1. ROFL :LOL:

2. I thought you had inside information and are not just speculating?

3. This is not a shitty draft.

Or, what SNR just said.

I promise a few people would've said that about Alex Smith as well

That's a very elaborate way to comment on something you didn't know was being talked about unless you saw his comment before hand, but your comment after this suggests you didn't read SNR's comment until after this quoted post, thus proving my point, I was never on your super ignore :P

I do have inside information on what we're doing, from time to to time. it isn't by the minute, and it doesn't encompass everything.

As far as the draft goes, we've had 3 teams call in interest to a draft day trade, and we've also narrowed our selection down to 5 guys, not 4 as reported by the press.

As for the draft, it IS a shitty draft for QB's and pass rushers, as just discussed. LMAO


SOLID draft for offensive linemen though!

Bullshit.

I didn't read it, because I didn't see it until I unblocked you. He quoted you, making it blocked.

But yeah, you were on it. But this thread is just too good for you to stay on it. It's like a car crash.

Geno has more talent than most of the QBs Reid has worked with in his tenure, if he can get as much production out of him as Reid did with Garcia, Feeley, or Kolb, our QB troubles are done for awhile. And he doesn't need to start right away, like every single Geno supporter has said on here, you sit him until he gets it or Alex is done.

Direckshun is the only interesting person I know.


More disturbing than his drug use,though, is the fact that he's engaged to SNR, the biggest dufus in the business.

You're so ****ing full of shit it's pathetic. No one is mocking Geno Smith out of the 2nd round. Maybe some dumbass that blogs it living in his mothers basement.

So it's 5 guys, not 4 reported by teh press and John Dorsey?

You know, I could just say "Tom Brady" here, and prove your argument invalid, but instead, I'll just say Kaepernick, just to irritate you.

Every thread I'm in is too good to ignore me in. Either I'm dead serious making solid points that idiots can't avoid arguing with, gravitating them to me like a magnet of awesomeness, OR, I'm too busy trolling those with giant egos thinking they are super smart and ahead of the rest in their knowledge of football, so that I attempt to bring them down a bit.

I'm never not entertaining.

In this case though, the point is true.

We dont' need to draft a QB in the first round of this draft with the #1 overall pick to be successful, we traded two #2's for a QB "in his prime" based on physical abilities and general QB "primes", who was a former #1. And in a draft where our current #1, would net us a #3 QB, competing for the job of #3 with a former #5 who would be a #1 this year had he been in the draft.

That's how bad this draft is.

Geno is not better than Garcia, Kolb, or McNabb.

next argument.

Really? Isn't there a post here on the first page with him mocked out of the 1st round.
Yes, 5 guys, updated after the presser.

That was already addressed. Go back and try again

Even if, by chance, some team does have Geno on their board in the 2nd round, that's not "career backup" territory. He'd need to be in the Ricky Stanzi round (5) or lower for that.

And if this is a strong draft for tackles, that's a great reason to move out of 1 if you can, because you can find tackles later in the draft who aren't all that much of a drop off from the ones projected in the top 10. Although I wouldn't call it a 'strong' tackle class. I'd call it a 'deep' tackle class. It's, much like the draft as a whole, a class that doesn't really have any true blue chippers. Joeckel's a mid-late first in a stronger class. Fisher's probably still ahead of him, but borderline top 10-15. This is not a special tackle group in any sense.

(Which doesn't help our efforts to trade down)

So Dorsey is a liar I guess?

What is Geno not as good in compared to Garcia or Kolb? I never mentioned Mcnabb.

I don't get it..

Superbowl QB's since 2003:

Tom Brady
Jake Delhomme
Donovan McNabb
Ben Roethlisberger
Matt Hasselbeck
Peyton Manning
Rex Grossman
Eli Manning
Kurt Warner
Drew Brees
Aaron Rodgers
Joe Flacco
Colin Kaepernick

Superbowl QB's since 2003 that were drafted in the first round:

Rex Grossman
Donovan McNabb
Ben Roethlisberger
Eli Manning
Peyton Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Joe Flacco
A case could be made for Drew Brees even being the first pick in the second round.

7/13 were first round picks, over half, and if you count Drew Brees you get 8/13. You can say what you want about if you think Geno isn't the guy we should take, but taking one of the best QB's in a draft has worked the majority of the time the last 10 years. Also Tom Brady has played in 4 of those Superbowls where he beat Peyton and Rivers many a times so you could've almost added Rivers to that list of first rounders as well.

