jon Jay, and not Oscar.

Not if you listen to Matheny. The dude goes out of his way constantly to say the job is Jay's. There is competition in spring training but he is the current starter.

If they start Jay and just let Bourjas start against lefty's I'll be pissed.

BigRedChief 02-13-2014 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by alpha_omega (Post 10432329)
I do appreciate the intended purpose of your thread.
And I don't drop in much, but for whatever reason I saw it on the front page and had to post my feelings about your team.

I didn't leave though. If you want to let it slide that's fine, if not do what you have to do.

Nah, thats reserved for assholes. You can hate on the Cardinals for no valid reason other than some Cardinal fans in college pissed you off.:p

kcxiv 02-14-2014 03:01 AM

I want Revenge this year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

Simply Red 02-14-2014 05:30 AM

I guess I'm looking forward to baseball, to an extent. Meh, the Braves are a carbon copy of the Chief's come playoffs though.

Simply Red 02-14-2014 05:31 AM

in the Braves defense - the DID lose two starting pitchers, so that really hurt this, last year.

VAChief 02-14-2014 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 10432456)
Not if you listen to Matheny. The dude goes out of his way constantly to say the job is Jay's. There is competition in spring training but he is the current starter.

If they start Jay and just let Bourjas start against lefty's I'll be pissed.

He has to say that, nothing has been won on the field yet. It would be stupid as a leader to say otherwise at this point.

BigRedChief 02-14-2014 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by VAChief (Post 10432764)
He has to say that, nothing has been won on the field yet. It would be stupid as a leader to say otherwise at this point.

I understand that Matheny backs his players. Thats one reason he has support in the locker room. He has their back. I would not expect him to diss a player or say anything derogatory even in the slightest hope that's true.

We saw what happened when Larussa flapped his gums about Rasmus. We lost a helluva lot trade value when he did that. Besides I'm not on board with Hamas's position that robinson is good as a 4th outfielder.

I'm assuming that if Bourjas goes down with an injury for any length of time, Taveras gets the call up to the big show.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2014 05:42 PM

Garcia shut down after experiencing shoulder pain during his throwing program. Going to St. Louis for an MRI.

http://a.gifb.in/032012/1332266173_garbage_man_rage.gif

O.city 02-22-2014 05:44 PM

Uh



Just move on from the guy ffs

kcpasco 02-22-2014 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10447294)
Garcia shut down after experiencing shoulder pain during his throwing program. Going to St. Louis for an MRI.

http://a.gifb.in/032012/1332266173_garbage_man_rage.gif

I am really not that surprised. The Cards should probably go ahead and be looking to replace Garcia anyways.

It would be nice to have a lefty in the lineup but Martinez or Kelly can step in and replace him.

gblowfish 02-22-2014 05:50 PM

Wow! Looks like 19 guys are going to turn over in your 25 man roster! Radical!!

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/22/world/...als/index.html

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2014 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10447301)
Uh



Just move on from the guy ffs

No doubt. It's not surprising in the least. A shoulder injury is the worst injury a pitcher can have, and Garcia is made out of papier mache, anyway.

Store this away:

Any time a pitcher hurts his shoulder just throw him in the gutter.

O.city 02-22-2014 05:58 PM

That sucks, but did any of you guys actually think he was gonna be in te rotation anyway?

I'd love to have a lefty in there but I'm about ready to see little Pedro get te shot

BigRedChief 02-22-2014 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10447294)
Garcia shut down after experiencing shoulder pain during his throwing program. Going to St. Louis for an MRI.

If anyone was counting on Garcia they were fools. What pitcher has ever returned from the type of shoulder surgery Garcia had?

Sucks for him but we still have a deep pitching staff. We can even lose another pitcher and still have no problem having a top level staff.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2014 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10447344)
That sucks, but did any of you guys actually think he was gonna be in te rotation anyway?

I'd love to have a lefty in there but I'm about ready to see little Pedro get te shot

I don't believe in his ability to be healthy, nor do I trust him in any big game situation. He's a valuable player to have from April-August, but you could never count on him in a postseason series.

