Originally Posted by ChiefGator (Post 13197613)

You think? My belief is people who want to bet on games are already finding ways to bet. And those that don't, probably don't care to.

I'm in the later group though, so I may be wrong.

Originally Posted by rico (Post 13195733)

The ones I know who have stopped watching, have done so because they don't want to see or hear about the protests.

My dad stopped watching and stopped maintaining or even checking his fantasy football teams because of the protests... So did my brother. One of my best friends stopped watching, not necessarily because he is offended by the protests, but because he is sick of hearing about them/seeing them when he watches. A couple guys I work with did this as well. A few acquaintances here and there. Really, I know of quite a few people from my area who stopped watching because of it.

It's been really annoying. These NFL players are going to feel the way they do about sociological/political issues and that is their right and no one should ever prevent them from formulating their opinions. However, it becomes annoying if they actually believe their protests during football games are going to accomplish anything in their favor. It becomes even more annoying when some (probably most) of these players don't even understand the reasons as to why they are protesting...they are doing it while simultaneously not understanding the complexities of the situation and/or are attempting to garner attention via being the distraction that they know it is causing. It annoys me when I want to have an NFL football conversation with someone who usually enjoys the NFL, but cuts me off mid-sentence to let me know that they aren't watching because they are disgruntled about the protests.

I'm not going to get into their right to protest and what-not...I understand that it's their right to do what they are doing...It's just annoying because I see what they are doing as being counter-productive. Yes, I understand that I am from a non-populated area, so there is probably a smaller, less diverse sample size in terms of who I have spoken to. But it's not like there aren't multiple regions across the nation that are similar to my own...it adds up. For these players who actually do feel passionate about the sociological issues they claim to be protesting and are trying to make a statement (not just try to garner attention), I just wish they would make their statement somewhere else or in some different way because purposely protesting during the games will accomplish nothing for their cause. If anything, it will make things worse. I enjoy the NFL and really dislike the apathy of the longtime fans that has resulted due to the protests.

Originally Posted by Dinny Bossa Nova (Post 13195794)

Look on the bright side, little buddy.

You're not the only dipshit in the family.

Dinny

Originally Posted by cooper barrett (Post 13197669)

It took Dinny a awhile to understand that "Dilly Dilly" was insulting his intelegence, or lack there of. But he too learned.

Kaepernik can't be given a job as a practice squad back up's backup because he single handedly caused more damage to the NFL's Brand than any person, group, or organization ever has.

Don't forget York allowed it and doesn't get all the credit he deserves.:D:D: Drop his ass in the deepest sector of the cops "No Go" zone and see if his stance of supporting Kaep gets him out unscathed.

NFL will be better off without him in a leadership role and after this season, I doubt he will be.

Originally Posted by idrapethat (Post 13196516)

Anecdotal evidence...I have to watch the game at my parents' house because I don't have cable. Football is literally the only thing I need a TV to enjoy.

Originally Posted by cooper barrett (Post 13197655)

So what you're both saying in different ways is that once both sports tried to "grow" their business instead of enjoying their success. trying to get more market share and more money, the fans seemed to lose interest, ratings fell, and suddenly the fan base was one that really didn't give a real shit about the sport but were just there because it used to be cool?

I personally would watch more football if it were a sport again and not so much an entertainment program. When helmets used to come off and the fights ensued the NFL started going to commercial... Been going downhill ever since.

When NFL Football and NASCAR Had to be everything to everybody, I for one slowly lost interest.

Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 13196709)

I have to hand it to the guys that were saying Papa Johns pizza sucks. I hadn't ordered one for years so I gave it a shot last night. Some meth head shows up with my pizza and some wings last night after about an hour. They got one of the ingredients wrong but it was close enough so I tied into the first piece. It was so salty I though I was eating a salt block. All I could choke down was one piece. I literally wouldn't even give it to my dogs, I just tossed it. The wings were soso, but nothing I would ever order again. They also forgot the ranch with the order. Papa John and old 5 head can both kiss my ass.

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 13197020)

ROFL

I haven't had one of their pizza's in years but when they first went national, it was pretty good. Definitely better than the other chains at the time. But that happens to every pizza company; the bigger they get, the worse the quality becomes over time. Pizza Hut today is NOTHING like it was in the 70's and early 80's.
As near as I can tell, only Dominoes has made an effort to keep the crust legit and evolve with the times in terms of toppings. A lot of people seem to dislike them, though. Godfathers seems to be making a comeback but I haven't been compelled to give them a try.
Most people I know buy a good cheese pizza at the store and then load it up with their own toppings. I like making a Chef Boyardee pizza now and again myself. If you can make one of those work, you definitely know your shit.

As to the football...

