ROFL

It happened maybe 7 weeks ago. I assume you recall things from October. If not, see a doctor.

My guess is you actually have to have a witness to him driving before he they could give him a DUI or that he admits that he was driving.

That doesn't matter. He was drunk and in a running car.

He must have had the murder weapon(s) with him, too.

Your guess is wrong.

Is this an argument?

I hope not, for its sake.

I'm a little shocked the Commissioner hasn't fined Belcher yet.

ROFL

Turns out Belcher had an account here. I permabanned him. Patteeu is protesting.

coup, coup, coup

They aren't taken into custody? R u joking? Maybe im misunderstanding you. They are almost always taken into custody.

appears so. Even if you are sleeping in the back seat and the keys are in the ignition you could get a dui.

They say it is better if you sleep outside your car...lol

You do what you have to do, I suppose. But it's not always rainbows and peanut brittle.

I once slept off a hellish night of debauchery in my van. I woke up with trailer hitch face.

FAX

I wonder what would have ultimately happened had they arrested him.

Obviously the course of events that particular day would have changed and I very much believe Kasandra Perkins would still be alive.

Would she have left him? Or would she have come back to him, ultimately leading to the same result? Too bad we'll never know and too bad she never had the chance to make that decision.

Those cops have to feel like complete shit now.

Yes and you can choose to drug yourself up or not to.

This is a classic and very dramatic example of the Principle Of Happenstance, Mr. CaliforniaChief.

Throughout our lives, small and seemingly insignificant changes in occurrences or actions alter everything that follows. I think that's why God invented time ... so we wouldn't go crazy considering all the possible permutations and various potential outcomes. Because time is linear, we can't go back and change anything. What's more, because we're stuck in the "present", we never know what "might" have happened because of, or due to, the absence or existence of certain, particular events. Good thinking on God's part there.

Still, the mere thought makes you want to use quantum tunneling to visit some of the alternate universes and see what "might have been" in this one. Turn left, and you marry a rich, beautiful blond. Turn right, and you fall in a deep, nasty hole filled with crack hos. That's why I always turn left.

FAX

Things like this leave multiple crossroads to be examined, no doubt.

The counselor, their friends, family members, teammates, team administration, coaches, the police, etc...all are left asking "what if?"

The Yep doctor just prescribed a bottle of Yeps for this post.

FAX

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Jovan Belcher

That's horrible.

Too soon?

Here's pics of his other girlfriend Brittni Glass

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp...Belcher-5.jpeg

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp...-belcher-3.jpg

This dudes a dumbass. The 2nd girl was hotter all he had to do was leave.

Perhaps. I will say that your point is why I always get pissed when people say "well if this didn't happen then this woulda happened". For example, team gets 3 points instead of 7. Next drive other team gets 3. Person says well if we had scored a TD we would be leading by 4 right now. How can you say that? Who knows how that second drive turns out if you had scored a TD instead of a field goal. Hell, who knows how that 2nd drive turns out if there is a clock malfunction and the drive starts a minute later than it originally would have.

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11:18PM EST December 8. 2012 - At least a dozen members of the Kansas City Chiefs organization flew to Austin Saturday morning to attend a memorial service for Kasandra Perkins, the 22-year-old woman killed by Jovan Belcher, her Chiefs linebacker boyfriend, a week ago.

The Chiefs' contingent included at least 10 players, as well as team CEO Clark Hunt and general manager Scott Pioli. That group flew together from Austin to join the rest of the team in Cleveland Saturday evening. The Chiefs play the Browns on Sunday.

Linebacker Derrick Johnson and running back Jamaal Charles were among the players who attended the memorial service, the second such service for Perkins this week. Charles' wife, Whitney, was Perkins' first cousin, and Johnson's wife, Tamika, was a close friend.



The entire Chiefs team attended a service for Belcher in Kansas City earlier in the week, and some players may attend a later service in Long Island, N.Y. if their schedule permits.

But even after the burials are complete, players know they won't be done dealing with what happened a week ago, when Belcher fatally shot Perkins in their home and then killed himself in the parking lot of the team facility. Belcher's action left the couple's infant daughter, Zoey, an orphan.

"This isn't going to be just this season," Johnson told USA TODAY Sports on Friday. "This is going to linger. He is going to be missed, and Kasi is going to be missed for a long time."

Yea, too bad the other one had his baby.

This is the most press he has ever had. This is sad on so many levels.

You are a sorry excuse for a person to be making jokes about an unfortunate tragedy. Shame!

ROFL

No respect for the deceased eh? That's mature :p.

Who said I was mature? I'm an idiot.

