Another ****ing fullback? Are you shitting me? Better grab a couple more before training camp. Need to get at least seven into camp!

a competent CB is worth a lot more than a FB

Meet the new boss.

when you have a chance to acquire a guy with no rushing, passing, or blocking skills to be your 4th FB...you do it all costs

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...nals-to-chiefs

Not if he doesn't play.

Name the 4. People argued to defer to authority with Piloli and look what happened.

yes, even as injury insurance

and speaking of 'not playing,'...how many snaps per game is our 3rd string FB getting?

Yep. Areneas has more value in this league than a FB.

This ****ing garbage pick up won't play either. At least trade for a position that's been relevant sometime in the last two decades.

let's be clear


FBs as bad as this guy have absolutely no value...

getting a CB who has played as many snaps as Arenas - for nothing - is a nice trade on their part

I would have rather of gotten a 7th.

This ha nothing to do with the fact that if Arenas sucked or not, if it was up to Dorsey and them he'd still be on the team, but Arenas' agent already went on Twitter and explained that they were actively pursuing a trade because of all the activity KC has had in the secondary and didn't feel like Arenas was getting the respect he deserved.

Wait...we trade Arenas for a fullback? I know the op does not mention that, but I just saw a facebook post from Save Our Chiefs. Did we really trade Arenas for a fullback?

so do twitter posts magically force GMs to trade players?

They're trying to get ahead of the next wave in the NFL. Oh, sure, right NOW it's all about wide-open passing attacks, but soon, VERY SOON, it will be about the ground game led by blocking TEs and road-grading FBs -- and the Chiefs will have cornered the market on those positions.

Dave Taub's fingerprints are on this. Special Teams will be fun to watch this year.

LMAO

so, we can we turn around and shop one of our FBs for a starting quality nickle CB?

anyone will make that trade, right?

Well, it is too late, the team is all set.
He is not executive of the year or decade, but our new GM crapped in the same crapper that the guy that drafted Aaron Rodgers crapped in. Its all good as I think the stall even had a door on it.

Correct. If they had traded Kendrick Lewis for a backup fullback I would've shrugged. But Arenas? If nothing else, make Arenas a backup running back or something.

This news shocks and saddens me. Significant shock combined with sustained sadness.

Arenas' pass rush ability reminds me of all the Justin Colquit punts that are going to be muffed because he's left footed and the ball spins differently.

Arenas sucks waste draft pick and now a wasted trade.

Dorsey clearly has no clue what he's doing.

Obviously, they don't like Arenas and he wasn't their pick. You cut him or get a player for him. Who really gives a ****? It's hard to believe people care this much about a move at the bottom of the roster.

:facepalm:

someone in Arizona deserves a donut for pulling a fast one on dorsey...

#Moneyball #contrarian

Good thing we wasted that draft pick this year for a FB. Great value we got out if the Tonyg deal. ****in christ

I wonder who's gonna play Dorsey in the movie?

Should we check and be sure that Dorsey knows that there's more than one cornerback on the field? Maybe he thinks it's like a punter or quarterback and we only play one.

What do they get in 4 months when they cut Arenas?

You all have gone full reerun.

Pioli is the worst GM evar! He drafts nothing but crap! Oh noes! Dorsey gets rid of all of Pioli's awesome players! Dorsey is worst GM evar!

Hey now... Bush was no Pioli. ;)

Maybe we give them their fullback back.

we need kcjohhny right now to explain the devastating power of a 3 TE, 3 FB set...

This is ****ing hilarious. Arenas must be a pro bowler based on these reactions. They had no plans for him, and you can't hold them accountable for Pioli's wasted picks. There is shit to be concerned about, but you dummies are grasping at negative straws here. Arenas blows!

Can we trade Eachus for Casey Hayward? I mean, Dorsey is still buddies with Ted, right? Compensation seems about right, Hayward was the 62nd pick, Arenas was the 50th.

:)

why cut him? they can trade him for a fb, right?

Yeah, dude. Because clearly we are going to carry three FB. As opposed to the wildly improbable scenario where Reid wants to use a fullback and is going to work out three different guys for one roster spot.

So. much. facepalm. today.

the Chiefs won't spank you for being honest about dumb things...it's ok

Drafting right tackles 1.1 and trading for fullbacks is the way to go.

If they had just released Arenas, no one would be saying shit. If they had just signed the FB, no one would be saying shit.

This place is so full of butthurt it's kind of ridiculous.

[QUOTE=ILChief;9648805]This. The dance of the living dead.

No, but agents do

I've been pondering a theory about first-time GMs, where they hold up the mantra of "best player" and value, and end up drafting a bunch of fullbacks and safeties their first year until they figure out that position means something. I remember laughing at Elway's first draft when I think he spent more than half of his picks on tight ends and safeties, but now I'm starting to wonder if it's a pattern.

The true fan blinders aren't going to carry this team to 8-8 nor will right tackles and fullbacks.

yeah I don't understand the rage on this one

...I wouldn't have been surprised to see Arenas released

There's something fishy here..... maybe Arenas was going to come out of the closet as the NFL's Jason Collins? You've got to think outside the box guys.

i think the reality of being 'the guy' cause a slight puckering for new GMs...it's a bit easier to breathe when you're only providing recommendations...

