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notorious 05-08-2014 09:43 PM

Jesus, in the Senior Bowl video his first step is FAST.

Nightfyre 05-08-2014 09:43 PM

We went from having a shot at Manziel to reaching for a pretty one dimensional speed rusher. That was soul-wrenching. And the whole situation totally epitomizes the Chiefs.

BossChief 05-08-2014 09:44 PM

I wonder if they are looking to line up like this on d...

RDE Hali (they tweeted that he weighed in at 280 a week ago)
NT Poe
LDE Walker

LOLB Houston
ILB DJ
ILB ______
ROLB Ford

CB Flowers
CB Smith
SS Berry
FS Abdullah

That's a defense that can be extremely disruptive.

TambaBerry 05-08-2014 09:44 PM

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CjRfwu5QWPc&sns=fb

This makes me feel better

Jakemall 05-08-2014 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 10613623)
We went from having a shot at Manziel to reaching for a pretty one dimensional speed rusher. That was soul-wrenching. And the whole situation totally epitomizes the Chiefs.

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cf...-sack-study-10


You'll see that your comment is not true.

O.city 05-08-2014 09:45 PM

Trade Flowers for a 2nd rounder, take Van Noy or Lee?

jonzie04 05-08-2014 09:45 PM

he's an explosive mother****er that's for sure. But He did throw up 30 reps. Though he doesn't look that strong on the field.

ping2000 05-08-2014 09:46 PM

I blame Pioli and Herm for this. I know this makes no sense, but I really hate those ****ers.

notorious 05-08-2014 09:47 PM

Flashes of Dwight Freeney.

ping2000 05-08-2014 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10613634)
Trade Flowers for a 2nd rounder, take Van Noy or Lee?


No one is going to trade with the Chiefs. We will not get what we want. Accept the curse. We are a ****ed franchise.

htismaqe 05-08-2014 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 10613621)
Jesus, in the Senior Bowl video his first step is FAST.

That's his biggest asset really. His snap anticipation is probably tops in college football last year...

ChiTown 05-08-2014 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10613634)
Trade Flowers for a 2nd rounder, take Van Noy or Lee?

yes, pls

Mr_Tomahawk 05-08-2014 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10613625)
I wonder if they are looking to line up like this on d...

RDE Hali (they tweeted that he weighed in at 280 a week ago)
NT Poe
LDE Walker

LOLB Houston
ILB DJ
ILB ______
ROLB Ford

CB Flowers
CB Smith
SS Berry
FS Abdullah

That's a defense that can be extremely disruptive.

That'd be pretty nice.

Dayze 05-08-2014 09:47 PM

gains 10-15 lbs and he'll be mean, depending on how they use him. he'll be ****ed at the point of attack on the runnning game.

BossChief 05-08-2014 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10613647)
That's his biggest asset really. His snap anticipation is probably tops in college football last year...

If Houston and Ford are our OLBs, they might have the quickest first step combination of any pass rushing duo in the NFL.

Both have amazing first steps.

Dave Lane 05-08-2014 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan (Post 10613117)
What's not to like?

The fact he's injury prone and good but not great and 20 picks too high.

Hammock Parties 05-08-2014 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10613667)
If Houston and Ford are our OLBs, they might have the quickest first step combination of any pass rushing duo in the NFL.

And the hyperbole begins...

Justin Houston isn't even a top 10 pass rusher.

petegz28 05-08-2014 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 10613669)
The fact he's injury prone and good but not great and 20 picks too high.

Where were getting the 2nd round pick from?:hmmm:

Molitoth 05-08-2014 09:52 PM

It's funny how people assume on paper that a draft pick is going to be an all pro. Looking at a rookies name on a roster just screams unproven to me.

ThaVirus 05-08-2014 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Count Zarth (Post 10613674)
And the hyperbole begins...

Justin Houston isn't even a top 10 pass rusher.

I was just about to say..

Houston doesn't really have any exceptional qualities, he's just very good at everything.

htismaqe 05-08-2014 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 10613669)
The fact he's injury prone and good but not great and 20 picks too high.

Tampa Hali was a "huge reach" too. I remember how much I got the piss beat out of me for defending that pick. :hmmm:

BossChief 05-08-2014 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 10613650)
That'd be pretty nice.

