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'Hamas' Jenkins 07-31-2014 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 10777898)
The Cardinals made a $60 million profit last year and reduced payroll this year. I'm not worried about "just another guy" salary keeping us from competing.

There has to have been tension between Mo and Matheny over Craig/OT playing time. Maybe Mo finally said enough is enough?
And if they made 60+ million last year and Matheny's contract is less than 10 for the duration, just fire the mother****er who's the real problem.

Swanman 07-31-2014 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10777859)
Sorry guys, I don't like this trade at all.

Craig was awful this year. Awful. But I think that's almost all due to his foot injury. I think if we gave him another year he could right things. Granted, we don't have a spot to play him, but I think had we waited for him to rebuild some of his value we might have been able to turn him into a more valuable piece. His wRC the last three years were 151, 137, and 134. That is a lot of offensive production to lose. I don't know if you can say he just fell off a ****ing cliff. It's gotta be the foot, and those do heal.

Kelly is just a guy, but he is cost-controlled.

This doesn't fix any underlying problems with the offense and Lackey is one of the worst people in professional baseball.

It opens up space for Oscar, so I get it, but I just don't know.
I don't hate the trade. Lackey is old but he is insanely cheap next year ($500k) and has been a good pitcher. Kelly just kinda sucks. He never gets into the late innings and misses a bat every couple months. Craig, while having some great numbers in the past, does have an extensive injury history and players like that seem to always be hurt. Not to mention Craig's contract right now is not a good one at all for the Cards given his falloff.

If Wacha comes back, your 5-man looks like this:

Waino
Wacha
Lynn
Lackey
Masterson

That's a damn sight better than the shitheap we have right now.

BigRedChief 07-31-2014 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10777894)
Allen Craig was as close to a WS MVP in 2011 as you can get w/o winning the award. I'll always look kindly upon him for that.
Just like Freese. They were essential pieces that brought us a higkly unlikely WS title. Played major roles in one of the best games evah. At least to me, They will always be welcome as Cardinals.

O.city 07-31-2014 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10777900)
Biggest issue is Matheny. If they fired Matheny, this isn't an issue. Craig starts at first against every LHP, spells Holliday 20 starts per year, another 20 or so for Oscar, plus DH games in Interleague. You can also PH him late against LHP or when a weak hitter in up.

A smart manager should be able to get 570 PAs out of Holliday and Taveras, 500+ from Adams, and another 300 from Craig.
Easily. However..

A. Matheny isn't going anywhere

B. I think they feel Craig is done and seeing a chance to move him they took it.

He was a big part of success here, but we don't really have a spot. With Piscotty and the others coming on, it would be cheaper and likely as successful to give the abs to them over Craig who has hit his ceiling and is likely on a downward trend anyway.

King_Chief_Fan 07-31-2014 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10777902)
And if they made 60+ million last year and Matheny's contract is less than 10 for the duration, just fire the mother****er who's the real problem.
Matheny's favorite son crap has got to go.

O.city 07-31-2014 11:43 AM
Miller has to be a part of the rotation going forward too though.

'Hamas' Jenkins 07-31-2014 11:47 AM
Not firing Matheny while trading prospects and Allen Craig to get pitchers with an offense that is next-to-last in baseball is the very definition of penny-wise and pound-foolish.

ShowtimeSBMVP 07-31-2014 11:59 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Source: Lackey has told <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/STLCards?src=hash">#STLCards</a> he plans to honor his club option. No extension at this time.</p>&mdash; Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/statuses/494904965761355776">July 31, 2014</a></blockquote>
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'Hamas' Jenkins 07-31-2014 12:05 PM
Which means he becomes a FA after 2015. Consensus seems to be a handshake agreement not to tender him a QO so that he can garner more interest on the open market and bank another payday.

That also means huge surplus value for the Cardinals.

BigRedChief 07-31-2014 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 10777953)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Source: Lackey has told <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/STLCards?src=hash">#STLCards</a> he plans to honor his club option. No extension at this time.</p>&mdash; Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/statuses/494904965761355776">July 31, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Yeah, I was thinking there is no way he plays for 500K but he has made a lot of money in his career and its about over. When he walks after 2015, someone will sign him and we will get a compensation pick

Marcellus 07-31-2014 12:13 PM
I like the trade only because I have zero faith Craig is going to revert to form.

Now watch, Matheny is going to put PB in center and Jay in RF half of the time.

BigRedChief 07-31-2014 12:19 PM
Also got this throw in project

Corey Littrell, 22, was a starter for Salem of the Class A Carolina League. He is 5-5 with a 3.60 ERA and 91 strikeouts in 100 innings this season.

BigRedChief 07-31-2014 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10777984)
I like the trade only because I have zero faith Craig is going to revert to form.

Now watch, Matheny is going to put PB in center and Jay in RF half of the time.
Holy crap, I forgot about that. Damn, I bet he does just that.:banghead:

BigRedChief 07-31-2014 12:47 PM
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Marco Polo 07-31-2014 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10777969)
Which means he becomes a FA after 2015. Consensus seems to be a handshake agreement not to tender him a QO so that he can garner more interest on the open market and bank another payday.

That also means huge surplus value for the Cardinals.
Which means Cards could also trade him next summer for some prospects since our pitching will hopefully have a surplus then and we probably won't re-sign him?

MIAdragon 07-31-2014 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 10777953)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Source: Lackey has told <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/STLCards?src=hash">#STLCards</a> he plans to honor his club option. No extension at this time.</p>&mdash; Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/statuses/494904965761355776">July 31, 2014</a></blockquote>
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No way this happens.


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