Starting FB> 5th CB

I have no idea what the **** you are even talking about, dude, but saying I'm somehow true fan material is ****ing hysterical. What I am is a pragmatist who doesn't tie his scrotum into a knot over trading a third stringer for a third stringer.

pun intended?

"the NFL is a rushing league now"....said no one ever

I don't know about that.

But this trade makes sense to me.

This, and the Wilson selection, strongly suggest to me that we are gong all in on the short passing game.

And for those using PFF to bash the new FB, he was blocking behind Arizonas O-Line and RBs like Beanie Wells and Ryan Willaims. Not even Mike Alstott or Tony Richardson could impress in those situations.

This. The dude is no good. I was confused to open this thread and see people acting like We'd just traded Tamba Hali for Carson Palmer.

**** yeah! That's the outside of the box thinking this franchise needed. We also drafted an OT 1.1 to protect for those 3 yard passes.

sorry, i can't deal with any more sadness today

False. It was a primarily rushing league until late 20th century.

Nice break down by Gretz.

@bobgretzcom: New post: Another Pioli Blunder Ends With Trade http://t.co/MOhm4hD2Am

speaking of kcjohhny

I'd keep Arenas for his returning skills.

FB?

**** me.
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It's not outside the box, obviously.

But, if I'm right, then it tells us that Reid does recognize Smith's limitations, in spite of the admiration he expressed for him, and he's going to run an offense that utilizes his efficiency, and that he's not going to try to fit a square peg into a round hole.

No.

Given the propensity and importance of dime packages, along with the passing nature of the league, this statement is blatantly wrong.

Additionally, Javier was your #2 inside/slot corner. So, if Dunta goes down or we go to any kind of dime personnel, he's playing. Considering that the only other player who can possibly play in the slot beside Dunta is a player who spent the entire year on IR, I'm just not sure how you come to the conclusion that your "starting FB" is more important than a decent/average slot corner, especially when you evaluate the rest of the roster and realize that you're incredibly thin at the position (unless you're convinced Menzie is just going to be a monster) ROFL.

Complain that Jon Baldwin wasn't replaced. Complain that Tyson Jackson wasn't replaced. Complain that this team hasn't found a legitimate QBOTF yet - we won't even debate whether one was available.

Complain that Branden Albert wasn't re-signed so we could have traded down with Arizona.

Just don't ****ing complain that we gave away a midget, dogshit nickel corner who wasn't going to make the roster in exchange for another guy who at least MIGHT make the roster.

****, people.

no one is keeping you from clapping loudly

You see, right there is the kind of reactionary horseshit I have come to know and love from the troglodytes here. Just because I'm not lying prostrate, wailing in lamentation, doesn't mean that I am striking up the band and firing my pistolas in the air. If you don't hate it, you love it! Right? I must be a truefan for not hating everything! 100% anger or bust!

I just don't give a **** about our 5th CB who has never shown any reason to not burn him at the stake.

Meanwhile, Tony Gonzalez is probably coming back for another year. We should be celebrating that another one of *****'s ****ups is off this team. I literally could not care less who we got in return.

Why?

The only thing that leads to people putting any value in Javier Arenas is the fact that he was overdrafted.

If Arenas had been drafted in the 6th round (like he performed), then nobody would care.

People are giving a value to Arenas that's wildly out of proportion to his actual production and ability. He's a warm body that can and will be easily replaced.

This is just more proof of how ungodly shitty a job Scott Pioli did here. He used a 2nd round pick on a guy who's value in the league was a special teams player.

This isn't an indictment on Dorsey, it's yet another indictment on Pioli. Arenas is awful.

why does it make all the criers cry to point out obvious things?

CB value > FB value

Arenas is a mediocre nickle back
this choad is not even a mediocre FB

the value simply doesn't align

i do this trade every time going FB to CB, I'd never do it in reverse

but sure as hell hootie and the tears show up to wonder why people discuss football on a football message board...

This Dorsey guy... amazing.

Can we make him a scout and get another GM?

its a FB league now .....

I was being sarcastic.

Reid probably does recognize it but it still begs the question: why trade two #2's for Smith?

Arenas was a solid #3 CB and one of the better punt returners in the league.

Just traded him for a ****ing FB. How many does that make now?

Dorsey is terrible at this trading thing.

You must be related to Dorsey.

That Tony Gonzalez trade is the gift that keeps on giving.

other gms have erotic dreams about trading with Dorsey...

I bet this one started as a dare one night when Arizona's front office was getting shit faced...

Goodbye Arenas, we barely knew ye.

:rolleyes:

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3 proven guy now?

SUPABOWL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Would you trade William Bartee for Tony Richardson?

And before you get off-topic and compare this guy to Tony Richardson (which I'm not doing), please answer the question.

Just want to see if you can be honest with yourself that your point, actually, is only accurate if the use of the players and their remaining seasons and their skills are equal.