Get it right n00b

Baby talk triggered NFL player Jovan Belcher's rage, leading to murder-suicide: sources

By JEANE MacINTOSH
Last Updated: 6:00 AM, December 14, 2012
Posted: 1:56 AM, December 14, 2012

EXCLUSIVE

The Long Island mother of Kansas City Chiefs football player Jovan Belcher told investigators her son argued with his girlfriend Kasandra Perkins over their baby’s paternity before he shot her dead and killed himself, The Post has learned. Cheryl Shepherd — who was in her son’s suburban Missouri home the morning he shot Perkins nine times — told investigators after the shootings that there were questions about whether the West Babylon, LI-raised linebacker was the father of the couple’s 3-month-old daughter, Zoey, said sources familiar with the situation.

“The mother believed that there was an issue over whether [Belcher] was the father,” said a source close to the Chiefs with knowledge of the situation.

“She said he [believed he] wasn’t necessarily the father of the child.”

A Kansas City law-enforcement source confirmed, “She told [police] there was a question about the paternity.”

It’s unclear if the paternity issue was the reason for the final, violent end of the troubled relationship between Belcher, 25, and Perkins, 22.

“But the implication was that [paternity] was what the two of them were fighting about — that the baby might not have been his,” a source said.

Belcher fatally shot Perkins at 7:50 a.m. Dec. 1 after a heated argument that started at 7 a.m.

Shepherd, who had been visiting the couple, called 911 after her son fled the bloody scene.

Before bolting, Belcher apologized and kissed the dying Perkins and their baby daughter good-bye, according to the Kansas City Star.

He then drove to his team’s practice facility and shot himself in the head in front of the team’s coach and the general manager.

Asked by a reporter this week to elaborate on details of the fight and the paternity comments made to police, a woman who answered Shepherd’s cellphone said, “There will be no comment.”

The woman, who declined to identify herself, said Shepherd “doesn’t have anything to say about that.”

The Chiefs had been providing Belcher and Perkins with counseling for relationship and financial issues, police have said.

Under the surviving-child benefit of the NFL’s collective-bargaining agreement, little Zoey stands to receive more than $1 million.

NFL players-union spokesman George Atallah did not respond to several calls or e-mails asking whether the payout plan was contingent on a paternity test.

The child is slated to get $108,000 annually over the next four years, $48,000 in the fifth year and then $52,000 each year until she’s 18 — or 23, if she attends college.

Belcher’s beneficiary also will get $600,000 in life insurance, a $100,000 retirement account and $200,000 for each season he played. Belcher was in his fourth season with the Chiefs.

A Kansas City police spokeswoman said the baby’s paternity wouldn’t be part of the department’s murder-suicide probe.

“That would not be something they’re going to investigate,” said Sgt. Marisa Barnes. “It’s a ‘he-said, she-said’ so there’s no way to investigate. It would be nothing more than a civil matter.“

Police are expected to wrap up their investigation and present it to prosecutors as early as this week, Barnes said.

The night before the fatal argument, Perkins had been to a concert with friends. Belcher went out for dinner and drinks with another girlfriend, and cops found him passed out in his Bentley outside her apartment complex at 3 a.m. Belcher went back into the building to spend the night after cops woke him up.

Belcher and Perkins started dating in 2010 after being introduced by her cousin, Whitney Charles, who is married to Chiefs running back Jamaal Charles.

Zoey was born in September, and Facebook photos show a beaming Perkins and Belcher showing off their bundle of joy.

But the couple’s relationship was rocky. Perkins returned to her native Texas around Halloween, and later briefly moved in with Whitney and Jamaal Charles, friends said.

By Thanksgiving, Perkins was back with Belcher in their modest, three-bedroom home.

Belcher’s mom has temporary custody of the baby, but a permanent guardian has not been named.

Perkins’ family — who brought Zoey to a Texas memorial for her slain young mom last week — indicated that they will be involved in her upbringing.

“We will raise Baby Zoey in the knowledge of the love from which she was born,” Perkins’ family said in a statement.

The “loyal, honest and trusting” Perkins, they said, “was dedicated to starting her new family and beyond excited about being a mother to her sweet baby.”

There was no mention of Belcher at the service.

Family members declined to comment on the paternity issue.

“There has been a disheartening amount of rumors and speculation surrounding the tragic loss of our Kasi,” the family statement said.

“No one will every truly know why this happened, nor is there anything to be said that could justify or ease our pain.”

Additional reporting by Amber Sutherland in Austin, Texas, and Tara Palmeri in Kansas City, Mo.

So there were three people in the apartment? So I guess we know who the "source" is, right. Well, I guess she could have told someone what happened and then they told.

How does someone who hasn't had any problems before, besides breaking a window, all of a sudden murder someone?

"Cocaine is a helluva drug"

Well, this pretty much flies in the face of what Belcher's "friend" told Deadspin.

If Kasi was wanting Belcher's money, why would she openly confront him with the possibility that the child wasn't his and she was therefore not entitled to any of his money?

I read it as Belcher having doubts, not Kasi...
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You're right. The implied statements make it somewhat difficult to read.

“She said he [believed he] wasn’t necessarily the father of the child.”

Meaning Belcher, not Perkins.

