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Guys...I'm not trolling...if you only knew. QB drafts like last year only come along every 10-15 years...I expect the Chiefs to select the #1 overall athlete/player. I don't care who it is...but from all the reports I've seen and read it's NOT Geno Smith...you can say he's the best QB of this years draft but I don't think he's the best football player. History has shown you can find a great QB in the later rounds i.e. Tom Brady/Aaron Rogers...it's matter of coaching and I think we have one of the best in the business now...
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And name me one college football player in this draft that had as good a season or career as Geno Smith has had as three years as a starter. At any position. The only guy who is close is Jarvis Jones, and he's not close. |
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The true fan mantra applied to the draft. Play not to lose. |
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I said that the only guy in this draft that has produced as much as Smith, regardless of what position they play, is Jarvis Jones. And comparably, he doesn't come close to what Smith gave you for the 2012 or his career. And I'd like your opinion on Geno's win loss record. He never had a losing season in three years as a starter. 29-13 career. Is that acceptable? You made a point of it earlier. |
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And to your next post, there is no such thing as a sure thing, not even Luck. There are only levels of risk. |
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:p The Patriots back then were awful. It's crazy that they pushed out Plunkett for Grogan, and I liked Grogan. |
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Who cares if half the league over-thinks players? There was absolutely no chance that Peyton Manning would bust. Leaf had scary psych evaluations that Beathard ignored because his ass was on the line. |
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Geno IS the BPA IMO, so **** off True fans
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IS NO SUCH THING AS A SURE THING IN THE NFL DRAFT YOU DAFT MONKEY DIPSHIT |
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elway I can't attest to--I was less than four months old. manning was such a sure-thing that OVER HALF OF THE NFL GMS WOULD HAVE PICKED RYAN LEAF OVER HIM eli and andrew luck were both GOOD coming out, but certainly not 'sure things.' as close as you can get, but NOT sure things. |
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look, dane, I love you like the grandson I never had... but you're applying HINDSIGHT to your views on these QBs. WITHOUT THE AIDE OF HINDSIGHT, we could NEVER know that peyton manning wouldn't be going to a spot where his coach is a psycho and ****s his development up. shit could have happened. he could've fallen and bumped his head. he could've gotten multiple concussions. hell, he could've gotten AIDS from all the ****ing around he apparently does. THERE IS NEVER ANYTHING THAT IS 100% UNTIL AFTER THE FACT. |
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I mean... go look up what mel kiper and ALL OF THE REST OF THE PUNDITS were saying about him. HE WAS THE NEXT JOHN ELWAY. if that's not a sure thing, I really don't know what is. if you're going to use hindsight, use it evenly-- jamarcus russell was as well-thought of as ANY QB coming out not named luck or manning. where is he right now? good question--he's trying to lose weight so some team won't try him at ****ing left tackle |
Whomever Todd McShay says we will get, we will get. He is the one that knows what he is talking about. I think he has us penned for Jarvis Jones.
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Draft Geno to play both ways, as a left tackle and a hybrid DE/LB pass rush specialist. If that doesn't work out in the first 48 hours or so, shift him to quarterback and see if that position suits him better. Everybody's happy.
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yeah--there was 99% of a chance they weren't going to bust... but in NO world is that EVER 100%. shit happens, man. do we consider percy snow a bust? he was a HELL of a linebacker in college... but, never reached his potential (due to a freak injury, but... SHIT HAPPENS). hindsight is a bitch, and you remove all doubt when you look at this through that lens. however, DURING AND BEFORE THE DRAFT, hindsight is NOT available. how does this apply to geno smith? WE CAN'T LOOK BACK IN HINDSIGHT BECAUSE WE AREN'T IN THE ****ING FUTURE. take-home message? feel free to say that those guys were CAN'T MISS until you're blue in the face. I'll just sit back here and giggle at the fact that you don't realize the logical fallacy you're falling victim to. |
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I was a teenager in 1983, had been to countless Chiefs games and hell, even watched the USFL! There was no one like John Elway before or pretty much since. Note I didn't mention Steve Young, even though he signed a $42 million dollar contract with the Los Angeles Express. He was definitely a work in progress unlike Elway, who willed his team to three Super Bowls and won his final two. Anyone that doubted Manning was an idiot. Anyone that followed him closely knew of and likely watched his father, an amazing QB that played in an era before free agency. Same with Luck. His father was an NFL QB, successful businessman and groomed his son to be an NFL QB, who played like an NFL QB at Stanford. Sometimes, guys ARE sure things. Quote:
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It's not a fallacy, it's a fact. Now, maybe not everyone in the NFL or who watches the NFL felt that Elway, Manning and Luck were "Can't Miss" or "Sure Thing" players, but there was certainly a consensus about each of those guys that they WERE can't miss players. Anyone who thought otherwise was ****ing stupid. |
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I know you're on the same page as us when it comes to a QB, but in your attempt to talk football, you're inadvertently giving credence to the fallacious "BPA in a vacuum" theory. That's a bad argument is all I'm trying to say. It seems like some skepticism should be taken when analyzing the Chiefs picking Geno, but there really is none to be applied. He is THE ONLY pick that makes sense. I'm sorry you can't see that. |
let's look at other can't miss guys that come to mind:
reggie bush tony mandarich robert gallery charles rodgers heath shuler rick mirer tim couch bruce pickens rich campbell (green bay packers) david carr hell... you can throw aundray bruce on that list ALL OF THOSE GUYS were considered can't miss at the time they were drafted. ALL.OF.THEM. can't miss guys miss ALL THE GODDAMNED TIME |
Remember when we drafted Glenn Dorsey? Everybody said he was a sure thing.
