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Re: SNR & everybody who claims that the non-Geno talent atop this draft is "garbage." (https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=270362)

Stafford was also a party boy drunk in college and still is. He's also a statue - which is getting him injured at a high rate in the pros. He isn't close to Geno in terms of mechanics and release. He also has bad pocket awareness.

He's got a million dollar arm and a ten cent head.

Stafford is Nuke LaLoosh.

Geno is a much better prospect at the same stage.

I don't get your hate for Geno Direck. None of the guys you've listed have produced the numbers that Geno has over their college careers. And I don't think any of these guys have Geno's ceiling.

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Originally Posted by Direckshun
1. OT Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M
Not even the best tackle on his college team. And comes out of a true spread. He's four years from contributing at a high level - if he ever gets there. He's not Long, Thomas or Okung. He's a poor man's Matt Kalil at the very best.

2. DE/OLB Bjoern Werner, Florida State
Should be a very nice 43 DE. However, he got his sacks in bunches and disappeared for stretches at a time. Still has a steep learning curve.

3. DE/OLB Damontre Moore, Texas A&M
Tweener who doesn't play instinctively. Gets a lot of his numbers chasing down the play, which isn't going to happen a lot at the next level.

4. DE/DT Sheldon Richardson, Missouri
Quit on his college team and if we draft a five tech DE with the first overall pick Dorsey and Reid should be fired on the spot. He's not Seymour - by a long shot.

5. DT Star Lotulelei, Utah
We drafted Poe last year and he's a 43 DT anyway. Can dominate a single team, but struggles against doubles getting pressure - but can hold them up with his strength. Pure 43 NT.

6. OT Eric Fisher, Central Michigan
Central Michigan. Seriously - Central Michigan. Hasn't played against shit and has only shown an athletic ability versus holding up against any type of competition. Huge learning curve.

7. CB DeMarcus Milliner, Alabama
David Amerson is the same guy with better ball skills. Milliner doesn't have elite level hips/feet and speed. He's a very good, solid press cover guy that is going to have to be a #2 in the NFL.

8. OT Lane Johnson, Oklahoma
A converted HS QB, college DE/TE with limited OT reps. Comes from a true spread system. Major learning curve.

9. DT Johnathan Hankins, Ohio State
See Lotulelei above. Nice player, but not long enough for a 34 DE. Another 43 NT. Compares to Marcel Dareus.

10. OG Chance Warmack, Alabama
He's a ****ing guard. A guard! And we've drafted two first team AA guards in the past two years in Asamoah and Hudson. And I seriously doubt that he's as good as Hudson coming out of college. He got a lot better after Barrett Jones moved into the center position.

11. CB Johnathan Banks, Mississippi State
John Banks is a nice player that's very smooth with nice instincts, but he isn't a top 10 guy. No way, no how. I'd take him or Amerson in the second round.

12. DE/OLB Dion Jordan, Oregon
A long athletic guy who saw his numbers decrease dramatically this past year as teams started keying on him. Not a lot of experience. A boom bust guy that might not ever produce. Plus you have Hali and Houston.

13. S Kenny Vaccaro, Texas.
You got to be ****ing kidding. Vaccaro isn't close to the player that Geno is for their respective positions. Shit, Phillip Thomas is twice the safety Vaccaro is and he'll be available in the third round.

Demontre Moore: 12 bench reps. Seriously?

Chiefs are gonna look seriously stupid when they turn in the card and it doesn't have Geno's name on it.

Berman and Kiper will say nice things about the team moving together after Jovan Belcher, and how Andy Reid is a great coach. They'll pat us on the head and say "They tried." Then they'll stop giving a **** about the rest of our picks for the entire draft.

After recommending we let Albert walk and take Joeckel, Mel Kiper gives us a D- for our draft grade, citing that we're a 2-14 that STILL doesn't have a QB yet

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9434864)

Sigh.

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 9433243)

No, I'm responding to the ludicrus bullshit you threw my way, calling all of these prospects "garbage" in earnest.

They are legitimately on par with what we've had in drafts past in the top 10.

And so is Geno. That's the whole point. Every argument made against him can be made against any other player at any other position, whether it's Joeckel or anyone else. Because, while I wouldn't call any of them "garbage" myself, the fact remains that this is a very deep draft with very little in the way of elite talent at the top. If somebody can say "I don't want Geno because he's not Luck or Griffin, it's too risky", I have just as much right to say "I don't want Joeckel because he's not Pace or Thomas, and it's not enough value for the pick".

Beyond that, the funniest part to me is that certain people, who seem to be so intent on finding "value" in the draft, go out of their way to devalue players at the quarterback position. You know, the position that is by far the most valuable in today's game.

The arguments for Geno all seem to be related to the Chiefs' franchise's past, and not to him.

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Originally Posted by HotCarl (Post 9434931)

The arguments for Geno all seem to be related to the Chiefs' franchise's past, and not to him.

There's no argument related to him. He's a top prospect in this, or any other, year.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9434942)

There's no argument related to him. He's a top prospect in this, or any other, year.

Yep.

Are there any arguments at all in favor of geno that have anything at all to do with KC's history? None that I'm aware of. Everybody that wants him seems to think he's a good QB who will become very good at the next level.

At QB, who was a worse prospect than Geno of the above players?

1. Luck
2-tie. RG3/Stafford
3. Smith
4. Ryan
5. Newton
6. tie. Bradford/Sanchez
7. Gabbert
8. Tannehill
9. Locker

This is the way I see it and the stats back it up.

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 9435059)

I agree but Geno Smith doesn't have the injury proneness of RGIII & Stafford so I think Geno Smith can have a longer career ahead of those two. I much rather have Geno Smith over RGIII or Stafford now.

If you think that Sheldon Richardson is a better prospect than Geno Smith, you know very little about the prospects in this year's draft.

I've seen every single snap that Richardson has taken at the D1 level, and I wouldn't draft him in the first. Period.

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I'll meet you down by the big yella joint

In 10 years, the only players you are going to look at and say "That is THE pick that turned that franchise around" are under the QB column. Maybe it is only a 30% chance, but if it doesn't pan out this time we can try again in 3 years.

Mother**** YOU, Direcksun.
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