If the new regime thinks G. Smith is that guy, by all means, they should take him. If they don't, they shouldn't.

He's no Luck, sure. I don't think we will have a chance to pick a Luck for a while/if ever. IMO, Geno isn't as good as some on here bill him to be, nor is he as bad as some bill him to be.

Read again.

Reread your own ****ing post dickbag.

More importantly, look at the disparity of the non first round QBs.

Tom Brady- 6th round
Jake Delhomme- undrafted
Matt Hasselbeck- 6th round
Kurt Warner- undrafted
Colin Kaepernick- 2nd round

That shit's all over the place. Yes, you CAN find late round gems, but that doesn't mean you should bank on it as a legitimate strategy for finding the right QB.

The error (that JustPassinBy and Excretor keep missing) is you can't just say, "Look at all these QBs who didn't get drafted in the first round who went to the Super Bowl! That's almost as many as the first round QBs!" They don't look at the percentages or take into account that SIX rounds (seven if you count undrafted guys) of QBs were combined to get a number that is fewer than just the one round.

Just because Brady and Warner happened doesn't mean the Chiefs can do it. If they do, then great. In the meantime, they should start looking for QBs in the first round, which is OVERWHELMINGLY the round to find your starter and franchise guy.

I'd be LMAO if kc took geno #1.

And when you hit it, you hit it BIG. Roethlisberger was in multiple Superbowls, so were both Mannings, Aaron Rodgers will get to another one or two before that is all said and done, every draft pick is a risk but the risk at Quarterback will ALWAYS yield the sweeter reward.

Good Lord. Who crushed Exoter with the three pound stupid bat?

Can I get a reerun count of people who still think the chiefs will take geno?

That's it in a nutshell.

I've never bought this, even when his name was all the hot shit. Maybe I'm just in denial.

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You're so ignorant sometimes.
If Stanzi were in this draft, he'd be a first round selection, that's how bad this draft is for QB's, they are all career backup caliber, but a few will likely become starters for a few years at some point, while teams wait on the next crop of QB's. Just like how Blaine Gabbert's situation sits. The guy blows donkey dick, yet he's a starter.

Believe it or not, teams, coaches, talent evaluators, etc. can change their minds. They can, you know, setup meetings with players (like Geno) after they announce they've narrowed it down.

Its all a rouse to drive trade pricing and trade requests anyhow.

Truthfully, we won't know until he plays. But you can't sit here and say Geno NOW, is as good as Garcia ever was, or is better than Kolb (now). As for McNabb, you can't bring up Eagles QB's that Reid has coached, and NOT talk about McNabb. That's just dumb.

You don't get to count Brees, and 7 out of 13 is 1 away from LESS than half.

So while you might to try qualify your argument's verbage to make it sound like that is a lot, in a statistical sense, its almost as likely that you'll win a super bowl with a QB not picked in the first round.


I stand 110% behind what the new Regime does, but I KNOW the knew Regime will NOT be picking Geno Smith.

It simply will not happen, period, end of story.

So I'm trying to help these idiots along who think that Geno will be our pick at the 1.1 understand the impossibility of Geno being selected.

Why?

Why?

Nobody, you kidding me?
Well in the hundreds on this forum.

"You're the ignorant one" he says LMAO

The basic premise of Ignorant, is to Ignore.

Its safe to say that I don't ignore a single fact, I work through them logically until a solution is given. That's how speculation works.

Believe it or not, you don't have to throw shit at a wall to see if it sticks. :thumb:

There's no speculation involved at all right now. You're ADDING speculation to something that shouldn't be so ****ing complicated.

JustPassinBy posted something stupid. You liked it. I said it was dumb, you said "Prove it." I did. And then you posted entire novels of bullshit that doesn't matter or disprove my claim.

I don't want to go to some random website to view an image, learn how to post images here.

PS link is messed up :P
I"m not adding to anything, I'm trying to guide the general cluster **** into a logical conclusion by taking away speculations.

As far as your analysis of JustPassinBy, you are dead ****ing wrong, and you didn't prove anything.

He made a comment that hit the nail directly on the head, which is you don't take a QB #1 overall JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT IN FOREVER. His retort, is that we haven't thrown away and forfeited every pick we have too.

The premise being, in this league you don't devalue picks and throw them away. You don't make decisions in this league based on voodoo rituals and superstitions, you make your selections or trades based upon valued evaluations upon needs and wants with any given player.

