Do you really know what Alex Smith biggest problem is?

It's Andy Reid pass pass pass attempts. Even when they run a run play it's a GOD DAM MOTHER ****ING DRAW. So Alex is passing it 35-45+ times a game and he just isn't a gun slinging quarterback. He needs a run game so he can play action like he did with Gore and Vernon Davis that's how he got his success in San Francisco. Alex is worn out because of Andy Reid pass attempts a game. Yet only 15 touchdowns for the season go figure ?

"We were going to take you if we didn't already have Alex".

Andy telling that to Carr at the pro bowl should signify one shining beam of hope: Dorsey is scouting QB's hard just like every position we've seen him look to upgrade since he was hired.

Dorsey is scouting these guys every year and Andy isn't wanting to take them unless they are mid round projects. This is 100% on Andy

Cold comfort. If Smith doesn't realize this by now, he won't.

And after '17 ends in the same way '16 does, we'll be one season closer to FA for some key players, one season further into the primes of others.

That conversation would be akin to me begging my dogs to learn math. "Seriously Patton, if you don't realize that 2*2 equals 4, they're going to kill us both...."

Seems like it would be better to just ask my kid. The dog ain't gonna get it done but give me some time with the 3 year old and I might just get lucky.

It's a passing League. KC was ranked 25th in pass attempts per game.

KC was ranked 17th on OL run blocking this season.. Last season, they were ranked 5th.. the year before 7th.. the year before 2nd.

Think about that for a minute (no condescension intended).

The problem is either ANDY REID or ANDY REID... or the OL.. and let me explain.

Either the OL just sucked at run blocking....

or Andy's sideways BS playcalling, and lack of deep shot testicles is putting defenses on notice to move up closer and key the run. (seems unfathomable with guys like Hill and Kelce, right?)

or Alex's testes are so minuscule, that he simply will not take the time or effort in backing off the D with aggression.

So which is it? because I'll tell you... even if... EVEN IF... it is 100% Alex Smith?

then the problem... is ANDY REID. He is the HC and OC. He is in charge of his QB. If Smith is not doing what his HC and OC want... and is still on the field..

then it's still ON ANDY REID.


Agree or disagree?

The KC Media needs to start punching Andy Reid in the mouth about Alex Smith. Prove to us why he believes Alex deserves another shot. I don't see a single reason to give it to him. What is it that makes Andy ****ing Reid believe it? Is it the countless plays per game that Alex leaves on the field that makes him believe? Turn up the ****ing heat on this.

So when it's Alex's fault.....it's not really his fault?

either you are being silly with me, or you can not comprehend what you read...

You just said.....that even if it's 100% Alex's fault......it's Andy Reid.

This was expected. No NFL team is dumping their starting QB after a 12-4 season.

2018 remains the goal.

And no contract extension.

AGREED

BTW Here's YAC by team for the 2016 season...

https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/s...atistics/2016/

And YES, the Chiefs did lead all teams as a % of total receiving yards

Here's the data sorted ... I know it will suck to look at but I'm not in the mood to upload a spreadsheet

