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Frazod 10-06-2008 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 5088524)
OU is happy to talk about their past. However, I wouldn't trade the Huskers' tradition for the Sooners'. They can keep their probation violations.

I'm not emphasizing tradition because NU is down. The point is Mizzou isn't as great as their fans think. Mizzou fans made Saturday's game more dramatic than it was going to be. Right now, Nebraska is where Mizzou usually has been.

God, will you ever shut up? :shake:

I actually think you're enough of a bitch to play defense for the Huskers. You should call Dicknose and see if he can fit you with a Blackskirt.

Pitt Gorilla 10-06-2008 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 5088524)
The point is Mizzou isn't as great as their fans think. Mizzou fans made Saturday's game more dramatic than it was going to be. Right now, Nebraska is where Mizzou usually has been.

How great do we think Mizzou is? I have posted several times that I think OSU will give us a good scare this Saturday. I've noted that we could very well lose at Texas. How is Mizzou less-great than that? What metric are you attempting to use?

Pitt Gorilla 10-06-2008 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 5088559)
Stop living in the past...yeah great they won in 1997, no one cares now....back it up by being the powerhouse again. Goodluck getting a lawrence phillips and tommie frazier to run the option with success now.

I think Phillips will be out of jail in 10 years or so.

|Zach| 10-06-2008 03:20 PM

I don't feel like the different sides of this discussion are actually making the arguments the other side feels it is.

I don't think most Mizzou fans are trying to convince anyone we have the tradition of some of the programs listed (maybe I am missing something?) but obviously have no problem feeling like we have the quality team we have.

CoMoChief 10-06-2008 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 5088504)
I don't want "tradition." I want to win every game going forward. OU doesn't sit around and talk about the past; they want to win now. "Tradition" is only as good as the support/players it helps you to accumulate. NU has fans and facilities due to their tradition. MU has facilities and talent and is rebuilding the fanbase, tradition or no.

I would guess that T-Bone's $ will provide enough "tradition" that OSU will have facilities, talent, and fans in short order. Perhaps they can even get a coach.

Uhhh OU does win now last time I checked. :spock:

|Zach| 10-06-2008 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5088718)
Uhhh OU does win now last time I checked. :spock:

You are being overly dramatic about all of this.

smittysbar 10-06-2008 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 5088524)
OU is happy to talk about their past. However, I wouldn't trade the Huskers' tradition for the Sooners'. They can keep their probation violations.

I'm not emphasizing tradition because NU is down. The point is Mizzou isn't as great as their fans think. Mizzou fans made Saturday's game more dramatic than it was going to be. Right now, Nebraska is where Mizzou usually has been.

Tradition.......so you got that going for ya

Who gives a ****! Got your junk handed to you, then come on here throwing around a tradition card? Hope the traditions comfort you through your time of powder puff football. Yes MU fans wanted to go there and win, kinda the ****ing point, ain't it there Opie. Truly a dumb thread.

Saulbadguy 10-06-2008 04:45 PM

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=137293

SAUTO 10-06-2008 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 5088504)
I don't want "tradition." I want to win every game going forward. OU doesn't sit around and talk about the past; they want to win now. "Tradition" is only as good as the support/players it helps you to accumulate. NU has fans and facilities due to their tradition. MU has facilities and talent and is rebuilding the fanbase, tradition or no.
I would guess that T-Bone's $ will provide enough "tradition" that OSU will have facilities, talent, and fans in short order. Perhaps they can even get a coach.

MU has some boosters with pretty deep pockets also. Which is a good thing for ANY program that wants to win

WilliamTheIrish 10-06-2008 05:30 PM

I understand the ocean levels continues to rise due meltdowns of this proportion.

Bowser 10-06-2008 05:33 PM

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KChiefs1 10-06-2008 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 5088305)
Those are hardly traditional powerhouses. They weren't good enough for a long enough period of time before they disappeared.

What's a long enough period? 20yrs? 30yrs? 40yrs?

You do realize it's already been 7 years since NU has even beat a ranked team right?:shake:

KChiefs1 10-06-2008 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 5088319)
They have been playing football since 1890. Nebraska competed with Notre Dame in the days of Knute Rockne.