That's a terrorize the quarterback defense if I ever saw one.

I think Hali played around 280 when he was a LDE for us when we ran a 4-3.

Three7s 05-08-2014 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10613625)
I wonder if they are looking to line up like this on d...

RDE Hali (they tweeted that he weighed in at 280 a week ago)
NT Poe
LDE Walker

LOLB Houston
ILB DJ
ILB ______
ROLB Ford

CB Flowers
CB Smith
SS Berry
FS Abdullah

That's a defense that can be extremely disruptive.

I think it'd be Cummings at FS and not Abdullah? I always thought Abdullah was primarily a SS.

Sure-Oz 05-08-2014 09:53 PM

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles...-a-meat-market

notorious 05-08-2014 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 10613680)
It's funny how people assume on paper that a draft pick is going to be an all pro. Looking at a rookies name on a roster just screams unproven to me.

It gets better.

"Experts" and novices alike act like a rookie is going to impact the following season.

htismaqe 05-08-2014 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Count Zarth (Post 10613674)
And the hyperbole begins...

Justin Houston isn't even a top 10 pass rusher.

Dee Ford had one of the best first steps in college football last year. That's not hyperbole.

BossChief 05-08-2014 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Count Zarth (Post 10613674)
And the hyperbole begins...

Justin Houston isn't even a top 10 pass rusher.

You are basing your opinion on him after he got hurt.

Go watch some of your gifs against NO when he raped Streif.

OldSchool 05-08-2014 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 10613685)
I think it'd be Cummings at FS and not Abdullah? I always thought Abdullah was primarily a SS.

Reid specifically said that Abdullah was the current lead man at FS for us, ahead of Commings.

BossChief 05-08-2014 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 10613685)
I think it'd be Cummings at FS and not Abdullah? I always thought Abdullah was primarily a SS.

Andy Reid said Abdullah gets first crack at starting free safety.

petegz28 05-08-2014 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 10613680)
It's funny how people assume on paper that a draft pick is going to be an all pro. Looking at a rookies name on a roster just screams unproven to me.

You mean like all the people crying because we didn't draft the QBotF and future HoFer in Johnny Precious?

GoHuge 05-08-2014 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LanceHunter (Post 10613576)
Although an okay pick, I was hoping they would get WR Mike Evans, he has the size at 6'-5" and 225 lbs. and almost 1400yds in 2013.

Are you ****ing reeruned? The guy was picked #7 overall and was never making it out of the top 10...and everyone has known that for months. We had the #23 pick yet you hoped/thought we might get him....even listing his measurables? :drool:

BossChief 05-08-2014 09:58 PM

Hali and Houston need to get this kid to learn some counter moves because his first step can be a detriment to him as an overall defender by offenses running underneath his speed rush.

notorious 05-08-2014 09:58 PM

Wow, he played a great game against FSU.

He contained, didn't bite on the bootlegs, and demanded a bunch of double teams.

BossChief 05-08-2014 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10613682)
I was just about to say..

Houston doesn't really have any exceptional qualities, he's just very good at everything.

That's just dumb.

He was the highest rated OLB in the NFL...even with the injury slowing him down.

You don't know what you're watching.

Rausch 05-08-2014 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Count Zarth (Post 10613674)
And the hyperbole begins...

Justin Houston isn't even a top 10 pass rusher.

Whatever.

On top of that he's excellent in coverage...

Bambi 05-08-2014 10:01 PM

Terrible pick. Pick so bad I would have rather chosen Michael Sam.

htismaqe 05-08-2014 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10613718)
Hali and Houston need to get this kid to learn some counter moves because his first step can be a detriment to him as an overall defender by offenses running underneath his speed rush.

Not can be. It is. Teams ran at him to neutralize him all the time.

notorious 05-08-2014 10:02 PM

This kid is going to be good.

Dayze 05-08-2014 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 10613680)
It's funny how people assume on paper that a draft pick is going to be an all pro. Looking at a rookies name on a roster just screams unproven to me.

Piss off / Aaron Curry

Pablo 05-08-2014 10:05 PM

Dude is a freak athlete.