Rank Team Rec Rec Yards YAC/R Yards After Catch YAC%orRECYDS
6 Kansas City Chiefs 365 3,914 5.82 2,126 54.3%
3 New England Patriots 368 4,456 6.34 2,334 52.4%
4 Detroit Lions 388 4,327 5.74 2,228 51.5%
7 Minnesota Vikings 414 4,119 5.09 2,108 51.2%
10 New York Giants 377 4,027 5.39 2,031 50.4%
17 Miami Dolphins 316 3,716 5.86 1,851 49.8%
5 Baltimore Ravens 439 4,343 4.88 2,142 49.3%
18 Philadelphia Eagles 380 3,798 4.85 1,843 48.5%
14 Jacksonville Jaguars 369 3,925 5.16 1,904 48.5%
8 San Diego Chargers 349 4,386 6.04 2,108 48.1%
2 Atlanta Falcons 374 4,960 6.37 2,382 48.0%
13 Oakland Raiders 379 4,137 5.2 1,969 47.6%
26 Los Angeles Rams 312 3,313 5.02 1,567 47.3%
28 San Francisco 49ers 287 3,166 5.16 1,482 46.8%
1 New Orleans Saints 472 5,258 5.17 2,439 46.4%
9 Green Bay Packers 403 4,445 5.09 2,053 46.2%
22 New York Jets 311 3,645 5.32 1,653 45.3%
12 Pittsburgh Steelers 381 4,377 5.18 1,972 45.1%
15 Cincinnati Bengals 364 4,206 5.17 1,883 44.8%
23 Cleveland Browns 338 3,693 4.88 1,648 44.6%
16 Seattle Seahawks 368 4,422 5.08 1,870 42.3%
20 Chicago Bears 347 4,139 5.04 1,750 42.3%
25 Dallas Cowboys 325 3,799 4.89 1,588 41.8%
24 Denver Broncos 339 3,914 4.79 1,625 41.5%
11 Washington Redskins 407 4,948 4.87 1,981 40.0%
19 Indianapolis Colts 370 4,491 4.81 1,780 39.6%
31 Houston Texans 347 3,418 3.85 1,336 39.1%
21 Arizona Cardinals 383 4,425 4.49 1,720 38.9%
27 Carolina Panthers 306 3,962 4.98 1,525 38.5%
30 Tennessee Titans 307 3,720 4.55 1,396 37.5%
32 Buffalo Bills 286 3,250 4.23 1,211 37.3%
29 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 355 4,165 4.04 1,433 34.4%

Can't wait to hear that if the Patriots do it....then it must be good.

There is nothing wrong with leading the league in YAC. The difference between Alex Smith and Tom Brady is that defenses RESPECT Tom Brady because they know he CAN beat you deep and he has the balls to do it.

Defenses can easily game plan to take away the Chiefs running game and force Alex Smith to pass downfield, which they know he's too pussy to do most of the time.

He absolutely does.

Those guys all went home early because they couldn't put points on the board.

This offense struggled to score points in the second half of the season, primarily due to inept QB play.

And what do you know, the same thing that dogged us during the regular season bit us in the ass in the playoffs. There was no Tyreek Hill or Eric Berry magic to save the team this time, because that shit dries up in the postseason.

But it's not like that's never happened to Alex before! He's certainly never struggled to convert third downs or score points in a playoff game. NO SIR!

Did you see those Setting Up The Punter stats though? 10/15 !!! That's good stuff.

is air yards

Tom Brady was 12th in air yards/attempt.

Alex Smith was 31st. Only Bortles and Wentz were lower.

http://i.imgur.com/8iYYjmi.jpg

I did see clay is back

Foles, when he came in, was bad on the short stuff. I feel your pain, and largely agree, but Foles ain't displacing Smith, because he's bad on the short stuff.

Yep, but being tolerable.

Give it another week or so

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I'm always curious where he comes up with his screen names. Does he have a random word generator or something?

It's a play call.

You don't want a concussion but happy with a broken leg? ;)

Calling for Foles is asking to cut out a chunk of the playbook
As the guy that can't run read option or run for big gains

https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/s...atistics/2016/

Yards after catch per reception.
Funny how the top two teams are in the superbowl but some moron wanted to use the stat to discredit Smith's ability...

Cut out a chunk of one playbook and dust off a chuck of another.

I enjoyed rooting for the Chiefs this year with Alex as the QB.

The last 3 Chiefs losses, TB, Tenn, Pitt, ended with thinking that the Chiefs would probably win if the defense made a stop, and that in the TB and Pitt games, I would not only have been hopeful that the Chiefs would drive for a winning FG, i would have been confident.

A lot of Alex Smith critics are guys that were never even close to being a good football player themselves. The dude had a great year helping the team win.

I have to admit that for 2013 and 2014, I always felt that Alex could lead a drive for a winning FG, but I doubted that he could lead a drive for a winning TD.

Hell, this year he has near perfect 4th quarter and OT to win opener vs. Chargers. He leads a OT forcing TD plus 2 pt. conversion at Denver against a very good defense. He makes the plays to kill the clock in Atlanta on the road against a Super Bowl team.

Against Tenn, Andy Reid did not call a pass to try to make the first down and the defense was too soft to kill the clock, so that is not on Alex.