I started watching pro ball in the mid 70's as a youngster. Off the top of my head I would say that the pro game was golden from the time of the AFL until about the mid 2000's. From the time I turned KC off(1999-2008)until I came back, you could tell that the entire tone of the game had changed, and not for the better. It didn't help that the Chiefs were sucking heap big shit at the time, but even the teams that were doing well weren't churning out a very watchable product. The focus had shifted almost entirely to offense and the elements of defensive play that had brought me to the table to begin with were dead or dying.
I just looked up Goodell's tenure: 2006-present. What a shock. I'm shocked I say. Jeez...
And now, certain elements of everyday living and the assault of politics that we could all enjoy a break from on Sunday have become a part of the package as well. It's no surprise to me at all that people are turning away or becoming less involved. Add to that the growing suspicion of a scripted outcome, and it's the beginning of the end.

Originally Posted by cooper barrett (Post 13197676)

CP should start you a "Go Fund Me" page> Nobody should be forced to watch TV at their parents house

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13197736)

Unless its to share some Dad/Son time?:hmmm:

Originally Posted by cooper barrett (Post 13197906)

Just got a call from SO who reminded me to get all the Football in that I can because the days are numbered to be able to watch live games...

So I would say that wives, GF's and SO's are becoming more and more a force on what you do on Sundays, and Mondays and Thursday nights. I know mine isn't happy when I spend that much time on the sofa watching games.

Originally Posted by cooper barrett (Post 13197906)

Just got a call from SO who reminded me to get all the Football in that I can because the days are numbered to be able to watch live games...

So I would say that wives, GF's and SO's are becoming more and more a force on what you do on Sundays, and Mondays and Thursday nights. I know mine isn't happy when I spend that much time on the sofa watching games.

Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 13194822)

Do people actually watch games on their phones? I pads? Laptops?

I am to the point where I am thinking about replacing the 12 year old 50 inch Tv, wanting a bigger one.

Originally Posted by cooper barrett (Post 13197758)

Plus the only beer at home was Falstaff or Schlitz...

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13196557)

Direct TV NOW has more than 130 channels, including HBO, Showtime, Starz/Encore and Cinemax. It *looks* like they don't have as many channels because it's not necessary to promote 12 HBO's, 4 Cinemax, 16 Starz/Encore, etc., but if you look carefully, every channel that you'd presumably want is there. The price for every channel is $96 dollars, substantially less than the cost of a satellite, DVR, DVR service, HD service and the Premium package.

As for Sunday Ticket, I've been told that just like every other channel, it's a licensing agreement issue and that it's very possible that it will be available next Fall for Direct TV NOW.

Direct TV would be wise to open up Sunday Ticket to non-Direct TV subscribers but as in most cases, dinosaurs run these companies and they're generally 5 years behind the public's needs.

Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 13198180)

FYI - you can get nfl sunday ticket streaming pretty easily if you know someone with a valid student email: https://nflst.directv.com/?CMP=LEC-P1-FM-EM-G-10072001

You can also do the same if you know someone in a place that can't get DTV (house, apartment complex etc.)

It's not very hard to get around the eligibility.

Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 13198245)

This was in the Minneapolis paper today-from Patrick Reusse. I'm unable to get an electronic copy but it sums up with a lot of people are feeling. Apologies for sideways.

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13198297)

Thanks I will check this out once I learn how to permanently crank my head sideways

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13198297)

Thanks I will check this out once I learn how to permanently crank my head sideways

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13198297)

Thanks I will check this out once I learn how to permanently crank my head sideways

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13198297)

Thanks I will check this out once I learn how to permanently crank my head sideways

Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 13198245)

This was in the Minneapolis paper today-from Patrick Reusse. I'm unable to get an electronic copy but it sums up with a lot of people are feeling. Apologies for sideways.

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Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 13198353)

Last time I did it on tapatalk it was fine. Then today-ugh. Sorry cooper.

Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58 (Post 13198430)

Vin Scully: 'I will never watch another NFL game again'


Vin Scully said Saturday night that he will “never watch another NFL game” in response to the ongoing demonstrations by some players during the national anthem.

Speaking at “An Evening with Vin Scully” at the Pasadena Civic Auditorium on Saturday, the longtime Los Angeles Dodgers announcer was asked about the response from owners, players and commissioner Roger Goodell to the demonstrations, which players have used to protest racial injustice and police brutality.

“I have only one personal thought, really. And I am so disappointed,” Scully said, according to multiple videos of the moment posted on social media. “I used to love, during the fall and winter, to watch the NFL on Sunday. And it’s not that I’m some great patriot. I was in the Navy for a year. Didn’t go anywhere. Didn’t do anything. But I have overwhelming respect and admiration for anyone who puts on a uniform and goes to war. So the only thing I can do in my little way is not to preach. I will never watch another NFL game.”

