Reid w/Johnson :

Reg season :
97-62-1
Playoffs :
10-7

Reid w/o Johnson :
Reg season :
53-44
Playoffs :
0-3

I rest my case.

He is neither. He is one of the best coaches in the NFL. They did NOT lose to Denver because of Andy Reid. They lost because of 5 turnovers. People forget just how bad this team was before he got here.

If reid is one of the best, nfl coaching is at a definite low point. The guy routinely blows games with complete unawareness of the situation. I realize the chiefs had to have a name coach in their situation at the time, but reid was and is a guy who is known for melting down in tight situations. There's no debate about it.

I just said this. Their best years were with Jim Johnson. No one is disputing that.

Who hired Jim Johnson? Who gave him pay raises to make him one of the highest paid coordinators in the league?

You're legitimately trying to argue that Andy Reid is a bad coach because he hired good assistant coaches? Is this for real?

Despite the meltdown here we did not lose to Denver because of Reid. Take away two of the five turnovers and this place would be talking about how good he is.

bunch of ****ing drama queens here.

He certainly didn't do anything to help. He displayed his usual lack of situational awareness at various times in the game and his playcalling is getting really predictable.

His playcalling has always been predictable. He hasn't changed in 17 years. His offense is get guys in space, stretch the field horizontally, let your speed make plays. Use the short passing game as a substitute for the running game. Throw tons of passes to the RBs. That's what we signed up for.

But that said, he's won a ton of games. And not just a Marty-ish career... very few down years, numerous playoff appearances and wins. I'm not sure there are that many current coaches with better resumes. Belichick obviously. Carroll. John Harbaugh? Maybe Sean Payton? Coughlin at one time, but maybe not present day. Very few of these guys have done it consistently for almost two decades though.

Of course that doesn't mean squat going forward for the Chiefs, but this thread is debating whether he was a bad coach in Philly.

And there it was.

I am getting genuinely goddamned tired of watching this cavalcade of excuse-makers for this organization. If the Chiefs were an employee of a company, they would be long-fired and forgotten at this point.

Or, in plain English:

The "good" is NOT outweighing the bad.

This, and this is all that matters.

It doesn't matter if you're predictable conservative like Marty or predictable risky like Mike Martz, it's bad. It leads to giving up an edge. It gives an advantage.

Never trust a former player from Hooks.

I meant more generally. They even talked the other night how Reid likes to throw plays you've never seen into the first 15 plays.

But in general, you know he's going to run a short pass happy offense. But that's true with almost everyone. You know the Ravens are going to chuck it deep over and over, you know the Broncos and Patriots will run lots of picks, you know the Seahawks will run the ball a lot to set up the playaction passes. You just have to execute.

NFL head coaches have always been "bad", which is why so many are fired and hired each year. And the reason for this is simple:

There is only so much one man can do from the sidelines.

Players have to execute. Plain and simple. When players execute, teams win, which makes head coaches look "great". When players don't execute, head coaches look like fools, allowing everyone to criticize.

Reid has won far more games than he's lost, making him a good head coach. He's definitely one of the best at game planning and scheming. He does his "thing" well but once it's off script, he has as many problems as anyone else in the league, which is why you'll always hear commentators say "He just needs to stick with the game plan".

I can't believe that anyone thought that Kubiak "out coached" Reid. If so, that's a joke. The Chiefs didn't execute and turned over the ball five times.

That's why they lost.

Exactly. Kubiak's coaching was so bad it appears that Manning started ignoring him and running his own offense.