Against Pitt, the dude ties the game only to have the ref be fooled into calling holding on Fisher when Harrison slips and falls down and then the Defense does not get the stop that would have forced Pitt to punt.

If Pitt had punted and Alex sh*t his pants instead of driving for a FG attempt, I could see some justification for this pizzing and moaning by people that were never good football players about Alex Smith.

But Alex had the best season for a Chiefs QB since Trent in 2005 or 2003, not even close.

Alex Smith is a top 3 all-time Chiefs QB. The dude is a winner. I have more confidence in him as Chiefs QB than I would have in most NFL starters. There are some that show more arm talent and more proven results, but not more than a half of dozen in either category.

Careful dude, they are going to accuse you of being someone's uncle, Liz, or a blackbob mult.

To answer OPs last remark. You are correct, sir

Siemian can run read option, play in the pistol, protect the ball effectively?? Tell me more

What else was he going to say?

Alex's best attribute = "protecting the football"

Might actually matter if he was scoring with the football at the same time.

Think the Bills would do a straight up swap of Smith for Taylor?

LMAO

It's the ole' "you didn't do it/make it so you can't say shit" argument. The worst point to make in an argument ever.

Ultimately, that and also why I'm surprised nobody's pointing out that Reid saying he would have drafted Derek Carr is anything more than just fluff BS coach speak.

You new at this Chiefs thing?

Oh, you are talking about someone elses high draft pick! Kind of like Alex, 1.1

Consequently he plays scared.

Those offenses and QBs get more out of their YAC plays than the Chiefs do, though.

The Chiefs are getting YAC on dinks and dunks.

The Falcons and Pats are getting YAC on passes thrown down the field.

Passes completed beyond 10 yards

Matt Ryan - 92 (5.75 per game)
Tom Brady - 76 (6.3 per game)
Alex Smith - 52 (3.25 per game)


Air yards per attempt:

Matt Ryan - 3rd
Tom Brady - 12th
Alex Smith - 31st


Yards per completion

Matt Ryan - 1st
Tom Brady - 6th
Alex Smith - 25th


Touchdown passes

Matt Ryan - 2nd
Tom Brady - 7th
Alex Smith - 27th


Offensive points per game

Atlanta - 1st
New England - 3rd
Chiefs - 18th

but but but, alex has a high percentage throwing it 4 yards. lol

But what about their offensive line?

But what about their offensive weapons?

But what about the playcallers?

That comment isn't a beam of hope, it's the sign of a loser franchise.

Alex hadn't been signed to an extension at the time of the 2014 draft. He was getting ready to enter the final year of his deal.

That was the PERFECT time to take Carr.

Christ, even if Alex WAS locked up for another year or two at the time - a winning franchise takes that franchise guy when he's available. Green Bay had arguably one of the best QB's in NFL history on their roster, still playing at an elite level, and they STILL took Aaron Rodgers.

They won a Lombardi because of it, and they are a SB contender every year regardless of how the rest of the team performs because Rodgers puts them on his back and carries them year after year.

Exactly.

The Chiefs DEPEND on YAC. When they don't get it, the offense sputters.

Brady can and does stretch the field, which gets defenders out of the box.

WOOF.

Pissing in the ****ing wind.

Love this team...can't stand a critical component of it. I can't tell if it is maddening or apathy inducing or both at the same time.

Listen, Mugsy, you reeruned ass clown. All I did was support someone's assumption that the Chiefs led the league in YAC, which they did. I'm sorry that your reading comprehension remains at a third grade level. Find something useful to do as you sit behind your cushy, government-issued PC rather than doing no work once again. If you think for one ****ing second that anyone here believes you aren't BlackBob/Mugsy, you're sadly mistaken. It's incredibly easy to post from your government PC and home PC to make it look like separate IPs, but you're the same reerun you've always been.

And if by some ****ing miracle you're not him, then you're brothers or kindred spirits. You don't reach that level of stupid by accident. ****, even the Coalition banned Mugsy. ****.

I can't argue any of this. What's sad is that Andy and John are from GB and know this better than anyone.

Andy really does think Alex can win the SB, and that's the problem.

