And with the season kapearnick and Wilson have had you can bet the farm that teams are really going to start over drafting and reaching on QBs

we didn't have the no. One last year
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Kyle Orton is cheap and has a strong arm. Alex Smith is expensive with a noodle arm.

Exactly.

And we knew Matt Cassel was coming back so of course we would've rather have had Orton than him.

Signing Alex Smith would most likely mean we are giving him the starting job like mentioned, meaning we most likely won't draft a QB #1 overall and if we do draft a QB in the 2nd or 3rd, they won't start either.

Meaning Alex Smith is our starting QB for a few years. Yay.

Not.

Same thing this franchise has always done.

Was Smith better under Harbaugh? Sure. Was he a franchise type QB? Of course not. He got benched for a 2nd round pick that never played a down in the NFL yet and he's now about to be released. Franchise QBs don't get released or traded.

But its okay for the Chiefs to sign him up and start him because that's what we've always done and it's always worked out for us right?

Just no to Alex Smith. Unless of course he accepts backing up our draft pick, but he won't.

His arm strength is not great, but it's certainly not a noodle arm. It's definitely more than good enough to run a WCO. Reid had success in the playoffs with Jeff Garcia and his noodle arm, Alex Smith is much better than that.

Kyle Orton is great between the 20s but not when it counts or under pressure.

I think Dane has been misunderstood here. I don't think he's advocating that this is the best option, but that it is in fact a legitimate option.

So lets be clear, you want Alex Smith as your starter for the next 5 years?

And Alex Smith is not better than Jeff Garcia. (When Garcia was Smiths age) I would actually compare Smith to Garcia.

That's exactly what I said. Face palm.

I said clear as day twice that I wouldn't trade picks for the guy or not draft a QB at #1 because of him... but if he was willing to come here in spite of that and risk being a backup, I would consider it, yes. The QB position on this team is an utter disaster and the rest of you are acting like Scott ***** by picking one guy and sticking to it. Dorsey should be doing everything in his power to improve all three spots at the position.

That's what I was pointing out, I like picking out irony. A 28 year old former #1 pick isn't good enough for us because we have the #1 pick, so nothing can go wrong for us now. If you can't pick out the irony in that statement I can't help you.

The other part is pointing out he wasn't good enough for Harbaugh. And you know why he wasn't good enough for Harbaugh? Because he doesn't play the *****-ego game and continues to improve every position regardless of who was picked when, and then plays the best players.

Alex Smith will not get 5 more years with any team to prove himself. But if you're asking me if I'd rather have him than Matt Cassel as the backup, then I would say yes.

Well, bye.

/49ers

If the Chiefs get Alex Smith he won't be a backup...that's what I'm telling you.

No. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO.

Unless you're drafting three QBs you're going to need a backup.

I don't wanna get into a debate with the Geno-is-God cult here. Hypothetically, assessing all possibilities, IF our QBOTF turns out not in this draft, making us wait another year or two, then how much do you think the Chiefs should pay for the tie-over QB Alex Smith?

1- Again, before some of you get your panties up in a bunch, this is hypothetical. I'm not saying do this. I'm saying if the FO were going to do this how much (in draft picks/players) do you approve of them paying the 49ers.

2- If this question has been asked and answered in this thread I don't give a shit and won't go read the entire thread. Just answer the question.

What's the problem with doing it like Seattle did? My guess is everyone thought Flynn was the starter once he signed there. Yet they still went out and drafted a QB... and had a competition. The rookie won the competition. That's life.

Alex Smith and whichever QB the new staff deems worthy and let's get it on. Best man plays.

You know, the QB-or-bust crowd wouldn't jump down peoples' throats so often if it weren't for bitchy potshots that get fired across our bow all the time. It gets really ****ing tiring to read stuff like "Geno-is-God cult" and not respond to it. That kind of attitude is why the gloves come off so often. It's this dumbass notion that everybody needs to respect all opinions just because they're opinions.

