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BossChief 10-27-2012 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9054757)
i like barkley, but have been a bit underwhelmed this year

and while i agree with the ryan comp, Ryan was doing it with no nfl quality skill players, and was more savy, imo...i generally don't like discounting guys for being on good teams, but marqise lee is just ****ing comically good....

barkley seems to miss some easy throws regularly...and he had an open wr on the second to last play and overthrew him...

Yeah, isee that too...but I watch a metric ton of football and see guys get overthrown by every qb including Rodgers Brady and Brees.

The Barkley overthrow in the third quarter (when the cb fell down) was inexcusable, though. Gotta hit that one.

I'd still be on top of the world if we got any of the top 3 and Bray might be worth a look, too.

Nightfyre 10-27-2012 05:58 PM

If we draft a QB in the first round, I will definitely support that QB for the next 3-4 years. That said, I definitely have a preference. Oh and **** Bray.

the Talking Can 10-27-2012 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9054785)
Yeah, isee that too...but I watch a metric ton of football and see guys get overthrown by every qb including Rodgers Brady and Brees.

The Barkley overthrow in the third quarter (when the cb fell down) was inexcusable, though. Gotta hit that one.

I'd still be on top of the world if we got any of the top 3 and Bray might be worth a look, too.

yeah, i'd still draft him...just need to be clear on what you're getting so you can scheme appropriately

i hadn't been impressed by bray until today...he looked legit, with a big arm...better than barkley, but a much smaller sample

RunKC 10-27-2012 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9054782)
Smith, Barkley, and Wilson are all possible franchise QBs available to us this draft you ****ing moron

None of these guys look special right now. Not one of them. They have all looked like shit the past few weeks.

Mr. Laz 10-27-2012 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9054714)
Yup

Patience
Mobility
Vision
Accuracy
Touch

I don't know why some here don't like Barkley...I bet the same posters didn't want Matt Ryan, either.

don't hate Barkley but just not wowed by him either.

arm strength - ok but he doesn't exactly have natural zip on his throws either
release - isn't slow but it's not a 'quick flick' either
ability to find a way to win - not really
History of USC QB - tend to be soft


I just think you should want more if you take a QB top 8

I wasn't "wowed" by Aaron Rodgers or Sam Bradford either so it doesn't mean they can't/won't succeed. :shrug:

Titty Meat 10-27-2012 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9054785)
Yeah, isee that too...but I watch a metric ton of football and see guys get overthrown by every qb including Rodgers Brady and Brees.

The Barkley overthrow in the third quarter (when the cb fell down) was inexcusable, though. Gotta hit that one.

I'd still be on top of the world if we got any of the top 3 and Bray might be worth a look, too.

I agree that missed throw was awful and costed them the game. The guy made some other great throws though. I really don't know this is frustrating reminds me of asking a hawt chick to prom except you have your pick of 5. Of course we'll get the one with STD's.

htismaqe 10-27-2012 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9054714)
Yup

Patience
Mobility
Vision
Accuracy
Touch

I don't know why some here don't like Barkley...I bet the same posters didn't want Matt Ryan, either.

I didn't.

And in defense of myself, he hasn't exactly proven me wrong yet.

Surrounded by all-world talent, they were a run-heavy offense to protect him until this year.

And his playoff performances have been thoroughly underwhelming.

Ryan looks GREAT this year but still has plenty to prove.

htismaqe 10-27-2012 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 9054794)
don't hate Barkley but just not wowed by him either.

arm strength - ok but he doesn't exactly have natural zip on his throws either
release - isn't slow but it's not a 'quick flick' either
ability to find a way to win - not really
History of USC QB - tend to be soft


I just think you should want more if you take a QB top 8

I wasn't "wowed" by Aaron Rodgers or Sam Bradford either so it doesn't mean they can't/won't succeed. :shrug:

THIS. Totally.

RealSNR 10-27-2012 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9054790)
None of these guys look special right now. Not one of them. They have all looked like shit the past few weeks.

A bad class involves a group of QBs who all have serious red flags.

2010 was a bad class. So was 2011, and if it weren't for Stafford in 2009, then THAT would be a bad class as well.