CP is wayyyyy to fixed up with this "we need to groom our OWN QB" fantasy... This wish is going to happen later than you are hoping, but sooner than you probably realistcally think. After Alex smith we will be starting our own groomed QB that we drafted under Reid, im 99% sure of it in my own mind... However, Alex isnt going anywhere for the next 4 years or so if not maybe 5-6... But we will be drafting a QB in rounds 2-3 in 4 years from now, but the constant bitching about how we need to draft one right now just isnt going to happen because alex is a solid starting QB and Reid loves him and knows he can win the big one with him. If that sentence alone makes you hate my post and w.e else so be it, but its the truth, and usually people hate hearing the truth when it isnt the truth they want.

There are literally 3 people on the planet that believe this at this point. You. Tigger. Andy Reid.

That's where most reasonable fans are, especially fans who were Chiefs fans prior to Alex. It gets you frustrated at first, then down right angry. But after a while you just say "**** it, they won't change it and there's nothing I can do about it". So you continue to support the team, while being critical of poor performers (you can do both), and hope they someday figure it out.

Alex was the best choice when they went out and got him, several better choices have passed us by since then. Let's hope they don't continue to pass us by or we are stuck as a perennial playoff team who will not go to the Super Bowl.

Dude come on... He got elected to the pro bowl this year, that alone beat out 20 other QB's... Everyone around the league says hes a solid Starting QB.. so stop being dramatic..... I think what i said is a very fair point to both sides of this stupid reeruned QB argument u all have going on

Wrong.

1 more year, at most. Contractually and based on the draft, I guess 2 is possible, but if they wanted to extend him they'd have done it last year when an extension would've freed up substantial cap space so there's no way the're looking past 2.

We'll see who's right. I say there's a 20% chance they move on this year, 80% chance after next season and a 99% chance he's gone prior to 2019.

Y'know what, nevermind

'elected to the pro bowl' and 'stupid reeruned qb argument u all have' tells me all I need to know about who I'm working with here.

And that it's just not worth the time.

Because elected and replaced are a huge difference, it doesnt change the point of the pro bowl appearance... and because I dont dwell hours into arguing about a argument that I dont agree needs to be argued about makes me whom exactly?

I dont see any QB controversy here, I dont see anyone on our roster better than Smith So I dont see why anyone argues over something that theres no "argument" to be had.

Of course you don't.

Carry on.

You seem like youd be a blast at partys. :)

He's no Eric berry.

Chalk up another one to the iggy list.

If you want to inject a fair point to the argument, inject the one that states Alex Smith had absolutely no business being in the Pro Bowl. The dude was in the bottom 3rd in just about every single statistic the NFL tracks at the position.

I'm being very reasonable, in my mind, in stating that the Kansas City Chiefs win in spite of the play of Alex Smith and not because of it. So I automatically dispel any notion that "all Alex does is Win."

I have yet to see an "around the league" view that Alex Smith is a "solid starting QB." He has been ridiculed in national media circles for years for his lack of aggression and "game manager" play style. I've never seen anyone say "Alex Smith can win you a Super Bowl." You never see Alex Smith in top-10 QB lists made outside of his team's realm of fans.

Any notion that Alex Smith is a "good" or "above average" QB isn't thought by anyone I know. I can tell you wholeheartedly that there isn't anyone in the NFC North area that has ever mentioned Alex Smith. No Bears' fan ever said to me "I'd love it if the Bears had Alex." No Vikings' fan ever said to me "Man, you guys are lucky to have Alex."

Other than Alex Smith fan boys and a few fans that are optimistic that the Chiefs can win with whomever they trot out there every year, there is nobody that believes KC can win with Alex Smith. If those people exist, I have yet to meet one.

I'm not even being irrational. I'm not saying this for the sake of argument. If I had legitimately heard any talk about Alex being a solid starting QB or a Pro Bowl calibur QB, or that Alex can guide the Chiefs to a Super Bowl, I'd shut the **** up.

Alex Smith is, and always has been, a bottom third QB in a top third league.

I gave the Chiefs a better chance to win the Super Bowl with Alex Smith than with any other QB they've had since Joe Montana came here, because this supporting cast is far more talented than any other roster they've had. It isn't because Alex Smith is here. It's actually disappointing watching the QB inhibit an otherwise extremely talented team.