Rain Man 05-08-2014 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10613700)
Reid specifically said that Abdullah was the current lead man at FS for us, ahead of Commings.

Is Kendrick Lewis gone? Or do they recognize one game too late that he's terrible?

Jimmya 05-08-2014 10:05 PM

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-...with-23rd-pick

Chiefs get a C- as usual

Beef Supreme 05-08-2014 10:06 PM

I just hope he doesn't join the bulk of last year's draft picks on IR.

Anyong Bluth 05-08-2014 10:06 PM

So essentially trying to force highpower offenses to have to limit trying to spread you out IF he can become a legit guy offenses have to account for if he's lined up. ...?

Rain Man 05-08-2014 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 10613738)
This kid is going to be good.

I've got nothing against the pick and think he was one of our better choices. It just stinks beyond belief to see the top two QBs available at 22 and we end up with neither of them. But I'm not going to hold that against Ford.

htismaqe 05-08-2014 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 10613754)
Is Kendrick Lewis gone? Or do they recognize one game too late that he's terrible?

Signed with the Texans I believe...

ptlyon 05-08-2014 10:06 PM

Ha. NFL network highlights: picks 1,2, 22

BossChief 05-08-2014 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10613735)
Not can be. It is. Teams ran at him to neutralize him all the time.

I noticed that watching the senior bowl...but admittedly only watched 2 Auburn games.

I'm happy with the pick and he was in my sig list of guys I wanted us to draft.

I still wished we could have moved up and taken Manziel...but pass rushers like him are the second most important part of winning football games.

-King- 05-08-2014 10:07 PM

Watching the FSU tape, wow he looks extremely disciplined. Great contain and doesn't fall for fakes. Great at doing his job.

Bambi 05-08-2014 10:07 PM

This guy is 6'-2" 240?

That can't be right can it?

LMAO

notorious 05-08-2014 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 10613765)
I've got nothing against the pick and think he was one of our better choices. It just stinks beyond belief to see the top two QBs available at 22 and we end up with neither of them. But I'm not going to hold that against Ford.

I agree.


I had a virgin hard-on for Carr and Manziel, I feel a little let down but not disappointed.

penbrook 05-08-2014 10:09 PM

Per Sean Keeler

Dorsey: Dee Ford was the highest-rated player on #Chiefs' draft board. Was on the team's list of preferred four.

penbrook 05-08-2014 10:09 PM

Per Reid Ferrin

Dee Ford: "I'm going to be in Kansas City tomorrow and looking forward to meeting everyone. I plan to be in Kansas City forever."

Sassy Squatch 05-08-2014 10:10 PM

Oh well. Have heard comparisons to Bruce Irvin.

penbrook 05-08-2014 10:10 PM

Dee Ford w/ some parting words for the @KCChiefs beat writers: "I want to be in Kansas City forever, don't trade me." #laughsallaround

Rausch 05-08-2014 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook (Post 10613787)
Per Sean Keeler

Dorsey: Dee Ford was the highest-rated player on #Chiefs' draft board. Was on the team's list of preferred four.

:facepalm:

BossChief 05-08-2014 10:10 PM

I'd love to hear the other three and to know if a QB was on the list.

Iconic 05-08-2014 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook (Post 10613787)
Per Sean Keeler

Dorsey: Dee Ford was the highest-rated player on #Chiefs' draft board. Was on the team's list of preferred four.

... but-but the CP brain trust tells me he sucks!

Dayze 05-08-2014 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmya (Post 10613757)

8-8 bitches!
......wait.....7--9.



tailgating mother****ers!!!!!!!
....by the way, parking will now by $30

Dante84 05-08-2014 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook (Post 10613787)
Per Sean Keeler

Dorsey: Dee Ford was the highest-rated player on #Chiefs' draft board. Was on the team's list of preferred four.

...At the time of the pick... Not on the top of the entire board.

-King- 05-08-2014 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10613795)
I'd love to hear the other three and to know if a QB was on the list.

Manziel and Cooks for sure. Can't think of the 4th one.

Rausch 05-08-2014 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 10613798)
...At the time of the pick... Not on the top of the entire board.

That makes a little more sense...

ChiTown 05-08-2014 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10613795)
I'd love to hear the other three and to know if a QB was on the list.

