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Royals sign Jeremy Guthrie (https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=266872)

Not only is 3/25 a very reasonable deal, its also very backloaded. Given that we can clear a lot of dead payroll very easily, we should still have a decent chunk of money to spend.

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Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN
KC is two-thirds of its way to acquiring the veteran starting pitching it aimed for. Their plan is to trade minor-leaguers to get last SP.

We may soon lose somebody that a lot of fans wont want to lose, maybe Hosmer and/or Wil Myers. There is a LOT of smoke coming out of Tampa.

If David Price is coming to Kansas City I could live with giving up some players.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9136484)

Jair Jurrjens couldn't bring Hell-Boy's heat.

And at this point the Royals may just have to worry about Eric Hosmer being a white version of Ken Harvey.

Ha. Rep.

Serious possible comp for Hosmer, though: Casey Kotchman. Similar profiles (heck, they both were even hard-throwing HS pitchers). Kotchman's power never transferred to game.

The other end of the spectrum, I think, is Justin Morneau pre-injury. High average, good power, etc.

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 9136501)

We may soon lose somebody that a lot of fans wont want to lose, maybe Hosmer and/or Wil Myers. There is a LOT of smoke coming out of Tampa.

Hosmer, good-bye. Wish you well, dude. Butler's bat is proven, and I can live with his butchery at first, since Hosmer's glove was more fool's gold than anything.

If DM trades Myers, however, I'm going to come un****ingglued.

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9136506)

If David Price is coming to Kansas City I could live with giving up some players.

heh, no kidding. I'm sure the Rays will hang on to that one.

Tampa has pitchers coming out of their ears and a weak offense, so they are a natural trading partner.

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9136536)

Thats probably the holdup. Tampa covets Myers, and we've probably been trying to get them to settle on Hosmer instead.

I'd REALLY rather see Myers in RF at the end of May than Frenchy.

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9136536)

I'm worried that if they trade Hos, we'll put Myers at first, leave Billy at DH and then that justifies (in DM's mind) keeping Frenchy in right.

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Originally Posted by KevB (Post 9136566)

I'm worried that if they trade Hos, we'll put Myers at first, leave Billy at DH and then that justifies (in DM's mind) keeping Frenchy in right.

Oh, ****. Hadn't even considered this potential cluster****, but it sounds very Daytonish.

Thanks for this.

IMO, this is awesome. He pitched LIGHTS OUT... and he WANTED TO STAY in Kansas City. That is a good sign to help get other FA's here.

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9136536)

THIS

At this point I'm okay with trading whoever we have to trade for pitching, as long as its a fair deal. If that means Myers, so be it. This team is not going to win jack without more pitching. It just isn't... otherwise we're spinning our wheels with a lot of shiny offensive toys.

That said, I'm not nearly as down on Hosmer as everyone else.
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The Royals need pitching ... That much is obvious. I would prefer they traded Hosmer, but there is a lot of smoke arround Myers.

I just hope it's for more then Hellickson like heavily rumored.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9136462)

You have to trust his stuff over his peripherals.

I had a long-ass post on this very thing in the other Royals thread when you were asking what tradeable assets the Royals had...before a crybaby **** of a mod banned me and I couldn't get it posted. The exact proposal was Hosmer for Hellickson and Archer.

My position was that Hosmer has 2 years of service time and is a Borass client. Hellickson has 2 years as well. Borass won't allow his client to extend in KC before his FA period, so you're looking at having to shop him in 2 or 3 seasons anyway.

I know it sucks to have to view the world that way, but I like Myers and Moose's upside more and those are guys the Royals will have to throw a bunch of money at to extend. Can they do that AND sign Hosmer out of the FA market? It sure seems unlikely.

So why not deal him for a power-armed starter that's proven to be durable and has definite #2 starter stuff.

You argue that Hellickson outpitches his peripherals when I think there's a sound argument to be made that Hellickson's peripherals simply don't match his ability. He should be as good as his ERA indicates. His stuff absolutely allows for that. With some adjustments in his approach and refinement to his breaking stuff, he has ace-caliber upside. Better still, he has youth on his side and plenty of time to reach that upside still.

Who banned you and why?

We've said all along that we're going to have to part with some highly touted stud minor leaguers to flip them for proven talent.

This is particularly true in our situation, where we need pitching. Look at San Francisco and the garbage they ran out at many positions, only to beast through pitching.

If we have to trade Myers, fine. You can get serviceable outfielders a lot easier than a stud starting pitcher. We've got Cain and Gordon already. Hell, David Glass should just blow himself up and give us Josh Hamilton in right. LMAO

In all seriousness, I'm ok with flipping young talent if we get good pitching.