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chiefzilla1501 08-17-2018 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Eleazar (Post 13680040)
Sutton and the defense are emblematic of Andy Reid's inability to change

True. But also not true.

I think Andy refuses to change here because he's too loyal to Sutton. I don't think he's stuck on a D philosophy. Change the coordinator and I'd bet he'd let the next D coordinator do whatever he wanted to.

petegz28 08-17-2018 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MTG#10 (Post 13680062)
Bullshit. We're showing the same thing we show during every season since Sutton has been here. Andy is a liar trying to cover for his buddy's incompetence. Same old same old year in and year out. Sutton is trash and will always be trash.

I have a buddy who us a huge Jets fan. He told me from day one we would regret having Sutton. Right now I think he is right. Sutton has his moments of wanting to play a good defense but then drops back into a shell where he tries to defend everything, every play. All that does is make you reactionary and indecisive.

petegz28 08-17-2018 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 13680068)
True. But also not true.

I think Andy refuses to change here because he's too loyal to Sutton. I don't think he's stuck on a D philosophy. Change the coordinator and I'd bet he'd let the next D coordinator do whatever he wanted to.

Totally agree with that. I should clarify I don't think Reid is loyal to the D philosophy but to the D Coordinator

chiefzilla1501 08-17-2018 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MTG#10 (Post 13680062)
Bullshit. We're showing the same thing we show during every season since Sutton has been here. Andy is a liar trying to cover for his buddy's incompetence. Same old same old year in and year out. Sutton is trash and will always be trash.

It's the preseason. We always show an ultra vanilla defense. Again, I'm not that confident Sutton can make this work. But it's very common for defenses to be extremely vanilla and unaggressive in the preseason.

And I disagree that Sutton has always been trash. He had a few good years but the game seems to have passed him by. I sure hope I'm wrong about that.

htismaqe 08-17-2018 07:13 PM

It’s amazing to me how much people here overrate coaching. Greg Robinson has a Super Bowl ring. Everybody’s 90’s hero Gunther coached one of the worst Chiefs defenses I’ve ever seen. It’s like people don’t actually watch the games.

Players make plays, period. When Houston was on, Sutton’s defense was top 5 in scoring. If Veach did his job, the defense will be better with or without Sutton.

petegz28 08-17-2018 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13680091)
It’s amazing to me how much people here overrate coaching. Greg Robinson has a Super Bowl ring. Everybody’s 90’s hero Gunther coached one of the worst Chiefs defenses I’ve ever seen. It’s like people don’t actually watch the games.

Players make plays, period. When Houston was on, Sutton’s defense was top 5 in scoring. If Veach did his job, the defense will be better with or without Sutton.

I would normally agree. Right up until Sutton called Houston to cover Antonio Brown instead of rushing the QB....then it all became clear

htismaqe 08-17-2018 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 13680081)
It's the preseason. We always show an ultra vanilla defense. Again, I'm not that confident Sutton can make this work. But it's very common for defenses to be extremely vanilla and unaggressive in the preseason.

And I disagree that Sutton has always been trash. He had a few good years but the game seems to have passed him by. I sure hope I'm wrong about that.

Passed him by? An aging DJ that neither Pioli nor Dorsey could replace, a gimpy Houston, multiple stints on IR for Berry. The defense’s struggles aren’t a mystery.

MTG#10 08-17-2018 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13680091)
It’s amazing to me how much people here overrate coaching. Greg Robinson has a Super Bowl ring. Everybody’s 90’s hero Gunther coached one of the worst Chiefs defenses I’ve ever seen. It’s like people don’t actually watch the games.

Players make plays, period. When Houston was on, Sutton’s defense was top 5 in scoring. If Veach did his job, the defense will be better with or without Sutton.

I'll agree with this to an extent, but you seem to greatly underrate defensive scheme.

Best22 08-17-2018 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 13680010)
They've also allowed 43, 48, and 38 point games.
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Wade Phillips didn't become their defensive coach until 2015, the year they won the Super Bowl

When they allowed those point totals, Del Rio was their DC

-King- 08-17-2018 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 13680098)
I would normally agree. Right up until Sutton called Houston to cover Antonio Brown instead of rushing the QB....then it all became clear

Maybe just maybe there was a miscommunication within the players and they didn't call a switch and that's why that happened. You really think Sutton really had Houston covering him from the get go?
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htismaqe 08-17-2018 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 13680098)
I would normally agree. Right up until Sutton called Houston to cover Antonio Brown instead of rushing the QB....then it all became clear

So rush Houston and let Brown run free? Come on, Pete. You’re smarter than that. People want aggression but they don’t realize that today’s NFL is geared towards protecting QBs. There’s egregious holding on nearly every play. Houston hasn’t been himself for a couple of years. Sending him on that play was just asking to get burnt.

petegz28 08-17-2018 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 13680108)
Maybe just maybe there was a miscommunication within the players and they didn't call a switch and that's why that happened. You really think Sutton really had Houston covering him from the get go?
Posted via Mobile Device

Yes. Considering it happened twice, yes. You don't have a miscommunication that causes your best pass rusher to cover the best WR in the NFL 50+ yards downfield. Or again on the final play of the game on 3rd & 7 when you have to have a stop.

bricks 08-17-2018 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13679970)
Can we at least wait until we aren’t running vanilla gameplans in games that don’t matter to determine this?

Good god pete

He’s right though

Gameplans or not

I get what he is saying. Its the same shitty patterns were accustomed to seeing since he has been def coordinator here

Eleazar 08-17-2018 07:20 PM

Houston isn't an elite pass rusher anymore. The defense is going to have to come up with some other answers.

petegz28 08-17-2018 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13680110)
So rush Houston and let Brown run free? Come on, Pete. You’re smarter than that. People want aggression but they don’t realize that today’s NFL is geared towards protecting QBs. There’s egregious holding on nearly every play. Houston hasn’t been himself for a couple of years. Sending him on that play was just asking to get burnt.

WTF are you even making any assumption that rushing Houston allows Brown to run free? If that's the case you're ****ed from the get go on your play call. Which is exactly my point.


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