2013 WON'T be a bad class. The talent is there among all three of the top guys. Quit bitching and be excited that we're going to take one of them.

BigMeatballDave 10-27-2012 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9054787)
Oh and **** Bray.

I said the same thing until today.

He's a Jr. I think he stays another season anyway.

the Talking Can 10-27-2012 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 9054794)

I wasn't "wowed" by Aaron Rodgers or Sam Bradford either so it doesn't mean they can't/won't succeed. :shrug:

and that's just it, there is always something we're not seeing...that's why you have to pull the trigger and see what happens

hopefully, you have someone in the organization who believes in a guy...and hell, maybe you just get lucky...but you can't get lucky without trying

i thought dalton sucked ass, and he's started from day 1 with no running game...

and with the new salary structure, it doesn't matter if you think a guy isn't 'top 10'...if you think he's the guy, just take him

Ace Gunner 10-27-2012 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9054782)
Smith, Barkley, and Wilson are all possible franchise QBs available to us this draft you ****ing moron

ya. sure.

None of these QB's are elite. I'll roll with Smith, Jones... Cleveland is gonna take Barkley and I'm gonna laugh at you as he turns to stone.

DaneMcCloud 10-27-2012 06:14 PM

Barkley will be a good NFL QB if he's drafted by a West Coast offense team. I think he'd struggle in just about every other system.

DaneMcCloud 10-27-2012 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Lou_Zare (Post 9054820)
ya. sure.

None of these QB's are elite. I'll roll with Smith, Jones... Cleveland is gonna take Barkley and I'm gonna laugh at you as he turns to stone.

LMAO

Ace Gunner 10-27-2012 06:17 PM

Pioli had a chance at an elite QB in RG3 and well.... bye. Prozac for everyone though cuz SNR says so!

BigMeatballDave 10-27-2012 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lou_Zare (Post 9054820)

.. Cleveland is gonna take Barkley

I don't think so. Weeden has been playing well. His WRs can't catch shit.

milkman 10-27-2012 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9054832)
I don't think so. Weeden has been playing well. His WRs can't catch shit.

The Browns are going to start out fresh, with all new front office and coaching staff.

Would not be surprising to see them take a QB, since the new regime won't have nay ties to Weedon.

Ace Gunner 10-27-2012 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 9054794)
don't hate Barkley but just not wowed by him either.

arm strength - ok but he doesn't exactly have natural zip on his throws either
release - isn't slow but it's not a 'quick flick' either
ability to find a way to win - not really
History of USC QB - tend to be soft


I just think you should want more if you take a QB top 8

I wasn't "wowed" by Aaron Rodgers or Sam Bradford either so it doesn't mean they can't/won't succeed. :shrug:

I was not impressed with Sam Bradford until his senior season.

Aaron Rodgers had gobs of raw talent, a HUGE arm.

AussieChiefsFan 10-27-2012 06:23 PM

I'm still for geno

Mr. Laz 10-27-2012 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare (Post 9054830)
Pioli had a chance at an elite QB in RG3 and well.... bye. Prozac for everyone though cuz SNR says so!

bullshit ... Washington gave up three 1st rd picks, a 2nd and we were 5 picks lower. It would of taken significantly more in trade to get there. i doubt St. Louis would of even traded with us over washington considering how much washington gave them.

five 1st round picks? :spock:

Ace Gunner 10-27-2012 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9054832)
I don't think so. Weeden has been playing well. His WRs can't catch shit.

Ya, I agree with mlkman. They will need a young QB either way.

BossChief 10-27-2012 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9054800)
A bad class involves a group of QBs who all have serious red flags.

2010 was a bad class. So was 2011, and if it weren't for Stafford in 2009, then THAT would be a bad class as well.

2013 WON'T be a bad class. The talent is there among all three of the top guys. Quit bitching and be excited that we're going to take one of them.

I think some of these posters have something similar to "stage fright"

This class has AT LEAST 3 first round talents and it could be as high as 7 if a couple underclassmen declare.

Smith
Barkley
Boyd
Wilson
Jones
Bray
Murray

If this class isn't good enough, not sure what to tell people with that opinion.

Is the class offer multiple "decade talents" as last year did? Not really, but it's better than most qb classes.