That should tell you exactly how bad he thinks Smith was in that game.


It may end up defining him

Based on his 'fair point' we should have never moved on from Matt Cassel.

Like I said, this really isn't worth the trouble. He's just not terribly intelligent. And really, I don't mean that as an indictment of any sort but rather a simple statement of fact. He uses 'u' as a word, was unable to posit a counter-point without resorting to 'stupid reeruned argument' and is seemingly unaware that the plural form of something ending is 'y' is 'ies', as in 'parties'.

Dude's just dim. Stick to engaging Baby Lee; that's at least interesting. With this kid you're just debating Nietzsche with a dalmatian.

I used to think you were a cool guy. Now, not so much.... Ive always agreed with almost everything youve ever posted on this website. And again, We have come to opposite odds of a topic, and now im the most reeruned person on the forum? OK COOL !

And im 24, have a family, have 2 degree's working on getting my masters for criminal justice. Im not dumb, But I also didn't know this was a forum where I needed to focus on my spelling or put perfect sentences together to be granted a pass on being able to have a conversation. If your criteria for being smart is what you posted above, then 99% of the people on this board should be on your ignore or not talk to list (if thats even possible) since no one here uses proof read English on every post... I have red lines all over my post because of my lazy english since I prefer to be laid back when not in a professional setting, or when im simply ****ing around on my computer talking football, obviously you seem to think otherwise.

Im not disagreeing with what your saying in a sense...

Can we do better than Alex Smith? YES... Is there anyone on the market that we can get thats better? No. Does that mean I wanted to keep cassell? NO..

What im saying is I would love nothing more than to see us draft a QB early.. However, my point is hes not going anywhere because hes a solid QB (thats where you and others may disagree) however I do think hes a solid QB, heaven forbid the worlds ending.... Reid thinks hes a solid QB... Therefore, I think its pretty safe to say, we wont be drafting any QB in the years to come (meaning next 3 years).. in 4 years i can 100% see us drafting a replacement; learn behind alex guy... Alex SHOULD be a stop gap, and we SHOULD be finding a replacement for him NOW.. What im saying is its not gonna happen because Reid thinks hes solid enough to win a superbowl. Something I also agree with, but that doesnt mean we shouldnt be looking for the next Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers in the draft... If we had one of them, we would be in the superbowl this year, no doubt in my mind.

So excited for 10 wins and one and done. Can't wait for the off season where I can hear about having the best oline in the league now that we added FA X and how the defense will dominate with draft pick Y starting week 1.

You won't have to worry about that here.

Ditto

yep, i can vouch for that too!!!

i think every time we get close to the wz, we should line up eric berry at wr on the other side of the fast guy and dontari poe @ qb...

let the donks figure out how to stop that!! LMAO LMAO LMAO

Has to be the clarks

Andy had the balls to bring Vick into philly. Either that or he is just ****ing stupid. Alex is good enough to keep people coming to games but won't be much more than a divisional weekend playoff exit

You're that exact same person?

nobody currs about that crap xcep them asses that don't have anything beytyer to say or pick on...

pay no mind tio the cretins...

have fun! enjoy the planet!! life awaits you!!!

You've already forgotten last off-season?

But how well does he set his kicker up?

The tide has changed. Even the solid Alex guys are turning against him.

Whoa what?

That's just the same old Chiefs bullshit, only with 4.4 speed or whatever Vick was running those days.

Vick and Smith give me pause that Reid will ever get on board with drafting a QB high ever again. His third chance is coming up.

He's passed on:

Andy Dalton
Colin Kaepernick
Derek Carr
Teddy Bridgewater

Don't worry he can't shove a QB up your ass, your head is in the way.

Foles is not a better QB. Some of you guys hate Smith so much you think every trash QB is better just because they are not Smith. Some idiots here actually seriously want Johnny Manziel. :facepalm:

This is the best way, and likely what they will do.

...it's the main prerequisite I have. They have to draft for the future.

It's way overdue.

I agree with it being the Clarks.

For once in over a decade, I want the Chiefs to have a QB that we don't have to even debate how good or how bad they are. A QB with no questions... Or at least it wouldn't be questionable that they aren't a huge problem with the team. I am so sick of this shit.