Opinions can be wrong if they're not adequately supported, and that's why QB supporters get edgy, which is why you're being overly defensive about a simple question. Nobody was going to lambast you. People can read. They see the word "if" in your post. They know it's just a hypothetical.

As for an answer to your question, it doesn't make any sense at all for Alex Smith to ask for a release if the money isn't as good as what he's getting in San Fran. And that's regardless of if he gets a starting job or not. That's what's so weird about this. No team is going to want to pay him that much just to be a stop gap. You're going to have to find a team that actually wants him to be a long-term guy. And I don't know if he'll find many teams that want that.

No I'm not a diehard Jags fan. Your point is moot. I have no idea who our ST coach was. And honestly I don't care.

This guy has been Cassel his whole life, **** this shit.

I'm not trying to prove a point. My Uncle was the ST coach.

Your post is a major contradiction.

When Smith is released, The NY Jets, Bills and Jaguars will most definitely be interested. Teams like the Chiefs and Titans will likely be interested. It wouldn't be a shock to see the Eagles and even the Vikings interested.

With Smith, Peterson, Harvin and Rudolph, the Vikings would be dangerous.

How many of the QB's in the 2013 class have the athletic backgrounds that Kaep and Wilson share?

I swear, 99% of the people that post about QB's are ****ing talking out of their asses.

The fact that this is a thread shows how sad this franchise and fanbase is... Alex Smith? ROFL Garbage QB for a Garbage Franchise...

Noodle arm?

Uh, no.

Flynn's situation and Smith's situation aren't at all alike. One of them has already been a starter in this league.

Just more ****ing stupid ass shit.

Do any of you mother****ers even WATCH the NFL?

Let's be clear: Your reading comprehension absolutely sucks.

I don't think I said anything about 2013 in my post. Dane, I know more about football than you think.

Frankie, this kind of shit is completely unnecessary.

And. Here. We. Go.

Dane kicks into bipolar mode

Oh yeah!? That's pretty cool man. We went to the playoffs in 2005 so props to him. Tell him thank you. We were only relevant a year after he left.

I'll burn the stadium to the ground before they even dial the first number of Smith's agent's area code.

Based on your posts, I highly doubt that

ROFL

Really?

Didn't you JUST accuse TK13 of wanting Smith for five years?

JFC, you're a ****ing moron.

"My uncle usta did coach in the NFL so I no morre than you!11111!!!".

:shake:

I certainly wasn't pining for Orton. Looks different than Cassel, same result.

True. But you can still have a competition without naming anyone the starter. Let them earn it.

But you cannot deny that plenty were pining for him.

And based off your posts I would assume your some back woods pussy boy that hates real confrontation. I'm still waiting for you to send me a message on where you would like to meet and discuss things further.

What? What are you saying, War Hero?

Are you physically threatening me, again?

And if by "woods", you mean, the Hollywood Hills, which is where I live, then yes.

There isn't any comparison between Orton and Smith. Smith did improve year by year since he didn't play in 2008, after his shoulder was repaired. For the last couple of years he's been a fairly efficient, if unspectacular, quarterback.

Nobody is saying he's great or anything, but he's certainly not Orton or Cassel, and could well be a Trent Green.

You can say that but in reality a competition doesn't really happen between a rookie and a sure-to-be-paid-handsomely long-time starter.

Smith would be the starter, at least initially.

No sir, I don't make threats on the Internet. Never have. I offered to meet you and we could discuss things over a beer. Until that time, keep your tough guy attitude on the bench. Nobody cares about your Internet intimidation, especially not me.

Not interested.

And we're conveniently ignoring the fact that the last two seasons he was a significantly better QB.

The 49ers benched a guy who was completing 70 percent of his passes at 8 yards per attempt. A guy who was 6-2-1 as a starter.

While I don't want Smith to be our only option as a starting QB, I won't cry if he's brought here to be a backup, nor will I attempt to undermine him based on statistics that don't really paint a true picture of the player.

