Well that's just plain dumb.

If the best QB in the draft is equal to a guy like Joey Harrington, you don't just take him because you need a QB.

I hope that Reid identifies a QB he feels worthy of the #1 overall pick.

But if he doesn't, I'm not going to ballistic, curse the franchise, etc. because I think he knows more than the fans at this point, even long suffering fans.

How exactly can one be certain?

They're ALL long shots for ****'s sake...

Very true. Lets hope a QB rises up the charts Griffin (not Sanchez) style

Luke Joeckel isn't in the same time zone as Joe Thomas. Don't say it again, it's ****ing blasphemy.

From a financial standpoint, absolutely.

But if the player chosen doesn't become a Franchise QB, you've burned a minimum of two years, if not three.

yes, this is what you said

there is no certainty, and it makes no god damn difference if he's #1 or #5 or #8 or #12....

heads will roll eventually, for everyone...not drafting a QB, or passing on one because "you're not damn certain" will lead to failure...it may be delayed a year or two because you squeezed some mediocre seasons out of a shit bag vet/backup...but you'll end up with your head lopped off

Yeah, but it's a safer pick, because if he flames out at left tackle, he might still become a mediocre guard!

you don't know what the outcome will be until you try...but you have to actually ****ing try to have any chance at success

but yeah, we should avoid the risk of failure...

that's worked great for 30 years...have fun with that

there's a QB in this draft...Reid's job is to draft him

it's that simple

He had a COUPLE of penalties and held up pretty damn well, especially given that he often was without help. I have concerns that drop him to a 5-15 pick for me. I see him going right around #10.

Bill Polian was certain when he drafted Jim Kelly, Kerry Collins and Peyton Manning. Ernie Accorsi was certain when he traded for Eli Manning.

Ryan Grigson was certain when he took Andrew Luck. Shanahan and Allen were certain when they took RGIII.

I think a guy like Andy Reid has a better sense than someone like Romeo Crennel, which is why Clark Hunt went so hard after Reid.

If Reid isn't absolutely certain, I don't think he'd take a guy, just to take a guy.

No he didn't. Whoever is feeding your info is wrong.

If Shannahan was absolutely certain about RG3 why did they draft another in the same draft?
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Bullshit.

You're telling me "smart people" questioned Elway's ability to lead a franchise? Or Peyton Manning? Or Andrew Luck or RGIII?

Bull ****ing shit.

Absolutely untrue.

Again, should the Chiefs take the best QB in the NFL Draft if his ability is equal to Akili Smith, Joey Harrington or even Blaine Gabbert or Jake Locker, because they just happen to NEED a QB?

That is outright ****ing stupid.

That's going to happen with any QB the Chiefs go after. Whether it be Flynn, A. Smith, Freeman, or a kid in the draft. Either way you are looking at putting a couple years in with him.

Again here you are using the 3 or 4 best prospects in the history of the QB position.

THIS

this shit is hilarious...no wonder we've gone 30 years without a QB

you guys are just making up new, stupid reasons to not draft a QB...****ing pussies...

identify the best QB in the draft

draft him

it is not complicated....or...or don't for another 30 years because no QB is as cute as Luck..

the way we've retroactively re-evaluted all QBs based on this year's class is hilarious, and by hilarious i mean ****ing reeruned

That's fair. I see Joeckel going around 5 and Lewan a little lower. I think Lewan has a higher floor, while Joeckel has the higher ceiling.

That's a GREAT philosophy. Take a position of need in the draft because you NEED that position filled.

That's worked out SO well with defensive lineman, hasn't it? Downey, Sims, Freeman, Siavii, Dorsey, Jackson, Poe, etc. and so on.

That's why Cleveland, Buffalo, Arizona, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Oakland, Tampa Bay and Kansas City all need a Franchise QB.

Simple.

:facepalm:

You're ****ing reeruned.

And what if he does bust? Where does that put us? Worse than what?

OH NOES!!! YOU'RE BEING A PUSSY!!

:facepalm:

I don't think there's any way that one of the quarterbacks in the 2013 draft doesn't have the potential to be a franchise QB. Maybe it's Geno Smith. Maybe it's Tyler Wilson. Maybe it's (probably not) Matt Barkley. Maybe it's somebody else.

Their job is to figure out who that guy is and take him. No excuses.

And there are QBs in this draft equivalent to or better than Bradford or Stafford or Palmer, guys who all went #1, guys who've all played well, guys who were not expected to be the next Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck. But guys who were worthy of the #1 pick.