Jmo

BigMeatballDave 10-27-2012 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare (Post 9054820)
ya. sure.

None of these QB's are elite. I'll roll with Smith, Jones... .

Jones? :spock:

Are you high?

Ace Gunner 10-27-2012 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 9054843)
bullshit ... Washington gave up 3 1st rd picks and a 2nd and we were 5 picks further down. It would of taken significantly more in trade to get there, I doubt St. Louis would of even traded with us over washington.

five 1st round picks? :spock:

Dwayne Bowe changes the equation.

ChiefsCountry 10-27-2012 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare (Post 9054841)
I was not impressed with Sam Bradford until his senior season.

Aaron Rodgers had gobs of raw talent, a HUGE arm.

Since he played one game his last season at Oklahoma real impressive.
Posted via Mobile Device

BossChief 10-27-2012 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare (Post 9054841)
I was not impressed with Sam Bradford until his senior season.

Aaron Rodgers had gobs of raw talent, a HUGE arm.

tell us all what you liked about Bradfords senior season, dumbass.

ShowtimeSBMVP 10-27-2012 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 9054843)
bullshit ... Washington gave up three 1st rd picks, a 2nd and we were 5 picks lower. It would of taken significantly more in trade to get there. i doubt St. Louis would of even traded with us over washington considering how much washington gave them.

five 1st round picks? :spock:

Washington traded 2 first round picks 2013 and 2014. In 2012 they just traded places.

Titty Meat 10-27-2012 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9054861)
tell us all what you liked about Bradfords senior season, dumbass.

LOL! I'm not expert nor do I claim to be but some of these takes on QB's on here are HILARIOUS.

Ace Gunner 10-27-2012 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9054848)
Jones? :spock:

Are you high?

He's got the arm I like. They should be able to get him top of the 2nd and get say, WR Allen (Cal) with the 1st rnd pick.

Ace Gunner 10-27-2012 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9054858)
Since he played one game his last season at Oklahoma real impressive.
Posted via Mobile Device

whoops. meant his junior season.

Ace Gunner 10-27-2012 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9054861)
tell us all what you liked about Bradfords senior season, dumbass.

you have become such an ass I really don't care what you write.

Mr. Laz 10-27-2012 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9054863)
Washington traded 2 first round picks 2013 and 2014. In 2012 they just traded places.

you can't just dismiss the washington 1st rd draft pick this year as a "swap" because it has more value than our 1st round pick.

st. louis gave up - 1st rd pick (2012, #2 pick)

Washington gave up - 1st rd pick (2012, #6 pick), 2nd rd pick (2012, #39 pick), 1st rd pick (2013),1st rd pick (2014)


We had the #11 pick in the first round so we couldn't just "swap" picks with st. louis and have it be the same as washington. It would of probably taken another 1st round pick, maybe more. EVEN IF the rams would of wanted to trade down that far ... which i doubt they did.

BossChief 10-27-2012 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare (Post 9054893)
you have become such an ass I really don't care what you write.

If you say something dumb like you did, expect it to be pointed out.

Sam Bradford missed almost his whole last year due to injury.

BossChief 10-27-2012 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 9054908)
you can't just dismiss the washington 1st rd draft pick this year as a "swap" because it has more value than our 1st round pick.

st. louis gave up - 1st rd pick (2012, #2 pick)

Washington gave up - 1st rd pick (2012, #6 pick), 2nd rd pick (2012, #39 pick), 1st rd pick (2013),1st rd pick (2014)


We had the #11 pick in the first round so we couldn't just "swap" picks with st. louis and have it be the same as washington. It would of probably taken another 1st round pick, maybe more. EVEN IF the rams would of wanted to trade down that far ... which i doubt they did.

Exactly. There was no chance at RG3.

Mr_Tomahawk 10-27-2012 07:16 PM

noodle arm

Shox 10-27-2012 07:16 PM

Not another backup USC qb....no no no no!!!!

Titty Meat 10-27-2012 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9054959)
noodle arm

You either haven't watched him play or don't know what a noodle arm is.

Mr_Tomahawk 10-27-2012 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9054988)
You either haven't watched him play or don't know what a noodle arm is.

His arm is average...at best.

Noodle arm in my book.

