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chiefzilla1501 05-03-2016 01:28 PM

100% yes. It always amazes me that people hate football players making more money but are okay with owners making a gazillion dollars.

I believe in trusting the market. If an owner is willing to pay Jamaal Charles 75m, that'd how much he's worth. The fact that owners get to cap wages below market value, owners are getting one hell of a return on their investment.

While I'd love to bitch about them making more than me, I can be replaced tomorrow by a million other people and nobody is paying my employer $100 to watch me work

Mr. Laz 05-03-2016 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 12213914)
:rolleyes:

As much as CC is annoying gunt, he does have a point.

Baseball = skill
Golf = skill
soccer = conditioning
Basketball = athleticism
Football = Body size/durability, willingness to exchange pain for success

Different sports have a different primary category needed. Of course you need hand/eye coordination and athletic ability etc in all pro sports but the primary need is vastly different.

Amnorix 05-03-2016 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12213978)
You know they are

Pats will do anything they can to push the rules, they love pissing the league off. The flaunt their cheating and dare the league to get enough concrete evidence to prove it.

Is there any wonder why the league wants to hammer that organization.

:rolleyes:

Mr. Laz 05-03-2016 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 12213995)
I haven't come up with a way to stop it, either. You could make the contracts more simple and transparent, but that would only address cheating within the system, not the stuff that happens outside it.

You could enact rules to keep teams from "hiring" former players to front-office positions after their playing days, but that doesn't seem quite fair since a lot of those guys are legitimately working.

Even if you had the league handle payrolls, you still couldn't stop the scenarios where Pat Bowlen gives Elway a suitcase of cash to pay for league minimum.

It's a huge problem, and it's why we see so few teams in AFC side of the Super Bowl over the past few decades. Cheating confers an advantage.

Salary cap for coaches/staff too?

Mr. Laz 05-03-2016 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 12214005)
:rolleyes:

Sorry dude, but you know it's true

Belichek revels in the anger and disdain of the league and fans. He loves saying "**** you, just try and stop me"

Amnorix 05-03-2016 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12214004)
As much as CC is annoying gunt, he does have a point.

Baseball = skill
Golf = skill
soccer = conditioning
Basketball = athleticism
Football = Body size/durability, willingness to exchange pain for success

Different sports have a different primary category needed. Of course you need hand/eye coordination and athletic ability etc in all pro sports but the primary need is vastly different.


In what way does the skill of a pitcher differ from that of a quarterback? Except the "constant fear that a 300 pound monster is trying to kill you" thing that makes a QB's job a bit more difficult.

Sure, linemen don't need to do anything with the ball -- hit or throw or catch, but they need to win their battle in the trenches, which is far more than body size/durability and ability to withstand pain. If it was just that, it'd be a bunch of behemoths that can't run in there. Instead it's a combination of size plus leverage plus hand-fighting techniques, plus speed, plus alot of other things.

If you are seriously suggesting that golfers are better "athletes" than NFL players, then I don't really know what to tell you. Golf is barely a sport. Any "sport" that doesn't really require an ounce of sweat doesn't much qualify in my book.

Pasta Little Brioni 05-03-2016 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 12214005)
:rolleyes:

Oh come on and admit it you homer sumbitch

Graystoke 05-03-2016 01:38 PM

I don't know.
But you know what would be fun?
Every NFL Team has to start an everyday kind of dude, every play. You know, an office type of guy, 30-35 years old.
God that would be entertainment. Watching some pudgy dude on the field with Pros.
Pay him the big money because he isn't going to last the season, let alone walk again.

Mr. Laz 05-03-2016 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 12214018)
In what way does the skill of a pitcher differ from that of a quarterback? Except the "constant fear that a 300 pound monster is trying to kill you" thing that makes a QB's job a bit more difficult.

Sure, linemen don't need to do anything with the ball -- hit or throw or catch, but they need to win their battle in the trenches, which is far more than body size/durability and ability to withstand pain. If it was just that, it'd be a bunch of behemoths that can't run in there. Instead it's a combination of size plus leverage plus hand-fighting techniques, plus speed, plus alot of other things.

If you are seriously suggesting that golfers are better "athletes" than NFL players, then I don't really know what to tell you. Golf is barely a sport. Any "sport" that doesn't really require an ounce of sweat doesn't much qualify in my book.

WHAT are you talking about? Are you reading impaired?

I said golf was a skill ... not athletic.

Do you know what the word skill means?

Before you argue maybe you should read the dictionary.

Amnorix 05-03-2016 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12214015)
Sorry dude, but you know it's true

Belichek revels in the anger and disdain of the league and fans. He loves saying "**** you, just try and stop me"


You don't actually understand him at all. He doesn't give a crap about the NFL. The "LEAGUE" itself -- and the stuffed shirts that run it -- corporate types not football men -- means nothing to him.

He wants to coach football and win games. If you asked him and he was willing to answer, then I think he'd admit Spygate was really stupid, but that other teams were doing it too and, more importantly, the rules change itself was stupid. What is the difference between taping team's signals and listening to audibles at the line on television from previous weeks to get an advantage on calls, or the MANY other tells that teams scout for all the time?

Whatever. He hates the league, and the league hates him. But you guys have turned that into the Patriots just constantly cheat in every way. :shrug: Sure, whatever makes you happy. But cap violations to further enrich a guy who is already disgustingly wealthy? Whose wife is even more wealthy? Seems more than a little silly.

Amnorix 05-03-2016 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12214037)
WHAT are you talking about? Are you reading impaired?

I said golf was a skill ... not athletic.

Do you know what the word skill means?

Before you argue maybe you should read the dictionary.


Sure, golf is a skill. Not even sure what argument you're making though.

Whatever, let's throw it backt o CC. He said:

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Hitting a baseball and pitching takes more skill than football. Playing basketball is more athletic and more skills than football. Football is more dangerous, but for the most part it doesn't take the skill as baseball and basketball.

The only real answer to that is "so what"? Solving a rubiks cube in less than 10 seconds is a skill too, but unlikely to get you millions of dollars.

Mr. Laz 05-03-2016 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 12214043)
I am a naive homer, ignore my post about the New England Patriots because they are bullshit.

FYP

Amnorix 05-03-2016 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 12214021)
Oh come on and admit it you homer sumbitch


Admit that you hate the Patriots for their success? Sure, no problem.

:p

Amnorix 05-03-2016 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12214054)
FYP


Whatever makes you happy. Keep on hatin' on.

Pasta Little Brioni 05-03-2016 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 12214062)
Admit that you hate the Patriots for their success? Sure, no problem.

:p

I don't acknowledge cheaters...welp sorry


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