I've said it before, you can't go into the pick expecting hall of fame talent. Because if that's the bar you set, then you you can't draft any position. Because maybe there isn't a Manning in this draft (or is there? let's see how February goes), but there also isn't a Pace or a Suh or a Charles Johnson or a Derrick Thomas. Hell, people are even talking about drafting the new Aaron Curry in the top 10, once tonight's game is over.

what are you babbling about?

it is simple, it is not risk free...you keep obsessing about failure...why?

identify the best QB, draft him

simple...you can't guarantee success, you can only guarantee a chance at success by ACTUALLY DRAFTING A ****ING QB

i'd rather fail for trying then spend another 30 years failing for not trying...

You're the one saying a guy has to be Elway, Luck, RGIII to draft first overall.

That doesn't answer my questions. Cherry picking some good QBs doesn't explain anything.

Why do people keep bringing up Akili Smith as if it were some franchise-killing catastrophe?

Smith was drafted in 1999. The Bengals have drafted Carson Palmer AND Andy Dalton since then. Seems like they get it.

yep.

This is the same guy that crucified people for not wanting to take Sanchez, Clausen, and Gabbert.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Oh wow. That's just a hotbed of garbage.

we've haven't drafted any of these busts...so are we any better off?

no

you draft a QB

if he fails, you draft another one

you don't ever stop

you're much calmer than I

well said, and irrefutable

post of the year

I agree.

how can anyone even fathom going 2-14, having the #1 pick in the draft, and not drafting a QB?

how sick is that?

how perverse?

LMAO

Geno, Wilson, Bray & Barkley are just as good of prospects as them, as well as Locker, Ponder, and even Bradford IMO.

I'm not understanding why this class is getting ripped by Kiper, McShay, etc...

Only thing I can think is because its coming off one of the best QB classes of all time.

But whatever. Guarantee Geno, Wilson & possibly Barkley & Bray will shoot up the boards after the combine and pro days. Kiper & company will mock Geno & Wilson in the top 10 eventually.

Radio guy.

Yes but if Geno or Wilson, after evaluation by Reid and the front office and scouts, is a franchise QB than you take him. Cant worry about the risk

They drafted Palmer four years later and Dalton eight years later.

How many playoff games did they win in the span 1999 and 2011?

Locker sucks and Ponder was called the worst QB in the NFL by Jimmy Johnson. Bradford certainly hasn't been "special".

They win a few if Palmer's knee doesn't get destroyed IMO.

How many did they win before that?

Drafting Akili Smith wasn't a "franchise killer" in any way, shape, or form.

**** before Akili Smith they had David Klinger.

Thats my point.

Sanchez, Gabbert, Locker, Ponder & Bradford were all taken in the Top 12.

Geno, Wilson, Bray & Barkley are just as good as them, if not better, which is why I'm not understanding why this class is getting shit on by everyone.

The Jets, Jags, Titans, Vikings & Rams didnt have a QB, so they took the best one available to them. They actually tried.

Doesn't look like its going to work out for most of them, but they tried and they'll try again until they get their guy.

We have yet to try. FOR 30 YEARS.

This argument is completely stupid because there isn't another player that demands the selection. If Megatron were in this draft, I would understand the push to select him. That would actually be a pretty interesting predicament.

But he's not. And the new CBA mitigates any risk involved in taking anyone, regardless of position.

I'd draft a QB at 1/1 and play him immediately. If he doesn't at least flash, I would have zero reservations about drafting another QB in the very next draft.

Ultimately, if you don't have a QB, you simply cannot win a SB in this league, and I'm tired of knowing that the season is lost before it even begins.

They're getting "shit on" because, at this point in time, none of those players listed deserved to be first rounders.

So what?

This franchise shouldn't draft a guy, just to draft a guy, and further waste the careers of guys like Hali, Charles, Bowe, Johnson, etc.

Dumb. I don't give a **** what the Talking Can says, it's ****ing DUMB to draft a QB that's unworthy of the #1 overall selection, just because it hasn't been done in 30 years.

DUMB, DUMB, DUMB, DUMB.

Joe Thomas was worth the #1 overall pick. That's what I'm talking about.

The Chiefs have the #1 overall pick. If it matters to people that the QBs aren't worth it at that position, it should matter just as much that the LTs aren't worth it.

As far as the Chiefs are concerned, Joeckel and your boy Lewan may as well be slapdicks. They're utter ****ing wastes of a pick.

You're right: Their franchise had been dead for the better part of the decade by that point.

Look, I'm not stating that Chiefs shouldn't take a QB with the #1 overall selection.

I'm saying that they shouldn't take a QB with the #1 overall selection, just to take a QB.

JFC, is that so difficult to understand?

Acquiring a QB through FA pretty much makes a certainty that you're wasting time. However, we don't know what the outcome will be if we draft a QB; the ceiling is exponentially higher.