Waino, Miller, Lynn, Wacha, Kelly is your rotation. I still think they keep Martinez as the setup man, even though I'd love for him to get the shot. Lyons will spell some guys.

O.city 02-22-2014 06:07 PM

Kelly doesn't miss a lot of bats but this seems to be an easy choice for him to slide right into that spot.

BigRedChief 02-22-2014 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 10447325)
Wow! Looks like 19 guys are going to turn over in your 25 man roster! Radical!!

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/22/world/...als/index.html

I know this was a joke but got me to thinking. I thought we has a lot of turnover since the 2011 WS team. We only have 11 members of that WS team on the current team. Thats quite the turnover.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2014 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 10447373)
I know this was a joke but got me to thinking. I thought we has a lot of turnover since the 2011 WS team. We only have 11 members of that WS team on the current team. Thats quite the turnover.

Happens to every team.

I'm going to try and really appreciate this core we have right now, because it's unlikely we'll ever see anything like it again. Other teams are going to begin raiding our scouts and executives en masse. Several teams are already beginning to copy the organizational blueprint. One one who sucks the penis from the Angels even stole the damned book.

This will be remembered as a golden era, but we need to strike in the next few years, because you can't keep these kinds of teams together forever.

Marcellus 02-22-2014 08:37 PM

Never expected Garcia to be a big part of this team anyway. Opens a spot for a guy who can stay healthy.

BigRedChief 02-22-2014 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10447384)
Happens to every team.

I'm going to try and really appreciate this core we have right now, because it's unlikely we'll ever see anything like it again. Other teams are going to begin raiding our scouts and executives en masse. Several teams are already beginning to copy the organizational blueprint. One one who sucks the penis from the Angels even stole the damned book.

This will be remembered as a golden era, but we need to strike in the next few years, because you can't keep these kinds of teams together forever.

True dat. The Cardinal way book is given to every minor league coach and player. Can't be that hard for another team to get their hands on a copy.

We ain't the Yankees, Angel, Dodgers etc. We can't cover up mistakes with out $2 Billion TV contracts.

We have at least 4 years. Yadi will be done as a catcher. Then we have Rosenthal and Miller hitting FA. Waino will be coming off the books so we can pay one. But next year we got Martinez and Wacha hitting FA.

Starting with the WS Championship, we have a 7 year window. Thats a pretty damn big window for a team with our payroll.

We got 4 years of planning to replace them.

BigRedChief 02-25-2014 05:44 PM

Martinez's wall of porn............

http://deadspin.com/carlos-martinezs...-of-1530062520

Mi_chief_fan 02-25-2014 06:54 PM

Who would've thought that a 21 year old kid would be looking at porn?

bdj23 02-25-2014 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 10453391)
Martinez's wall of porn............

http://deadspin.com/carlos-martinezs...-of-1530062520

To be fair, most of that porn is barely porn.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-25-2014 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 10453391)
Martinez's wall of porn............

http://deadspin.com/carlos-martinezs...-of-1530062520

I didn't think I could like him more. I was wrong.

BigRedChief 02-25-2014 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mi_chief_fan (Post 10453486)
Who would've thought that a 21 year old kid would be looking at porn?

Really tame porn too. Someone needs to show him the good shit.

Mi_chief_fan 03-01-2014 01:15 PM

So, anyone else see yesterdays ST opener? Not a lot of excitement outside of the Wisdom HR. But nothing to really worry about, either.

BigRedChief 03-01-2014 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mi_chief_fan (Post 10460567)
So, anyone else see yesterdays ST opener? Not a lot of excitement outside of the Wisdom HR. But nothing to really worry about, either.

I watched the game.

Gonzalez the soft tossing lefty left several pitches up. Not just one or two but almost every batter.

Martinez pitched great. He left a curve hang and you can't do that. One mistake. At least he kept it together and moved on. I love that fastball that dives inside on the right handers. Impressive. Way too much upside. If he is ready, we can't keep him out of the starting rotation. He can dominate a game.

