I presented a plethora of options there. Geno in Round 2/different stopgap QB or Barkley in Round 3/different stopgap QB are just two of them. Marcellus said nobody had offered a counter to trading for Alex Smith. I was just providing several of them.

Whether it's "reasonable" depends on how much stock you put in being respectable/maybe slipping into the playoffs this season. If you place a lot of stock in those things, maybe it isn't.

Back to this, eh?

Yes, the something I wanted the Chiefs to "try" (Drafting a QB in an early round and attempting to develop that QB into a franchise player) is SO radical and completely unproven. No team in the NFL ever does that. No team in the NFL ever has success with that. It isn't the approach that gives you the best odds of finding a long-term, franchise QB.

THIS. Especially the bolded part.

If Griffin doesn't get his legs/knee back, it remains to be seen if he'll be an effective NFL level QB. For his entire career, his game was predicated on his ability to get out and scramble. The Redskins hoped that they drafted a smarter Michael Vick without (hopefully) the secondary social issues.

If he's not able to do that because of the knee and he's not able to make the necessary adjustments to his game, then the Redskins paid a horribly high price for Griffin.

With Smith, Reid knew exactly what he was getting and banked on his understanding of his system and what kind of QB that system needs to be ultimately effective when he traded for him. If Smith is able to even come close to what McNabb was able to do in Reid's system, the trade is a fantastic one for the Chiefs. If he's able to surpass what McNabb provided, and that seems to be what Reid is thinking, it's a freaking bargain, especially when you consider what someone like the Redskins gave up in moving up for Griffin.

Such a shame that Griffin went to Washington. Couldn't have picked a team that gives less shits about their field conditions.

That conditional 2014 pick tho...

Realizing that drafting Barkley would've precluded keeping Bray (because you don't have 2 rookie QBs behind Alex Smith, IMO), do you still prefer Barkley?

How the young QB got on the roster isn't terribly relevant, IMO - we have one. And Bray's the most talented arm to come out of this draft.

So I have to keep asking why people are ignoring the fact that we do have a pretty damn good developmental QB on this roster. He's more likely than not to bust out, but so is just about every QB taken in this draft, Barkley included. And none of those guys have the upside that Bray has.

Isn't Barkley having a pretty good preseason?

I'd certainly still take him over Knile Davis.

Bray has upside and all but he'll likely never matter and someone will get drafted in the mid rounds to battle it out for who's cut in the next couple years.

I'd take Bray and Davis over Barkley and Draughn without thinking twice. Davis has some warts, but that's a powerful runner with legit breakaway speed. He looks bad sometimes because his vision isn't great and he looks even worse because he's behind Charles. But when I watched him in camp and focused on him against SF, that guy has some legit skill. He's a one-cut guy and if this O-line can get on the same page and give him that one cut, he'll do some damage. If Charles went down, I think we could get 70 yds/gm out of Davis.

Barkley didn't do much against NE. He played alright against Carolina but was clearly outplayed by Vick and Foles, who were outstanding. So it makes you wonder if maybe Carolina just sucked that day.

I seriously don't believe that there was any safer and better thing that the Chiefs could have done than what they did in signing Smith, Smith, Fasano and DeVito.

You talk about trading down and getting a CB, a DL or a TE, but, yet, that's exactly what they did. And they don't have to worry about having to go through rookie growing pains or the very real prospect that those rookies could (and more often than not - do) bust.

They get four guys who are just entering the prime of their careers or are in their prime and who are known commodities in terms of their overall performance - on and off the field and in the locker room.

They are ready to win now, not wasting the prime playing years of guys like Hali, Flowers, Charles, Bowe, etc. Rookies in those exact positions would require multiple years of playing to get to that level - if they ever get there at all. (Case in point - Brandon Albert, Tyson Jackson, Glenn Dorsey, et al.)

I know it's fun to watch a guy get drafted and see his career progress knowing that he's "your guy." But there is no measurement of who that guy is and what he'll become at the next level. This team, despite it's 2-14 season last year, is ready to win now. They needed guys who can come in and provide the leadership AND production to be successful right here, right now. No rookie/draft pick is going to do that.

The Chiefs (Hunt/Dorsey/Reid) did the correct thing. And it will pay off for this team sooner rather than later.

Sacc, we've all seen your mock drafts.

We all know you've busted thousands of hot knuckle ropes over the Utah connection in KC.

There hadn't better be any excuses for this ****ing regime if they fall flat on their face this season.

Overdrafting is ALWAYS a bad idea.

The fact that you would have rather had Geno Smith in the second or Matt Barkley in the third means that you either DON'T know how to evaluate QB's and were this unable to recognize their flaws, or your just an armchair GM with nothing better to do than complain.

How many second round QB's have won a Super Bowl in the modern era?

How many third round QB's?

After looking/reading stuff about all theses guys that were drafted this year, I think I'm leaning more and more this way.

Bray obviously fell for mental reasons and is a long shot though, but he's in a great situation for himself to take advantage of

I just don't think the Davis pick was good value at all. Wasn't he drafted on something he did back in 2010? He's got size, he's got speed. But after that one season he was always on the sideline with an injury or fumbling, and he's already flashed his ability to put the ball on the ground.

Do you believe he'll be more than Moeaki?

:facepalm:

Good grief. This forum had been overrun by idiots.