Mr_Tomahawk 10-27-2012 07:30 PM

where are all the youtube clips showing his awesome arm strength?

Everything he throws is 10-15 yards. Anything over that probably has too much air under it or is a nice catch rather than a nice throw.

Dink...dunk....pass...

RealSNR 10-27-2012 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare (Post 9054830)
Pioli had a chance at an elite QB in RG3 and well.... bye. Prozac for everyone though cuz SNR says so!

That has ****ing nothing to do with how good the 2013 class is you dumb ****ing shit eater

RealSNR 10-27-2012 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare (Post 9054820)
ya. sure.

None of these QB's are elite. I'll roll with Smith, Jones... Cleveland is gonna take Barkley and I'm gonna laugh at you as he turns to stone.

He might bust, yes. Andrew Luck also might ****ing bust.

Why do you post here? You don't ****ing know anything about football

Titty Meat 10-27-2012 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9055008)
where are all the youtube clips showing his awesome arm strength?

Everything he throws is 10-15 yards. Anything over that probably has too much air under it or is a nice catch rather than a nice throw.

Dink...dunk....pass...

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/2dQMmoEZFnM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

:59 20+ yard throw great touch

1:28

Lot's of dinkin' and dunkin' right there!

Mr_Tomahawk 10-27-2012 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9055039)

:59 20+ yard throw great touch

1:28

Lot's of dinkin' and dunkin' right there!

The one-handed catch and the throw where the receiver had to slow down...?

Titty Meat 10-27-2012 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9055045)
The one-handed catch and the throw where the receiver had to slow down...?

You're trollin dawg.

Mr_Tomahawk 10-27-2012 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9055059)
You're trollin dawg.

Nope.

He has an average arm at best. You deny it. All of his scouting reports state his arm is subpar. I have posted articles on it.

He has an average NFL arm...at best.

suds79 10-27-2012 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9055063)
Nope.

He has an average arm at best. You deny it. All of his scouting reports state his arm is subpar. I have posted articles on it.

He has an average NFL arm...at best.

Yep. Bo your best bet is to argue that arm strength is overrated. Because any type of argument that says his arm isnt average is foolish.

rico 10-27-2012 07:59 PM

1:28...nice.

Since the conclusion of last season, I was very interested to see how Barkley would perform with an OL that does not include Matt Kalil. His performance this year is pretty much what I expected.... meh, but I wouldn't be heart broken if we took him in the 1st.

BigMeatballDave 10-27-2012 08:01 PM

Definitely an average arm.

Nothing special.

Like someone already said, but him in a WCO and he might be pretty good.

Titty Meat 10-27-2012 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suds79 (Post 9055079)
Yep. Bo your best bet is to argue that arm strength is overrated. Because any type of argument that says his arm isnt average is foolish.

Where did I say his arm was above average at?

Mr_Tomahawk 10-27-2012 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9055087)
Where did I say his arm was above average at?

He is a noodle arm.

Titty Meat 10-27-2012 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9055063)
Nope.

He has an average arm at best. You deny it. All of his scouting reports state his arm is subpar. I have posted articles on it.

He has an average NFL arm...at best.

Aren't you the guy who posted a Bleacher Report that said he wasn't a first round pick? ROFL

BigMeatballDave 10-27-2012 08:03 PM

Even Matt Cassel can throw it 60 yards.

Mr_Tomahawk 10-27-2012 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9055090)
Aren't you the guy who posted a Bleacher Report that said he wasn't a first round pick? ROFL

Maybe...what does that have to do with his arm strength?

BTW...I didn't write the article.

Mr_Tomahawk 10-27-2012 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9055092)
Even Matt Cassel can throw it 60 yards.

They are both noodle arms. Barkley is just an accurate noodle arm.

tredadda 10-27-2012 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9054800)
A bad class involves a group of QBs who all have serious red flags.

2010 was a bad class. So was 2011, and if it weren't for Stafford in 2009, then THAT would be a bad class as well.

2013 WON'T be a bad class. The talent is there among all three of the top guys. Quit bitching and be excited that we're going to take one of them.

I think it is the letdown of knowing no one in this class is near the caliber of Luck or RGIII. But overall this class is not overwhelming, but is by no means underwhelming either.