Scully, who will celebrate his 90th birthday later this month, retired last fall after 67 seasons as a broadcaster for the Dodgers. He also contributed to NFL and PGA Tour broadcasts on CBS from 1975 to 1982.

Scully has largely remained out of the public eye since retiring, though he did participate in a first-pitch ceremony before Game 2 of the World Series late last month, appearing alongside former Dodgers Steve Yeager and Fernando Valenzuela.

Video in link

https://apple.news/AIj4G0-MAQDmTivHOeEYPLQ

Originally Posted by cooper barrett (Post 13198458)

It was a webp doc you can edit and add this as a copied image location image

Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 13198542)

That was nice of you, now old broke-down ****s like Bryan Busby, who can't turn a laptop sideways, can read it!

Originally Posted by cooper barrett (Post 13198573)

Just for Busby, I'd do the same for Witlock

Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 13198542)

That was nice of you, now old broke-down ****s like Bryan Busby, who can't turn a laptop sideways, can read it!

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13198641)

You'll have to excuse me for not being a poor and having a real monitor.

Originally Posted by cooper barrett (Post 13198650)

You could turn the tablet 90 degreesROFLROFLROFLROFL

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13198641)

You'll have to excuse me for not being a poor and having a real monitor.

Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 13198670)

JFC, how old are your monitors? Don't you have a laptop (or three) laying around? How about a smart phone?

You suck at computing like you do at weather!

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13198652)

My butler doesn't work Sundays

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13198675)

Shit, I need spinnerz for my tv's

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 13302905)

http://www.dailywire.com/news/25030/...ign=benshapiro

Baltimore now begging fans to come to games.

Originally Posted by Eleazar (Post 13302916)

I personally don't care about the protests, but I'm finding it shocking how many people out there do. I've seen a lot of people in my circle posting that they didn't buy any merch for Christmas this year, or that they haven't been to a game this year because of it. Generally these people are over 40 or 50, but I think generally the crowd at NFL games and especially season ticket holders is over 40. (Who else can afford it?)

It's surprised me how many posts I have seen from people who see kneeling for the anthem as disrespecting veterans and military personnel and the country in general, not just the stated aim of disrespecting police.

I guess I was in disbelief that it was the protests, and there are a variety of factors in play, causing attendance to be down league-wide, but maybe the protests are the biggest factor...?

Originally Posted by Eleazar (Post 13302916)

I guess I was in disbelief that it was the protests, and there are a variety of factors in play, causing attendance to be down league-wide, but maybe the protests are the biggest factor...?

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 13302939)

No...the overt price-gouging is the main factor. Going to a game is a freaking hassle let alone costing $400+ for two people.

I had free tickets to the Eagles game...and was bored. I'm sure it was a lot more exciting before the internet and people had nothing else to do. Football is a better experience on TV...when recorded so you can FF through 1 1/2 hours of soul-sucking commercials.

NFL can blame the anthem...but the truth is it's not worth the money anymore. Goodell tried to make this sport bigger than it was...and banked on their fans being dumber than they thought.

Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 13302950)

The bottom line is that it's no "one thing", it's many things..

Originally Posted by Strongside (Post 13302979)

All this makes the Gooddell extension even more baffling to me.

Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 13302925)

I scored two tix to Sunday's Chiefs game for $30 each. The lower part of the upper deck, on the 50 yard line, so the view should be good. The parking pass was $25 from a FB friend. It'll be cold as a witch's tit, but we should have fun.

Plus, the Chiefs need me!

Originally Posted by 007 (Post 13302986)

It's cute that you think the game this Sunday is that cold. Thats nothing.

Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 13303086)

I wonder how Pats fans feel? At some point, to possibly add to why the NFL is in decline, is how people in places like KC, Detroit, and Cleveland project their team's lack of success in terms of the ultimate goal with being upset with , or disinterested in, the league? That may play off of a previous comment about ownership, but I'm sure Pat fans think highly of the league, and how the league has protected their star player's health and wins?

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 13302925)

I scored two tix to Sunday's Chiefs game for $30 each. The lower part of the upper deck, on the 50 yard line, so the view should be good. The parking pass was $25 from a FB friend. It'll be cold as a witch's tit, but we should have fun.

Plus, the Chiefs need me!

Originally Posted by MichaelH (Post 13194539)

One thing they could do is to make the games more accessible to other viewing mediums like MLB does. As the article states, more people just aren't watching TV the way they used to.

Maybe another thing to do is get rid of the announcers. I find them mostly irritating and turn down the game and turn up the music.

Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 13303131)

But I'll still watch every Sunday and I'll still buy Sunday Ticket(the years I don't get it free)because fantasy football and gambling on football is just to damn fun to give up!

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 13302939)

No...the overt price-gouging is the main factor. Going to a game is a freaking hassle let alone costing $400+ for two people.

