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Hammock Parties 02-12-2013 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9398707)
I'm sorry but I'm not just reading this shit from "National Guys" or whatnot.

So you don't care that two of NFL Network's guys had Geno going #1 and a third on their website also had him going #1.

Coolstorybro

DaneMcCloud 02-12-2013 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9392469)
No, we see a talented QB with a lot of potential, and what should be easily fixed mechanical issues.

We also see an opportunity to take the best QB in his class, and understand there's some risk involved, but the potential reward is greater than the risk in this new CBA era.

That doesn't mean that he's worthy of #1 overall.

Being the best player in a draft doesn't necessarily equal success. I'm not stating that Smith won't have success, but this Do or Die mentality is quite frankly, ****ing stupid.

If the Chiefs select Smith, great! If they pass on him, great! Andy Reid is in a better position than anyone on Chiefsplanet (and just maybe, Planet Earth) to determine the best QB for the Kansas City Chiefs.

I'm not singling YOU out but this ****ing bullshit about him being a better prospect than Manning, Rivers, Rothlisberger, etc. and so on is not only a bunch of ****ing fan bullshit, it's a ****ing TURNOFF.

How many thousands of posts do we need to read about ****ing "Geno" before the Combines and draft?

It's really become sickening.

DaneMcCloud 02-12-2013 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9398719)
So you don't care that two of NFL Network's guys had Geno going #1 and a third on their website also had him going #1.

Coolstorybro

I don't give a flying ****

DaneMcCloud 02-12-2013 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9398717)
SAM MELLINGER YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN STUPID BEFORE WE FIX YOUR BRAIN, MAN

It's about general perception.

Aaron Curry is the greatest linebacker ever and he can be taught to rush the passer!

LMAO

the Talking Can 02-12-2013 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9398722)
That doesn't mean that he's worthy of #1 overall.

Being the best player in a draft doesn't necessarily equal success. I'm not stating that Smith won't have success, but this Do or Die mentality is quite frankly, ****ing stupid.

If the Chiefs select Smith, great! If they pass on him, great! Andy Reid is in a better position than anyone on Chiefsplanet (and just maybe, Planet Earth) to determine the best QB for the Kansas City Chiefs.

I'm not singling YOU out but this ****ing bullshit about him being a better prospect than Manning, Rivers, Rothlisberger, etc. and so on is not only a bunch of ****ing fan bullshit, it's a ****ing TURNOFF.

How many thousands of posts do we need to read about ****ing "Geno" before the Combines and draft?

It's really become sickening.

nah, what's sickening is reading this same stupid shit for 30 years...

it's pathetic that a Chiefs fan would even type it

Hammock Parties 02-12-2013 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9398722)
I'm not singling YOU out but this ****ing bullshit about him being a better prospect than Manning, Rivers, Rothlisberger
.

Literally not ONE PERSON has said this.

RealSNR 02-12-2013 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9398707)
http://mellinger.kansascity.com/entr...happelle-show/

@TheJeffReport convince me that the Chiefs not drafting a QB number one overall is the smart thing to do #TwitterTuesday
The inconvenient truth is that the Chiefs stunk one year too late. The NFL personnel community is unanimous that there is no sure franchise quarterback in this draft, and drafting a guy first overall won’t change that.

I’ve been pretty consistent on this: the Chiefs NEED to upgrade at quarterback during the offseason, but I don’t care how they do it. If they decide their own needs plus a particular quarterback’s ability is worth the first pick, then cool. But if they decide they can get a worthy quarterback later in the draft, or through a trade, then they should do that.

But taking a guy first overall won’t make him Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning or even Eli Manning. It might just mean they spent the highest NFL pick in franchise history on a guy they could’ve had in the second round.

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I'm sorry but I'm not just reading this shit from "National Guys" or whatnot.

At this point, there is no consensus.