Robert Gallery was also a sure thing. Tony Mandarich Keyshawn Johnson Non-QBs who are considered "sure things" at the very top of the draft bust out ALL THE GODDAMN TIME. Why is Luke Joeckel any different? He shouldn't be treated any differently. He's NOT a sure thing. So how about we just take the QB? |
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But, but, but he's a safe pick that helps maximize value or some other mumbo jumbo bullshit excuse to not take a QB.
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Hey guys remember when we took Tyson Jackson at #3 overall because the media claimed Pioli wanted the "safe" pick over the "risky" QB Mark Sanchez?
How well did that "safe" pick work out for us? |
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48th ranked 3-4 end out of 50 ROFL Imagine if we had taken a "risk" on another guy.
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We just took a safe route 4 years ago that resulted in a "QB with sum xperience" and a low floor guy being two of the worst players at their respected positions and people STILL can't fathom spending a 1st on a QB. Wow...just wow.
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I said it the day he was drafted and it's still true: Tyson Jackson was the WORST draft selection in franchise history and set this team back by five years. No hindsight needed. |
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Why do Piolis and Casserlys and all those dumbasses advise that teams make those kinds of picks? Because they're ****ing pussies, that's why. Playing scared in the draft will get you beat. Each and every time. |
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vis-a-vis... not bullshit in the least. can't miss. did miss. suck it, trebek. :) |
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:D (And Jeff Ireland should have joined them this off-season). |
Dane, your discussion of Manning and how he was viewed is not how it was.
There were a number of questions, most notably, whether he had the requsite arm strength to make all the throwzs because he had a tendency to float the deep outs at Tennesee, and whether he had potential to grow or had he reached his ceiling?. Bill Polian has talked about he and his scouts struggled with those questins, and the fact that Leaf had superior physical skills and measureables made the decision a last minute one when the draft rolled around. Plunket and Elway were as close to sure things at QB that have been drafted in the last 40 years prior to Luck. One was a disappointment. |
Mark Sanchez is another example of these "sure things" at QB
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Steele Jantz to play safety.
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THIS IS NOT A GENO SMITH THREAD. THERE IS A HUNDRED OF THEM IN THIS FORUM. GO TO THEM FOR THIS SHIT! THIS IS ABOUT THE OTHER NAMES MOST OFTEN MENTIONED AND A SCENARIO NONE OF US HAVE A SAY IN. GROW UP!!!! ALL I WANT IS TO GET AN IDEA FOR WHO THE MAJORITY OF YOU MIGHT PREFER IF THE CHIEFS (GOD FORBID) DO NOT PICK GENO SMITH AT THE TOP OF THE DRAFT AND IF SOME OF YOU SURVIVE THE CORONARY IF THEY DON'T! I REPEAT: THIS IS NOT A GENO SMITH THREAD. JUST VOTE IN THE POLL OR SHUT THE **** UP ALREADY! |
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hell, this reminds me a LOT of beyonce's publicist coming out and telling the internet to leave her picture alone. kinda sad, but it's not outside of the realm.
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There is no QB who really stands out in this class. Even some of the 2nd round guys have important characteristics that Geno doesn't.
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List them. Oh, and while we are talking about your stupidity, your signature is a lie. I never said either of those two things. And I think Geno is a better passer than Griffin, not as good - better. |
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And I would like to see who you'd take Geno over since you said he's one of the best prospects in the last 10 years. |
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Jesus Christ... Okay, what qualities does Nassib have that puts him over the top of Geno? |
DON'T PISS FRANKIE OFF! KEEP THIS GENO SMITH SHIT OUT OF HERE BECAUSE HE SAID SO!!!!!!!
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Frankie, your thread went 200+ posts before it turned into a Geno thread. What more do you really want?
There's only so much we can talk about in DIRECT REFERENCE to not drafting a QB before we start talking about drafting a QB. Go gently, man. It's not a big deal. |
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Edit: He also has a very good play fake and does the 3,5,7 step drop really well. Also has very good learning ability and a very good football IQ |
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I think he's that good with that much of a ceiling. His ability to hit guys in stride deep while being covered is insane. I've never seen a guy do it with the regularity that Geno has done in his college career. As well, he's got an uncanny pocket presence and his release is damn near perfect. Add to that, he's a noted film room junkie. Yeah, I think he's that good. I think he's got all the tools to be elite at the next level and with the hiring of Reid and having a running back like Charles and a young, talented offensive line, he's going to be put into a position to be successful sooner rather than later. It's the perfect storm so to speak and the Cheifs finally have the chance at a guy who has the ceiling and potential. And everyone around here knows I'm a trenches type of guy. I don't get overly excited about QB's because most really aren't that good. I don't want them taking a QB just to take a QB. But Geno is different. |
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