I had free tickets to the Eagles game...and was bored. I'm sure it was a lot more exciting before the internet and people had nothing else to do. Football is a better experience on TV...when recorded so you can FF through 1 1/2 hours of soul-sucking commercials.

NFL can blame the anthem...but the truth is it's not worth the money anymore. If you're into tailgating...then it becomes a social experience...like a Grateful Dead concert...but other than that I dont see the value.

Goodell tried to make this sport appear more important than it was...and banked on the fans being dumber than they thought.

Originally Posted by Strongside (Post 13302979)

All this makes the Gooddell extension even more baffling to me.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13303188)

With legalized Sports Gambling coming down the pike, the NFL will be become more popular than ever.

Originally Posted by tmax63 (Post 13303194)

The NFL is/has gradually priced itself out of the market that made them. Not as many people out there who will drop $4-5 hundred for a few hours of entertainment. Once the base gets disenfranchised and moves on to something else the sponsors will leave as well. Won't happen in the next 5 years but I'd bet you see a major drawback from where they are today in 10 years.

Originally Posted by tmax63 (Post 13303194)

The NFL is/has gradually priced itself out of the market that made them.

Originally Posted by tmax63 (Post 13303194)

Not as many people out there who will drop $4-5 hundred for a few hours of entertainment.

Originally Posted by tmax63 (Post 13303194)

Once the base gets disenfranchised and moves on to something else the sponsors will leave as well.

Originally Posted by tmax63 (Post 13303194)

Won't happen in the next 5 years but I'd bet you see a major drawback from where they are today in 10 years.

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 13303197)

I suppose in towns with perennial winners (the few that there are), the price is accepted because, you know, they're supporting perennial winners. For the other 85% of the league, it just isn't worth the price you pay.

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 13303197)

To apply it to Arrowhead for me personally, once they changed the rules of tailgating, they effectively killed my desire to drop big coin to go watch their product. The tailgate was just as much fun as the game for us since the product on the field when I had my tickets wasn't worth a shit.

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 13303197)

The investment is not worth the return for me anymore, especially considering I can go have fun at a number of sports bars and spend less money, or just stay at home with the big screen and Red Zone.

Originally Posted by Best22 (Post 13303090)

Pats fans hate Gooddell and the league because he suspended their quarterback. They openly mocked him during the Thursday night season opener

Originally Posted by jaa1025 (Post 13302984)

I can't, for any reason, understand the extension.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13303188)

With legalized Sports Gambling coming down the pike, the NFL will be become more popular than ever.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 13303065)

-oversaturation including Europe games nobody wants
-overpriced tickets and parking
-absurdly bad TV deal that restricts access unless you own a dish, while other leagues are expanding local and streaming
-incompetent owners like Mike brown and Jim irsay who will never be replaced. Largely because revenue sharing allows incompetent owners to still profit handsomely
-disinterested owners with no fresh ideas on improving the game experience (terrible halftime shows, in game music, etc...)
-injuries have made several teams unwatchable
-relocation mania to an LA market that struggled big time with attendance with 2 teams
-over emphasis on penalizing defenses. And too many flags in general
-horrible marketing. Very few marketable superstars

The NFL was on the decline. The anthem reaction was the straw that broke the camels back. If the NFL was a watchable product, the reaction wouldn't be nearly as severe. In most of the above cases, the owners and Goodell chose profits over the fan experience.

Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 13303131)

Garbage quality of play. Every week you have maybe a couple of good games. Maybe. Games are over officiated and several major rules/interpretations are unclear to most of the players, let alone the fans. Several points others have made about stale coaches and players. Bad play calling that most fans could see backfiring(4th and 1, "let's go for it!" Runs up the middle for loss of 1).

Originally Posted by Best22 (Post 13303090)

Pats fans hate Gooddell and the league because he suspended their quarterback. They openly mocked him during the Thursday night season opener

Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 13303103)

I think people are sick of hearing about the Cowboys and all the ways their 7% chance to make the playoffs will unfold.

Seriously, though. People are sick of hearing the story lines about the media darlings and watching the same handful of teams have any shot a a ring.

95% Cowboys fans don't give a shit about football unless their team is championship caliber.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13303236)

False


$400-500 per person? What?



I guess I don't know who the average fan is anymore. I know I can't really afford to drop that kind of money for a product I can see better on the TV.
I'll clarify, $4-500 for 2 people. I don't go to events like a ballgame by myself routinely. Mama would be pizzed if I left her at home.

Originally Posted by cooper barrett (Post 13303815)

I am surprised they haven't banned tailgating as we know it. What,you don't think Carl(the ass) Peterson didn't consider it? I know for a fact he walked through the lots and saw money begging to be separated from fans.

It's probably a "scared to do" thing but can teams control their total parking areas to that extent?

Will we see beer and food trucks parked in the lots and be forced to purchase all alcohol from them or risk being ejected and loose your seat?