Right.

LMAO

Which is why you've said that I'm "ducking" you and and won't accept your PM's.

ROFL

I live 2,000 miles from KC. I rarely come back. If you're on the West Coast, do as Htis advised and drop me a Rep Note.

It's fair to not be interested, I was just making the statement that he is probably a league average starting QB, whereas the other two were career backup type players.

Most people wouldn't have a problem with him coming here as a backup or a 24-month stop gap.

The problem is that those scenarios just aren't realistic.

A more likely scenario is the one HotCarl suggested - he comes in like Trent Green and starts for 5 or 6 years.

I love Trent but goddammit I am tired of other people's trash lining up at QB for the Chiefs.

I suppose.

He's probably a little better than league average actually. I just don't want to get stuck at the cusp again and not be able to get over the hump.

It would be hard to picture him signing in KC. He deserves a starting shot in the league, and someone will give it to him. He wouldn't want to sign with a team that appeared to at least be an even chance to draft a 1st round QB

If Reid and Dorsey decide not to draft a QB at 1, instead waiting until the 2nd, yeah bring in Smith.


However, if we draft a guy at 1, i'd prefer him to start right away. Trial by fire kinda thing.

I agree, but if he comes here debating "he is a 6.6 YPA QB" for 5 months is not something I want to read.

I don't think he's that guy, especially not with Reid coaching him.

I don't necessarily think he's the guy you saw in San Fran either. The 49ers protected him a lot with Frank Gore. He rarely had to throw the ball 35 times a game.

With Reid, he'd have to throw the ball A LOT more than he's used to and with that, I think his mistakes go up.

SNR and htismaqe, compared to a lot of the Geno-or-bust posters you are two of the more informed posters. So when you post in support of Geno-at-the-top notion, I take it as your opinion that I just don't totally agree with. You have done some homework and arrived at the reason for supporting it.

I'm never a go-for-broke-blind kind of guy and I like to consider all options in my personal decisions. So I want to see the Chiefs be very careful in how they use the top pick. But you have to admit that there ARE those posters on your side too that are just posting as if Geno Smith IS the second coming of John Elway, but don't exactly know why. Most of their posts reflect lack of reasoning. This is a two way street. Those guys also post in a style of cutting down posters of or close to my POV. And more often than not they do it in the most deliberately disrespectful manner.

You two seem to get very defensive when someone posts like I did on the Geno matter. No need for that. If you have a history of informed football posts you should know I was not singling you out. I bet there has been football topics we have agreed on many times.

I posted my question the way I did because I know if I don't clearly qualify it like I did I would get replies and personal attacks, leaving me with the option of either engaging them in kind or regretting my return to this forum. I no longer have time nor appetite for that shit.

SNR, your answer to my question wasn't really the answer to my question. The question was based on the hypothesis that no first or 2nd round QB were taken and you as a fan had to live with an Alex Smith trade. What would be the maximum price (in draft picks or players) you would accept for our FO to pay for him. The contract stuff is left to the FO in this hypothesis and not our concern.

Again I'm asking this of anyone who wants to answer. And if you do, it is under the qualifications that I set up, so if any of you is attacked because of your answer, it is the attacker who looks stupid.

we should sign Smith

then the Chiefs can roll out their marketing campaign, "Back to the Future!"

maybe create some commercials where you see Bono's face morph into Grbac's face morph into Smith's face while ACDC plays in the back ground and the phrase "Most Wins in the 90's" flashes over the screen in comic sans....

YPA with Smith is pretty silly. Alot of it has to do with the playcalling. They aren't a high receiving yardage team. Not even with Kaepernick. This has more to do with Roman's strategic offense than player ability.

I'd take him as an insurance policy for a rookie bust.

But, lets be honest, the guy is making starting money to sit on the bench and he wants out. He isn't going to sit on the bench somewhere else for backup money. He'll be a starter somewhere.

i would pay Smith extra to say he hates BBQ....

the coolest part would be in the future, when all ex-49er QBs have a reunion....the ones without rings would be sitting together at the 'played for chiefs' table nearest the double doors to the Holiday Inn kitchen...

how cool would it be if Smith wore #13?