Moe, Curly and Larry:D

htismaqe 05-08-2014 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10613775)
I noticed that watching the senior bowl...but admittedly only watched 2 Auburn games.

I'm happy with the pick and he was in my sig list of guys I wanted us to draft.

I still wished we could have moved up and taken Manziel...but pass rushers like him are the second most important part of winning football games.

He was 3rd on my final 3 list that I posted in the "who do you want" thread.

His first step is something that can't be taught. You either have it or you don't. I just hope he can stay healthy.

TambaBerry 05-08-2014 10:12 PM

I just wanted ward or dennard more then this guy.

OnTheWarpath15 05-08-2014 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook (Post 10613787)
Per Sean Keeler

Dorsey: Dee Ford was the highest-rated player on #Chiefs' draft board. Was on the team's list of preferred four.

Wow.

So a guy who missed most of his college eligibility with knee, back and abdominal problems - who several teams had red flagged as undraftable due to medical concerns - was the best player available on our board?

What's next, a quadriplegic punter in R3?

Sassy Squatch 05-08-2014 10:13 PM

Goddamn his voice doesn't fit a pass rusher.

Dante84 05-08-2014 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10613814)
Wow.

So a guy who missed most of his college eligibility with knee, back and abdominal problems - who several teams had red flagged as undraftable due to medical concerns - was the best player available on our board?

What's next, a quadriplegic punter in R3?

Too soon?

cdcox 05-08-2014 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nzoner (Post 10613527)
The kid says he's better than Cloney

:doh!:

Wow. It's not even close.

RunKC 05-08-2014 10:15 PM

I will say this: the kid is a playmaker and has proven to be a big factor in games.
I loved his tape and I loved his Senior Bowl performance.

He's got a quick burst off the line like Von Miller which is very good. He doesn't give up and he's instinctive with energy and swagger. He even ran a 4.5 and did 29 on the bench which isn't too bad.

Only 3 problems with him:

1. He can't stop the run for shit, so he's going to have to work on that this year before completely taking over for Tamba next year.
2. He's not strong enough. Fortunately he can be a big time player without that strength this year.
3. He's a ****ing brokedick. He's been injured multiple times and that doesn't even include his back, which some teams apparently so scared of that they took him OFF their board completely.

I think he'll do good things here. I just pray to God he doesn't end up broken.

jonzie04 05-08-2014 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 10613815)
Goddamn his voice doesn't fit a pass rusher.

dafuq do pass rushers sound like?

SDChiefs 05-08-2014 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan (Post 10613117)
What's not to like?

Everything

Dayze 05-08-2014 10:15 PM

I don't doubt the kids' ability. let me be clear (Obama voice)...

but I doubt what he's going to do in our 'current' defense. maybe Sutton has some sort of idea how to flex him etc. he sure as **** isn't a DE in a 3-4. But I like what he brings. let's just hope they use him better than Berrry

nychief 05-08-2014 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10613814)
Wow.

So a guy who missed most of his college eligibility with knee, back and abdominal problems - who several teams had red flagged as undraftable due to medical concerns - was the best player available on our board?

What's next, a quadriplegic punter in R3?

Who had him flagged as undraftable ?

Sassy Squatch 05-08-2014 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonzie04 (Post 10613826)
dafuq do pass rushers sound like?

Like Andre the Giant.

penbrook 05-08-2014 10:16 PM

Dee Ford planks 180 lbs for 45 seconds. And people say he's got a weak back?

nychief 05-08-2014 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 10613829)
I don't doubt the kids' ability. let me be clear (Obama voice)...

but I doubt what he's going to do in our 'current' defense. maybe Sutton has some sort of idea how to flex him etc. he sure as **** isn't a DE in a 3-4. But I like what he brings. let's just hope they use him better than Berrry

Reid says OLB.

OnTheWarpath15 05-08-2014 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nychief (Post 10613830)
Who had him flagged as undraftable ?

There's been several tweets and reports than several teams took him completely off their boards due to medical concerns.

Dante84 05-08-2014 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonzie04 (Post 10613826)
dafuq do pass rushers sound like?

Liberian

notorious 05-08-2014 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 10613832)
Like Andrew Luck.

fyp


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