Ace Gunner 10-27-2012 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9055015)
He might bust, yes. Andrew Luck also might ****ing bust.

Why do you post here? You don't ****ing know anything about football

Luck might bust? What a fool ROFL

RealSNR 10-27-2012 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare (Post 9055147)
Luck might bust? What a fool ROFL

You're the one who thinks you're intellectually superior just by shitting on any QB that isn't Andrew Luck.

ALL QBs have the chance to bust. Smith, Barkley, and Wilson might bust. Andrew Luck might also bust. It's still a chance and an investment at the position no matter who comes out. So why fear the risk at all? Embrace it. Turn over every stone to find one.

The day you say something substantial or worthwhile on this forum will be the first time.

BigMeatballDave 10-27-2012 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9055278)
You're the one who thinks you're intellectually superior just by shitting on any QB that isn't Andrew Luck.

ALL QBs have the chance to bust. Smith, Barkley, and Wilson might bust. Andrew Luck might also bust. It's still a chance and an investment at the position no matter who comes out. So why fear the risk at all? Embrace it. Turn over every stone to find one.

The day you say something substantial or worthwhile on this forum will be the first time.

The only way Luck busts is due to injury. There is just WAY too much talent there.

RealSNR 10-27-2012 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9055410)
The only way Luck busts is due to injury. There is just WAY too much talent there.

And that's still a chance you take.

For ****'s sake, this dipshit chiefsfootballfan is making me look like a goddamn true fan. The point is, JUST DRAFT A ****ING QB AND CHEER THE **** UP

ShowtimeSBMVP 11-03-2012 04:01 PM

Big game for Barkley in a hour.

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Mr_Tomahawk 11-03-2012 04:03 PM

Possible future Chiefs QB vs possible Chiefs future HC.

TimeForWasp 11-03-2012 05:15 PM

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Just finished doing a C check on Oregon Ducks airplane.

ShowtimeSBMVP 11-03-2012 05:19 PM

Barkley with a hell of a throw and WR drops a TD

Titty Meat 11-03-2012 05:39 PM

Barkley throwing some great balls

Three7s 11-03-2012 05:57 PM

I'm not the biggest Barkley supporter, but that was a heck of a throw.

Titty Meat 11-03-2012 05:58 PM

Smith or Barkley might be a hell of a off season debate.

Mr_Tomahawk 11-03-2012 06:07 PM

Can someone GIF that 75 yard TD. I must see.

Unsmooth-Moment 11-03-2012 06:09 PM

He was pretty wide open and it was a tad underthrown.. Good throw though.

Sorter 11-03-2012 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Unsmooth-Moment (Post 9080517)
He was pretty wide open and it was a tad underthrown...

http://www.geekquality.com/blog/wp-c.../Watch-out.jpg

ArrowheadMagic 11-03-2012 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9054858)
Since he played one game his last season at Oklahoma real impressive.
Posted via Mobile Device

Parts of 2 bruh...Parts of 2.

RealSNR 11-03-2012 06:18 PM

Helluva play there

chiefs1111 11-03-2012 06:19 PM

great play there

Titty Meat 11-03-2012 06:21 PM

Noodle arm statue

Unsmooth-Moment 11-03-2012 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9080522)

Umm, sure.

ChiefRocka 11-03-2012 06:23 PM

So sad we are scouting half way through the season but this IS the year. I'm leaning towards a seasoned MB over Geno at this point.

Sorter 11-03-2012 06:23 PM

This is the Barkley I was expecting to see this season.

Sorter 11-03-2012 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefRocka (Post 9080567)
So sad we are scouting half way through the season but this IS the year. I'm leaning towards a seasoned MB over Geno at this point.

If we get Barkley, I want a WCO. It will cut his learning curve and play to his strengths. That did wonders for Tannehill this year.

PunkinDrublic 11-03-2012 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefRocka (Post 9080567)
So sad we are scouting half way through the season but this IS the year. I'm leaning towards a seasoned MB over Geno at this point.

This.

Sorter 11-03-2012 06:26 PM

LOL

ChiefRocka 11-03-2012 06:27 PM

Now I'm leaning towards Geno. :P


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