So Harvard & Princeton have more tradition?:)

KChiefs1 10-06-2008 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish (Post 5089017)
I understand the ocean levels continues to rise due meltdowns of this proportion.

Amazing...Nebraska fans think it's their right to be the best...like I said before:

Nebraska is Iowa State with tradition.ROFL

Saul Good 10-06-2008 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 5088524)
OU is happy to talk about their past. However, I wouldn't trade the Huskers' tradition for the Sooners'. They can keep their probation violations.

I'm not emphasizing tradition because NU is down. The point is Mizzou isn't as great as their fans think. Mizzou fans made Saturday's game more dramatic than it was going to be. Right now, Nebraska is where Mizzou usually has been.

Oklahoma's past has a positive impact on their present and future. That's the value of tradition. If you can't parlay tradition into continued success, it's not worth a damned thing.

Missouri is a great team, and any objective observer puts them squarely in the middle of the National Championship hunt. Clearly Mizzou doesn't have the tradition of Nebraska , but that doesn't mean that they aren't a better program. Clearly Mizzou is light-years ahead of Nebraska. Do you honestly believe that Nebraska will have more success over the next 10 years than Missouri?

Missouri has the enormous built-in advantage that comes with being the only D-I school in a top 10 state in terms of D-I players coming out of high school. They have a coach who has proven that he can identify talent, keep it in state, and supplement that talent with out of state players when needed.

Nebraska, on the other hand, is turning into a program where coaches go to die. They have no in state talent to speak of, and they used to make a living off of pulling players out of surrounding states including Missouri. Guess what? Those days are over. Why would a player from Missouri choose to go to Nebraska? Tradition? Ask the Husker players what they thought of tradition after Chase Daniel pulled down their pants and made them march in the Homecoming parade. Do you think that Saturday's game did anything other than shovel dirt on Nebraska's grave?

Pitt Gorilla 10-06-2008 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5088718)
Uhhh OU does win now last time I checked. :spock:

Pretty much my very point.

ChiefsCountry 10-06-2008 06:59 PM

Mizzou has a darn good tradition the mid 80's and 90s killed alot of it off.

Ebolapox 10-06-2008 07:00 PM

jesus. ****ing. tapdancing. a2m christ.

come the **** on.

die, thread, die.

plbrdude 10-06-2008 07:06 PM

we shouldn't let it die till nebraska gets ran by the table in the big xii

Saul Good 10-06-2008 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 5088524)
OU is happy to talk about their past. However, I wouldn't trade the Huskers' tradition for the Sooners'. They can keep their probation violations.

I'm not emphasizing tradition because NU is down. The point is Mizzou isn't as great as their fans think. Mizzou fans made Saturday's game more dramatic than it was going to be. Right now, Nebraska is where Mizzou usually has been.

Oklahoma was down for a long time, and it wasn't their tradition that brought them back. It was Bob Stoops. If Nebraska ever makes a comeback, it won't be because of their tradition. It will be because they hire a great coach who turns around a terrible program.

If Bob Stoops had gone to Iowa State, Iowa State would be a powerhouse. If Oklahoma had hired Bill Callahan, they would be where Nebraska is now. Nebraska's tradition may get a coach to answer the phone when the AD calls looking for a new coach, but that window is closing as well. If Pellini doesn't work out, all bets are off. UNL is dangerously close to becoming a resume stain.

Skip Towne 10-06-2008 07:36 PM

I don't recall OU being "down" for any extended period. They weren't good from '96 to '98 when they had John Blake and Howard Schnellenberger. OU is the only school with 4 coaches with more than 100 wins. Bud Wilkinson, Barry Switzer, Stoops and some dude from the '20's.

Saulbadguy 10-06-2008 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne (Post 5089574)
I don't recall OU being "down" for any extended period. They weren't good from '96 to '98 when they had John Blake and Howard Schnellenberger. OU is the only school with 4 coaches with more than 100 wins. Bud Wilkinson, Barry Switzer, Stoops and some dude from the '20's.

They were down by OU standards in the 90's.