How cool would it be if The Talking Can learned how to multiquote a post?

Your mom thought it was cool when he double qouted her...

LMAO

This is a terrific idea for a mocking video if it happens.

Remind me of this if the horror of Alex Smith in KC occurs.

how cool would it be if Smith gave his introductory press conference and said, "I'm a less handsome Grbac with more talent than Bono...the Chiefs haven't been 9-7 since 2006...I'm here to put an end to that"

I have to say... Bono was like a 6th or 7th round pick. Grbac was an 8th round pick. Cassel was a 7th round pick. Smith was drafted #1 overall. It's just not the same.

that's what he should say at the presser....maybe while wearing a giant foam finger with #1 on it

Don't be a moron. This is pretty much the same as saying David Carr and Tim Couch failed at #1, so Geno Smith will too.

yes it is

because he played for the 49ers

and he's a backup now

IT'S THE SAME AND LOLS WILL BE HAD

LMAO...wut?

and Smith should wear a Montana jersey at his introduction and make Clark call him 'Joe' whenever they talk on the phone

You're not this stupid. It's not even worth arguing about. If you don't believe there's a talent difference between a 7th round QB and the #1 overall pick in the draft then I can't help you.

wait, this is the commercial...

scene: Candlestick

Montana throws a pass out of the stadium

scene: edge of Grand Canyon

Bono catches it, and throws it over the canyon

scene: Wewoka, Oklahoma

Grbac catches it, turns and throws it over a Pilot Truck stop

scene: Arrowhead, 50 yard line

Smith catches it, turns and throws a swing pass to McCluster who jukes his way 50 yards down an empty field for a TD while Luke Joeckel blocks better than Albert

music: dub step

"From the Land of Superbowls to the Super Place with Lots of Bowls..err....Chiefs!"

This forum is so Pro-Geno that there's no alternative other than Geno.

My advice is to stop wasting your time trying convince people otherwise.

Not true.

People are gonna be satisfied as long as we take a QB in the 1st.

Geno is just Jesus Christ in a lot of people's eyes, but they'll settle for Tyler "Abraham" Wilson.

Who would you like to see here Dane?

Alex Smith has had 7 offensive coordinators in his first 7 years in the league. Amazing how after he had the same coordinator for two years in a row he wound up with a 70.2% completion rate, 13/5 TD/INT ratio, and a 104.1 QB rating (only to be dumped after an injury for Colin K).

I think Reid could do good things with him.

A couple of Smiths on this team would suit me just fine.

Well, I can't speak for others, but I know I do like Geno, but I also like Wilson and Barkley.


I just want the Chiefs to draft and develop their own QB as I think thats the best way to longterm success.

i'm not arguing about anyone's talent level....

i would have to take it seriously to entertain that discussion...I obviously don't...

would you like to argue that acquiring another 49 cast off is a bold and fresh direction for this franchise, Mr. Grumpy Pants?

Here's the honest to God's truth: I don't ****ing care.

I see people talking about "Super Bowl" this and "Super Bowl" that. This team hasn't won a ****ing playoff game in 20 years and hasn't won anything of significance in more than 40 years.

I want to see the new regime take steps to improve this franchise and make it a contender each and every year for the conference championship.

If that means Smith or Flynn or whomever, while drafting and developing QB's along the way, so be it. I don't give a **** what the solution is to this 50+ year problem.

Just ****ing fix it.

It would be good to bring Smith in as competition against whoever the Chiefs decidece to draft at quarterback (Wilson or Smith). However, I just don't see A. Smith wanting to be in this type of situation.

they could do a bit where the camera is a still shot on Clark's face in profile...and he turns slowly, like Herman Cain, and then says in his sexiest voice, "San Francisco....4th time's a charm, baby"