As much as the NFL and Kasi's family may not want to know the truth here, they need to find out of Belcher was the father or not. Is her being raised a millionaire by a family of the man who killed her mother and who is of no relation to her worth the money? Would you and your family stand for this or would you want her back even if it meant it could cost her potential benefits.

What a mess. What I want to know is are all of these benefits new to the collective bargaining agreement or did they also cover Derrick Thomas' kids in the same manner?

I don't see how it's not his kid.

She looks a lot like him.

It's a double-edged sword. If he's not the father, his family has virtually no rights and Kasi's family then has complete say over how she is raised.

However, if they go out of their way to prove he's not the father, I'm sure the NFL will go out of their way to make sure she never receives a dime of the benefits they've said she'll get because she never was the daughter of an NFL player.

The way the laws are set up its to protect (and care for) the child:

If belcher wasnt the father by paternity, but raised the child as his, than he will still pay child support. Even if his name isnt on the birth certificate. This can be the case even without a formal marriage or common law marriage. If a court deems that a man has taken on the fatherly responsibilities for a child than he is on the hook b/c it is in the best interest of the child.

There have been plenty of instances where men have to pay spousal support even in cases of infidelity before and during the marriage if he is the primary bread-winner.

If he is not the father I don't see how she's legally entitled to his benefits. The couple WAS NOT MARRIED. The NFL can give some sort of payoff to help the kid and make a good gesture but I do not see how Belcher's family is entitled to a dime if he is not the father.

Not to mention, they should not be allowed to have custody of the child PERIOD.

so the theory of someone mentioning that the father could have been someone else at the Chiefs facility and Belcher went there with a hunch to do more damage, actually a possible theory now?

I saw this mentioned by another poster (forget who) early on here and I think people dismissed it, but if there paternity turns out it's not his kid, and it's someone elses, especially part of the team (or was), then well, I dont know but as the stones keep getting uncovered, all theories sound possible at this point.

Joe Horn is back in town

I saw this bumped and thought he shot himself again?

This is what happens when everyone is ****ing everyone. It's a great time until you have a little screamer on your hands and you're forced into a relationship neither of necessarily wanted or were ready for.

Jovan: Peek-a-boo!
Zoey: [shits pants]
Jovan: No, no! Don't cry, little baby! Here's your pacifier.
Zoey: [lets it fall to the ground]
Jovan: Ok, how about something to eat then?
Zoey: [eats three jars of baby food]
Jovan: DAMMIT KASANDRA! How could you sleep with Brady Quinn, Dwayne Bowe, and Coach Crennel!

Celebrating Diversity? :hump:

Gitch-y gitch-y gooooo....!

They should have just went on Maury and be done with it.

I think that was drama queen and now he actually has somebody biting into his madness.

raises hand.

nope that was me.

there is a user on here actually called "drama queen?"

well then i take back my statement, thought it was a user one here of credible posting caliber.

lol, i dont think he was talking about me, but i could be wrong

The public will believe anything

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...child/1769251/

KC Police denying paternity was an issue.

Javon....you are NOT the father!

Audience: ohhhhhhh!!!!

As I said, the public will believe anything.

but his MOTHER WHO WAS THERE said it might have been.

i wonder who we are to believe

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Whatever

Well she stands to lose a shit ton of money and even access to the baby if it's true so I don't know why she would lie about it. Oher than trying to call the girl a slut and somehow try to convince herself that she had it coming.

Actually, if Zoey isn't Jovan's, then mamma may get the insurance money as a beneficiary.

Baby momma' needs more carries.

What insurance? Life insurance? Life insurance doesnt pay on suicides.

Yeah it does. There's a link you can find in the last page or 2 (80 post pages, 4-8 pages on 15 post pages) that will show you the payouts. There was also a discussion much earlier in the thread that touched on this. I thought like you did in regards to suicide and life insurance. Turns out, they still pay.

AFLAC! (duck beats Belcher across the middle for a TD)

Huh....who knew? Thanks.

Obviously this is billy cundiffs kid. He always blows a load all up in that Grbac fold

“That would not be something they’re going to investigate,” said Sgt. Marisa Barnes. “It’s a ‘he-said, she-said’ so there’s no way to investigate. It would be nothing more than a civil matter.“

...

WTF?!?

That little girl might still have a dad and they don't think that's important?

The cops should have put Belcher in jail for DUI and that would have prevented the murders...now, they aren't even gonna try to find out if the child has a real dad out there?

That's ****ed up and makes me think LOTS more is being held back in this story.

Assuming he hadn't made Kasi the beneficiary in which case it would go to her estate, correct?

Whenever I have questions about insurance I call Herb Tarlek...

It's not a crime to not know who your father, therefore the cops wouldn't care. Since the shooter and the victim are now dead, investigating the cause and further is a waste of time and money.

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You know what I'm sayin

Sorry for the weird bump. Wanting to read something in this thread and I can't seem to view it anywhere but mobile.Sorry for any inconvenience.
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