Saul Good 10-06-2008 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne (Post 5089574)
I don't recall OU being "down" for any extended period. They weren't good from '96 to '98 when they had John Blake and Howard Schnellenberger. OU is the only school with 4 coaches with more than 100 wins. Bud Wilkinson, Barry Switzer, Stoops and some dude from the '20's.

1994: 6-6
1995: 5-5-1
1996: 3-8
1997: 4-8
1998: 5-6

That's not that long ago, and you forgot how far down they really were. I'm guessing that you were old enough to have followed college football at the time, too. The same thing is happening to Nebraska in reverse. It was that same period of time when Nebraska was a factor in a national sense. Now kids are supposed to remember that Nebraska was good 10+ years ago...when they were 7 years old?

KChiefs1 10-06-2008 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 5089533)
Oklahoma was down for a long time, and it wasn't their tradition that brought them back. It was Bob Stoops. If Nebraska ever makes a comeback, it won't be because of their tradition. It will be because they hire a great coach who turns around a terrible program.

If Bob Stoops had gone to Iowa State, Iowa State would be a powerhouse. If Oklahoma had hired Bill Callahan, they would be where Nebraska is now. Nebraska's tradition may get a coach to answer the phone when the AD calls looking for a new coach, but that window is closing as well. If Pellini doesn't work out, all bets are off. UNL is dangerously close to becoming a resume stain.

Exactly!:clap:

KcMizzou 10-06-2008 08:50 PM

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KCinNY 10-06-2008 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 5088592)
I don't think most Mizzou fans are trying to convince anyone we have the tradition of some of the programs listed (maybe I am missing something?) but obviously have no problem feeling like we have the quality team we have.

Exactly.

Find me a post where a Mizzou fans is crowing about their "tradition."

To be fair, Mizzou does seem to be beginning a tradition of anually pushing in Nebraska's shit.

Saul Good 10-07-2008 06:28 PM

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Awesome vid.

KChiefs1 10-08-2008 08:26 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/s...ge=bottom10086


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Sam Hall 10-08-2008 08:38 PM

You couldn't let it go.

I think Pelini will need four years to right the ship. I think it will be at least year three before he hands out blackshirts. I'm glad I won't be home on Saturday to watch them play Texas Tech.

cdcox 10-08-2008 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 5096305)
You couldn't let it go.

I think Pelini will need four years to right the ship. I think it will be at least year three before he hands out blackshirts. I'm glad I won't be home on Saturday to watch them play Texas Tech.

Sweet, one way or another we'll get to see this thread bumped for another four years.

Pitt Gorilla 10-08-2008 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 5096305)
You couldn't let it go.

I think Pelini will need four years to right the ship. I think it will be at least year three before he hands out blackshirts. I'm glad I won't be home on Saturday to watch them play Texas Tech.

What happened to Pelini's fire turning the D into a top 20 unit?

ChiefsCountry 10-08-2008 08:51 PM

How nice it is seeing Nebraska, Michigan, Florida State, and Miami sucking.

Sam Hall 10-08-2008 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 5096322)
What happened to Pelini's fire turning the D into a top 20 unit?

Whoever said he would do that this year was crazy. Next year doesn't look much better.

Spott 10-09-2008 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 5096314)
Sweet, one way or another we'll get to see this thread bumped for another four years.


In a few weeks there will be a thread identical to this one except it will be directed to the KU fans after Kansas rolls them by 30 points.

King_Chief_Fan 10-09-2008 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 5092706)
Awesome vid.

yes it is..........funny how Nebraska thought they would shut the Tigers out. What were they thinking:shake:

Frazod 10-09-2008 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5096329)
How nice it is seeing Nebraska, Michigan, Florida State, and Miami sucking.

You forgot Notre Dame.

CoMoChief 10-09-2008 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 5097158)
You forgot Notre Dame.

ND hasn't been good since early 90's. except the Brady Quinn year in '06 where they got stomped in that BCS game, I cant remember who they played.

OnTheWarpath15 10-09-2008 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5097208)
ND hasn't been good since early 90's. except the Brady Quinn year in '06 where they got stomped in that BCS game, I cant remember who they played.

LSU

CoMoChief 10-09-2008 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5097324)
LSU

I was gonna say them but my other half of my brain told me they won the NC that year. :D


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