I'm sorry that you're too stupid to realize that in this league, you're not supposed to throw away picks "just because" and you don't draft a QB #1 overall because you've got the pick to do it, you make that selection because he's actually worth it.

In this draft, where there's equal talent available int he 2nd round, possibly even the 3rd, you don't draft Geno Smith overall while you have Alex Smith on your roster, costing you two second round picks.

That's logic.

I'm sorry you don't have the mental capacity to see the big picture.:thumb:

That's not what he was saying at all.

When you call someone out on reading comprehension, it's always helpful to double-check to make sure you're not the ****ing moron.

And now I know it is true, you're a moron.


What exactly did you THINK he was saying when he made that comment about us not throwing away all of our picks?

And please don't' try to foolishly compare it again to "If your friend told you to jump off a bridge, would you?", because the comprehension here is positing an antithesis to your statement.

Whereas your retort of it being akin to jumping off a bridge is not an antithesis, and does NOT match up to the comment he made in parallel to yours.

Stupid shit.

I guess we need Jasonsauto to put Exoter in his place again.

Sauto has never in his life put me in my place lol.


You're talking about the same guy who called me an, and I quote, "An overeducated knowitall with your diplomas and certs" like it was a bad thing.

Or the same guy who cried like a baby when I said I wanted to meet him so I could slap the **** out of him because he got mad in a thread and started talking shit about where I live.

Sauto's a piece of dirt.

Men slapping men. That would be fun.

That's not what I said. And, since you linked to it without actually quoting it after this, let's get the actual quote:

Not only did I not say "maybe you should try doing that", I noted that you would, of course, not recommend such an action be taken. In other words, you took the entire point of my post and tried to twist it into exactly the opposite of what I was saying.

Just quoting this to point out that SNR was wrong, after he called me out on Reading Comprehension. :thumb:

I want to buy you a beer!

You ****ing suck.

A mother never suggests that her child should jump off a bridge if all the friends do it.

I know you weren't advocating that we vacate all of our draft selections.

For ****'s sake.

Do you have kids?:spock:

Why the **** does that matter?

Nope. Those players make us gutless pussies with no vision who care nothing about using a top pick in the capacity it was designed for. Sorry!
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Just curious, because based off of that statement you made, it doesn't sound like you have them. :thumb:

Either trade Albert and draft his replacement, or we are drafting a starting RT, an OLB who won't likely play every down, or a #3 CB.

Personally, I'd rather draft Star or Sheldon Richardson.

You do know that list of players wasn't specified for the 1.1 selection right?

That being said, you wouldn't take Fisher or Milliner with the #1, #2, or #3?:spock:

Why would you take Milliner at 1? He isn't a #1 shutdown corner, he'd likely be the 3rd CB.

Your whole perspective is way off. :doh!:

With the first overall pick, you are supposed to get a cornerstone franchise player, correct?

No.

You're supposed to get the first selection in the draft, barring any unforeseen errors in time management.

Then how exactly is my perspective off?

**** no. Niether one of those guys are generational talents. You DONT take non generational talent OUTSIDE of the QB or Reciever positions when you are in the top mother****ing 10. It IS that goddamned simple. DO THE MATH.
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You're a ****ing idiot.

Are you familiar with the question, "If all your friends jumped off a bridge, would you do it as well?"

You said milliner is not a shut down corner, that he's likely a #3 CB. That we shouldn't draft him #1 overall (Despite me qualifying that statement with any of the picks, 1-3, not specifically #1).

The problem with your perspective, is talent.

Every year the talent pool is different, every year your needs are different.

You don't draft a CB, say, #2 overall ONLY if he's going to be a #1 shutdown corner and nothing else.

Hell, he might be the best zone corner coming up in college who plays "alright" in man coverage against bigger, physical receivers.

You might have a deep glaring need for a #2 CB who can play zone, as well as man. And you might have that need for "some time".

Why wouldn't you draft that way?


Whether you like it or not, whether you accept it or not, or whether you're ignorant of the facts or not, WE WILL NOT DRAFT A PLAYER WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE A NEED FOR.

So yeah, CB is a slight need, much smaller of a need than it was before, but a likely selection if we manage to trade back to around the #3 spot. Unlikely he'll go #1.

Drafting a QB, on the other hand, is a waste of a pick. We don't need a QB, we have one, we have three for that matter, and our #3 guy had a better college career than Geno or Nassib, and our #2 guy backed up one of the best QB's to ever play the game, and our #1 guy posted one of the highest Passer Ratings int he NFL last year.