I sure hope Wong gets it together and doesn't let the slump get into his head. He's hit at every level, he should hit at the big show.

Bourgas is one fast outfielder.

VAChief 03-02-2014 02:57 PM

A couple of notes from today's win. Grichuk as advertised as considerable pop, and looks like he has made considerable adjustments to be able to cover the entire zone. He hit one off the end of the bat to the wall in center.

Piscotty has a cannon. Threw out a runner tagging from third from normal depth in right. The ball came in like a missile on the fly.

Mi_chief_fan 03-02-2014 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by VAChief (Post 10462759)
A couple of notes from today's win. Grichuk as advertised as considerable pop, and looks like he has made considerable adjustments to be able to cover the entire zone. He hit one off the end of the bat to the wall in center.

Piscotty has a cannon. Threw out a runner tagging from third from normal depth in right. The ball came in like a missile on the fly.

That may turn out to be an amazing deal for the cards.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-02-2014 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 10447833)
True dat. The Cardinal way book is given to every minor league coach and player. Can't be that hard for another team to get their hands on a copy.

We ain't the Yankees, Angel, Dodgers etc. We can't cover up mistakes with out $2 Billion TV contracts.

We have at least 4 years. Yadi will be done as a catcher. Then we have Rosenthal and Miller hitting FA. Waino will be coming off the books so we can pay one. But next year we got Martinez and Wacha hitting FA.

Starting with the WS Championship, we have a 7 year window. Thats a pretty damn big window for a team with our payroll.

We got 4 years of planning to replace them.

Every year is Our Time

BigRedChief 03-02-2014 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 10463180)
Every year is Our Time

The return of the late 70's Cardinals mojo is always lurking.;)

Pepe Silvia 03-02-2014 11:30 PM

Hopefully 2014 will be one big porno.

BigRedChief 03-03-2014 06:01 PM

Have you guys saw Tim Cooney pitch? I know its spring training and it was the Mets....... but, the dudes curve ball is that big left curve that gives MLB batters fits. He hits his spot. Many times Cruz barely moves his glove.

Was also nice to see Wacha throwing his curve ball with two strikes and men in scoring position. If he can throw that curve ball for a strike, he will take it to the Cy Young level.

VAChief 03-03-2014 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 10464838)
Have you guys saw Tim Cooney pitch? I know its spring training and it was the Mets....... but, the dudes curve ball is that big left curve that gives MLB batters fits. He hits his spot. Many times Cruz barely moves his glove.

He has uncanny control too. He is one under the radar that I will be watching closely. Should probably start out at Memphis this year. Doesn't project as a top end starter, but could be a nice compliment to the power arms. Goes deep in games which saves your bullpen.

bdj23 03-03-2014 07:56 PM

Peralta had two jacks today.

bdj23 03-05-2014 12:02 PM

PSA - STL/Pedsox is on Fox Sports 1.

Miller on the mound.



PS - **** Boston.

Marco Polo 03-05-2014 12:38 PM

Thanks for the heads up! I just turned it on. I never get STL games in Nashville.

bdj23 03-05-2014 12:42 PM

I recently purchased one of those spring training caps. Damn comfortable and a sharp looking hat.

bdj23 03-05-2014 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Marco Polo (Post 10468088)
Thanks for the heads up! I just turned it on. I never get STL games in Nashville.

I feel your pain. I was pissed when FSN took over the Royals contract. The local channel in Lawrence used to show all the KC games, and FSN showed all the STL games.

I think I will cave in and buy MLB exta innings this year.

Marco Polo 03-05-2014 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BDj23 (Post 10468099)
I feel your pain. I was pissed when FSN took over the Royals contract. The local channel in Lawrence used to show all the KC games, and FSN showed all the STL games.

I think I will cave in and buy MLB exta innings this year.

I've thought about it, too but hate the price tag. How much is it this year?

bdj23 03-05-2014 12:54 PM

I think $120 but you get MLB at bat for free. I buy that every year, so basically $100. A bar close to my house has it and I spent a lot of last summer up there watching games. So I spent at least $120 on bar tabs.