Mellinger says this:

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But taking a guy first overall won’t make him Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning or even Eli Manning. It might just mean they spent the highest [B]NFL pick in franchise history on a guy they could’ve had in the second round.
He's getting the argument completely wrong. Andrew Luck and the Manning brothers aren't the standard. They're the exception.

Cam Newton had WAAAY more problems than Geno Smith coming out of college. Sam Bradford was (and still is) a broke dick who comes from a shitty QB school. Matt Stafford had the knock of being too reckless and throwing too many picks. He apparently still has that problem.

#1 overall doesn't mean you're a flawless prospect. It means you're the player that can most change a team's fortunes.

And that's Geno. Mellinger is a reerun if he doesn't think Geno is on the scale or better than the #1 overall guys I mentioned above.

DaneMcCloud 02-12-2013 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9398745)
Literally not ONE PERSON has said this.

LMAO

Sac?

Hello?

DaneMcCloud 02-12-2013 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9398748)
And that's Geno. Mellinger is a reerun if he doesn't think Geno is on the scale or better than the #1 overall guys I mentioned above.

I know.

But just the other day, earlier in this thread, I mentioned that many people feel like Smith is a 2nd round talent in any other draft, and was met with "Those are internet idiots" or "Yeah, but NOW, it's different".

Anyway, I thought it was somewhat pertinent to the discussion to post Smellinger's viewpoint.

Not an indictment.

Hammock Parties 02-12-2013 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9398757)
LMAO

Sac?

Hello?

I haven't seen him say it.

DaneMcCloud 02-12-2013 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9398733)
nah, what's sickening is reading this same stupid shit for 30 years...

it's pathetic that a Chiefs fan would even type it

I know - I'm with you.

I WANT the Chiefs to draft a QB in the first round and I WANT him to succeed.

But I'm not going to concede that Reid is a failure, an idiot, afraid, etc. if that doesn't happen. And the only reason I've even linked these stories is because there is some doubt as to whether the Chiefs WILL take a QB in the first round.

****, I pushed for Ryan. I pushed hard for Sanchez. I wasn't here last year but I would have given up every pick in 2012 for RGIII. I am in no way, shape or form against taking a QB at 1.1. None, zip, zero.

But, the perception is that no QB is WORTH taking at 1.1.

Personally, I find this to be very, very interesting.

RealSNR 02-12-2013 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9398760)
I know.

But just the other day, earlier in this thread, I mentioned that many people feel like Smith is a 2nd round talent in any other draft, and was met with "Those are internet idiots" or "Yeah, but NOW, it's different".

Anyway, I thought it was somewhat pertinent to the discussion to post Smellinger's viewpoint.

Not an indictment.

Geno wouldn't be a 2nd round talent in 2012, which was considered to be the gold standard of QB classes.

At least I don't think he would be. I mean... Tannehill and Weeden over Geno? Please. That's far-fetched.

Statements like "Geno is a 2nd round talent in any other year" are just hater bullshit. It's a stretch to say that just as much as it's a stretch to say he's flawless.

DaneMcCloud 02-12-2013 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9398767)
I haven't seen him say it.

Search him in this thread. He said he'd take Smith over ANY QB this CENTURY other than Luck.

I mean, come on. Really?

DaneMcCloud 02-12-2013 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9398772)
Statements like "Geno is a 2nd round talent in any other year" are just hater bullshit. It's a stretch to say that just as much as it's a stretch to say he's flawless.

I think it's interesting.

Interesting, because the word on the street is that none of these QB's are truly "First round talent". Interesting, that "No QB is worth 1.1", etc.

The Chiefs can take whomever they wish at 1.1, so I don't think they're pushing this propaganda.

So it'll be interesting to see how this shakes out.

Hammock Parties 02-12-2013 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9398781)
Interesting, because the word on the street is that none of these QB's are truly "First round talent". Interesting, that "No QB is worth 1.1", etc.

Apparently you haven't been to NFL Network street, because they have him going #1.


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