Did I mention we already spent near the equivalent of a first rounder on that #1 QB this year, and we have a whole new FO and Coaching staff in place? And that the likelihood of us drafting a QB, barring Injury, in the next 2 drafts is zero?


YOU (kind of we, but less me, and more or less the stupid masses) need to step away from this mentality that the #1 pick, or a top 5 or top 10 pick has to be a guy who gets drafted in that number (IE, you can't draft a CB #1 overall, and you can't draft a guard inside the top 15). You also need to get over the fact that what most of you are buying into right now, is smoke and mirrors. This whole "Dorsey said we would draft BPA" doesn't discount the fact that he's never stated we wouldn't draft FOR NEED as well. Some of YOU let the facts go in one ear and out the other.

We NEED a Right Tackle, we might ALSO NEED a Left Tackle. Two positions that are nearly priceless in the amount of importance they have for our offense going forward if we are to make a playoff run.

And I say that word "priceless" in retrospect to the fact that we've, again, already signed a #1 QB. So now the value of adding another QB is no longer priceless, it holds a weighted value.

Right now the value of another QB on this roster is that of Camp Fodder for competition at the #3 spot.

Not because we think Geno could be the #1 guy.

wut

Unfortunately the problem with your theory is that there is Generational talent in the pool, there really isn't, outside of the offensive line pool.

QB is at a record low. Receiver might be up there, and I've heard rumors that Tavon might have an outside shot at being a selection as well, but nothing from my source on it. RB is at a record low. TE is alright. Defensively, aside from maybe 1 DE/OLB and 2 CB's is a loss. DT is pretty healthy though.


Unless of course you're throwing around the phrase "Generational talent" loosely to make a point so you can continue to argue, and not that you actually have a better player in mind.

If I'm a ****ing idiot, what would that make you ? Protoplasm?

Yes, I've heard of the phrase, now quit avoiding my question and answer it, instead of deflecting.

I didn't stutter at all.

Re-reading it, I suppose it's a fair argument.

Not really. If he's saying Stanzi had a better college career than Geno then that's an opinion that is disproven through stats alone. As far as "better" goes, that's all a matter of ... well no, it's just not accurate in the slightest.:thumb:

You think so?


Alright, here we go. Lets have a little game, shall we?


Would you agree that the majority of CP wants a QB who can win big games? Who can win a super bowl?

If its a weak class, and you are in the top ten, the same rule applies. And we dont have three QB's. We have one starter, and two bags of shit in the hand. If your choices are Grahm Harrell or Tyson Jackson, you take Harrell. Are you somewhat seeing the point now? If its 2009, and your choices are T-Jack and Crabtree( without hindsight, and you've already acquired your QBOTF in Cassel(rofl), WHO DO YOU TAKE????
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Games are for children looking for attention. I answered the question with a fact, Geno had a better college career than Ricky Stanzi. Stats don't lie, in fact they are quite truthful when you think of how real they are. :thumb:

Sure


You mean like a BCS bowl?

You can make the argument Stanzi had a better career via record and record in bowl games.


I don't think Exoter is trying to say Stanzi's a better prospect (feel free to clarify).

Geno won a "better" bowl game, though. And in stunning fashion.

Stats mean dic. It's all about projecting the guy at the next level. There isn't a player in this draft that projects to be a star immediately

All that I'm saying is that teams win games, the QB sometimes leads them back in epic fashion and sometimes his defense gets him in holes too big to climb out of. West Virginia's defense was one of the worst in college football history, when Iowa was always known for having a good defense. Stanzi did well enough, he was Iowa's Alex Smith, but at the end of the day he was no Geno Smith.

:thumb:

Exactly. And with two bags of shit in the hand at QB, and with the Chiefs holding the top pick, WHO DO YOU TAKE????
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Tbh, I think more of Alex smith than most around here so I'd take a dl who can rush the passer from the 3 tech, aka Sheldon Richardson or probably Jordan

Jordan I can live with.
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Would much rather have Sheldon, as I view 3/5 techs that can get upfield, have solid hand-fighting skills, and pass rush moves as pretty rare commodity.

We desparately need a dlineman that can actually ****ing move and collapse the pocket. I think Poe can add some but we need a disruptor. That would totally change the defense by adding someone like that.

Jesus, how many fatty-drafts do you mother****ers want anyway?
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