WhawhaWhat 03-05-2014 12:57 PM

I assume this still applies but check the blackout map first.

http://www.bizofbaseball.com/images/...ap1000x733.gif

BigRedChief 03-05-2014 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDj23 (Post 10468099)
I feel your pain. I was pissed when FSN took over the Royals contract. The local channel in Lawrence used to show all the KC games, and FSN showed all the STL games.

I think I will cave in and buy MLB exta innings this year.

Its on MLB network now.

I get the MLB extra innings every year.

BigRedChief 03-05-2014 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 10468122)
Its on MLB network now.

I get the MLB extra innings every year.

Sorry, its FOX Sports 1 network.

rolltide2014 03-05-2014 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BDj23 (Post 10468095)
I recently purchased one of those spring training caps. Damn comfortable and a sharp looking hat.


Agreed. That hat is definitely one of my favorites. Footballfanatics.com is having a 40% off sale merchandise so I picked up one of the home red caps with the World Series patch from this past year for $14 last night too.

bdj23 03-05-2014 01:29 PM

I found one with the WS patch but couldn't pull the trigger, I guess I'm still bitter. I have a WS hat from 2011 that I still wear all the time.

bdj23 03-05-2014 01:32 PM

Man... I'm glad to see a SS that can hit.

raybec 4 03-05-2014 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDj23 (Post 10468172)
Man... I'm glad to see a SS that can hit.

I just hope we can find a way to fill the gaps for his shitty range in the field.

VAChief 03-05-2014 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDj23 (Post 10468112)
I think $120 but you get MLB at bat for free. I buy that every year, so basically $100. A bar close to my house has it and I spent a lot of last summer up there watching games. So I spent at least $120 on bar tabs.

I have been buying the online MLB and it is worth it. I can watch on the SMART TVs, but usually watch it on my laptop. With AtBat I can watch it anywhere. It is a great deal if you are out of the St. Louis market area. The only complaint is on Fox game of the week days you get blacked out no matter who is playing.

All in all it is still a pretty good deal considering it costs about what it takes to go to one game with decent tickets and a couple of beers and a dog.

Jewish Rabbi 03-05-2014 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 10468118)
I assume this still applies but check the blackout map first.

http://www.bizofbaseball.com/images/...ap1000x733.gif

I live in Des Moines, and my dad in Omaha, which are both supposedly blacked out, and neither location was blacked out all year. We split an account too, FWIW.

BigRedChief 03-05-2014 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by VAChief (Post 10468552)
The only complaint is on Fox game of the week days you get blacked out no matter who is playing.

I think this is the last year of the Fox News exclusive blackout on Saturdays. I think they finally figured out it didn't increase their audience and took away the possible audience of the other games.

rolltide2014 03-06-2014 09:37 PM

Ken Rosenthal reported today that they're really close to an extension with Matt Carpenter, rumored to be around 6 years, $55 million, buying out his last pre-arb year, all 3 arb-eligible years, and his first 2 FA years. It would run through the 2018 season when he'd be 33. Seems like pretty fair numbers on both sides IMO

BigRedChief 03-06-2014 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rolltide2014 (Post 10471303)
Ken Rosenthal reported today that they're really close to an extension with Matt Carpenter, rumored to be around 6 years, $55 million, buying out his last pre-arb year, all 3 arb-eligible years, and his first 2 FA years. It would run through the 2018 season when he'd be 33. Seems like pretty fair numbers on both sides IMO

Yep, we got ourselfs a trend. player gets guaranteed money. The team gets another couple of years of control. Doesn't have to go into a room and tell then arbitrator how much their player sucks. I bet Carpenter never thought he would make $55 million playing baseball.

The non Pujols signing keeps paying benefits. No way this happens if we would have signed Pujols.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-06-2014 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 10468238)
I just hope we can find a way to fill the gaps for his shitty range in the field.

Jhonny Peralta is as good a defensive SS as Kozma.

Simply Red 03-06-2014 11:35 PM

I'm really just NOT excited about the game starting up - hoping that'll change w/ some early momentum in the division.


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