Show me the alternative, dude. Show me the Megatron. Show me the Von Miller. Where is he?

The answer is HE'S NOT IN THIS DRAFT.

There ARE, however, some QBs that at least have a shot at turning this franchise around.

That's who you take. The guy who might save your franchise.

None of these pass rushers will save a franchise.

And it's also exponentially lower.

If you could have signed a guy that could lead you to playoffs, yet you drafted a piece of shit, you've further closed the window on your existing players.

Again, I'm good with however Andy Reid decides to move forward but if it's free agency or a trade back or a second rounder or even a first rounder in 2013, I'm not going shit myself.

And it seems like 75% of this forum will shit themselves if the selection is anyone other than Geno Smith.

It's not difficult to comprehend, but it's absolutely difficult to understand.

What is the ONE METHOD the Chiefs haven't used to acquire a QB in the last 20 years? And how many playoff games have they won in that span?

It's time for a different approach. We have the #1 pick in the draft. We likely won't EVER have this opportunity again.

Identify the best QB in this draft and take him. Period.

This is why I HATE discussing QB's before The Combines: People are ****ing irrational.

This shit is becoming just as annoying as the Stanzi lovers.

As far as I'm concerned........ Draft two QB's, get another in FA, bring in a vet QB and bring in another undrafted QB. Let the best one play.

My problem with trying to wait until the second is that you then have to be prepared to move up if QBs start coming off the board you believe someone else is targeting your guy.

I will flip my ****ing shit if we surrender next year's 1 or 2 to move back into the first to draft a guy we should have selected at 1/1.

I don't really care. All I know is that the Chiefs would be absolutely foolish to draft a QB, just to draft a QB. They've been doing that same thing with defensive lineman for ****ing years and it's gotten them absolutely nothing.

I'm not talking about QBs. I'm talking about every single non-QB in this draft.

I don't need the combine to tell you what a non-QB #1 overall pick looks like

I do believe we need to throw numbers at the situation, and we have the cap room to do everything you suggest above, including that vet. being a realistic option.

Really? Wow, I wouldn't. I'd actually be thrilled that they came away with two high level starters in 2013.

The window is closing, fellas. And if you put Hali in a 3 point stance, his window will close more quickly.

The game doesn't revolve around defensive linemen.

So the goal is wildcard weekend as quickly as possible? What happened to the real Dane?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings

Pretty good snapshot of how shallow this draft is in terms of elite talent. Sheldon Richardson is #17 overall on this list. I'm a Mizzou fan and I've seen every snap this kid has ever played in D1.

If he's #17 overall, that's not a great statement. He's a fine player, a nice player, but he's far from elite.

I saw a mock draft where he was going 3rd to the Faiders.

The "Real Dane" isn't doing anything but discussing possibilities.

Discussion is a good thing, especially when the new head coach alluded to the fact that it may not be until next year that he drafts a QB.

At this point, I'm numb to it all. Nothing would surprise me.

And Geno Smith is #11 (not that I put any stock into these things before The Combines) but it seems like most people here are fine with taking the #11 talent at #1 overall.

I wonder if the Chiefs will feel the same and that's the point of my comments.

Why are we worried about players like Hali and DJ? I would rather win for the next 15 than give a shit about their careers.

A Qb with a point value of say 90 is more valuable than any other position with a 95+ score just remember that.
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I am not a huge Geno Smith fanboi but if he is the top-rated QB before the draft you take him. It is that simple.

By the time the draft rolls around, there will likely be THREE QBs rated higher than 11. It's the nature of the modern game.

And the LB who is now getting off his ass after getting run over, literally, is in the top 5.

Thus, take the position of greatest need and greatest upside to the organization.

Ultimately, I'll be very surprised if this isn't the approach, since no one else in the draft demands a different one.

Drew Brees?

Considering Hali's age and contract I don't think he's long for this team anyhow.
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And Brady was a 6th. You know how this works. Play the numbers.

good point mecca

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That same head coach, when asked about the QB situation in KC, said "they have the first pick in the draft".

Honestly, what do you expect them to say when he HASN'T EVEN STARTED YET? Does anybody expect him to say in his introductory presser "we are gonna take a QB #1 overall"?

WAY too much is being read into it, IMO.

If the 10 players listed in front of him are Jeockel, Werner, Jones, Te'o, Milliner, Moore, Mingo, Matthiews, Lotulelei and Lewan, then yes, I'd be completely fine with taking the #11 talent. Most valuable position (by far), team's greatest need (by far), greatest potential long term benefit. It's a no-brainer to me.

The stars have aligned.

Ohhhhhh there is one where he goes two.

It was up in the header on the mock data base yesterday
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