9 certified idiots on this board so far.

Let's see how well old Alex does next season against a first-place schedule.

I'm guessing this team doesn't come close to 8-0 in 2014.

Well that cements us going 16-0.

AFCE (Smith vs Smith!), NFCN, and the "first place schedule" will more than likely be Cincy and Indy replacing Buffalo and Indy (even though they'll play Buffalo again anyway).

That sounds difficult, especially if the Jets and Dolphins continue to improve.

I think we play the NFCW

Yeah, you're right... I was looking at 2011, but of course the NFC rotates every 4 years while the AFC rotates every 3... doh.

NFC West AFC East and Cin or Balt Colts or Tenn

He didn't do too shabby with the Niner's schedule last season (at least through the first 8 1/4 games he played in before he suffered a concussion and subsequently lost his job).

You are really arguing next years schedule while we are 8-0?

That's pretty much a white flag. Good job Clay.

:banghead: Battered fan syndrome- they are scared to win I guess. :doh!:

Yep RG#3 played like a champ yesterday until he faked a knee injury and they put cuz in to throw easy picks instead-lol

Clearly this year is a success, but likely not an ultimate success.

8-0 is soon forgotten if we go backwards.

And I will invoke the 2001 Bears as my example once again:

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/chi/2001.htm

We're winning games the same way that team won games. Limited QB, great defense, huge contributions from special teams and defense in scoring...and the next year they took a giant step backwards because they really weren't that good.

You, of 150,000+ posts on this forum, involved in football discussions for over 10 years, routinely acting like you're the smartest football poster on this board... seriously did not just post this.

Yes the 2001 bears from 12 years ago are relevant. :doh!:

The truth is Smith played closer to this in 2010 then improved in 2011 after more time with the same players and offense.

That's a better comparison. But keep searching for something that fits your scenarios.

Shane Matthews was awesome

Byeassed pole.

We wouldn't be 3-5 with Geno Smith. Probably more like 6-2 minimum.

Nonetheless, there are 20 QB's better than Alex Smith by my estimation.

We win games the same way they did.

"Seeing as we barely win with the offense we have now" oh my fuking.... Would you rather it be "seeing as we almost always win with our offense" wtf we are winning games. The minute we put together a year where we don't go to the playoffs with Alex or we flat out look like garbage, call me. Till then just stfu with these threads.. I know I know ppl figured we woulda lost by now so they coulda screamed for the beheading of the qb but since we haven't be argument is clearly.. We barely win. It's better than losing.. And when playoffs come. In the 2 games that Alex had played in when it's playoffs he's been 500yds 5 tds 0 ints. 1 win 1 loss. Solid and clutch as fuk in the playoffs so if we win this way in regular season to get to the playoffs and then play way better in the playoffs to contend each year who gives a fuk???

As for the question... I think a 3-5 record is harsh. I'd probably say 4 to 6 wins with Geno at this point. Him and Alex both have 10 TDs on the season. Geno has 12 more turnovers though. That's fairly significant. We actually lead the league at +12 in turnovers, Geno would wipe that out by himself. Obviously those numbers wouldn't be exactly the same if you switched teams, but Geno has still made some costly decisions that have nothing to do with the talent he's playing with. So it's probably not unfair to say at least 4-4.

However, this isn't in a vacuum. If you're going to treat it like one... Geno isn't the only QB we'll ever be able to draft. He wasn't even taken in the 1st round. If you were talking about someone like Andrew Luck, then it might be better long term to be 3-5 with him. But you could say that the Chiefs can go 8-0 now and still acquire a similar talent in the late 1st round of the upcoming draft. Unless you believe that none of the QB's in the next 2-3 drafts are anywhere near Geno Smith, and you think Geno is an Andrew Luck type talent.

Great take on it.

People saying Geno would be better here because of Reid are ignoring the fact that Reid didn't even want him in the first place. So maybe Reid knew that Geno wouldn't be good in the first place even with this coaching staff and team.
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Everyone who voted for 3-5 needs to be banned immediately. Just for being ****ass reeruned.

Because nobody can get 10 yards and out of bounds in 7 seconds LMAO dipshit

If the Chiefs had the ball at the 45 with 7 seconds to go and no TO's with a field goal to win you shut the TV off? No. Not one mother ****er on the board says it's over, you bitch.

Geno will always be second rate. Get over it

Geno sitting on the bench learning the offense behind Alex VS RT Fisher should be the poll.

Chiefs still give up 12.3. Still looks like we would be winning.

Geno's numerous pick 6's and turnovers putting the defense in bad positions would greatly inflate that number.

Poll fail.

We wouldn't be 3-5 with him. At worst we would be 5-3.

The level of talent on NY is t even close to the level of talent we have in KC.

This defense and special teams could absorb a few turnovers.

If the question is "would you rather be 5-3 with Geno or 8-0 with Alex Smith" I'd have to chose option a.

Geno might throw some picks (some are just stupid, some are reasonable rookie mistakes) but he also tests defenses by attacking all parts of the field, not just throws within 5 yards of the LOS. Avery was past his man and open for long tds twice yesterday and Fasano was wide open in the endzone.

Personally, I think this team would be rallying around the kid BIG TIME if we had drafted him and that our running game would be far more effective because teams would need to play us honest.

:facepalm:

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I know. It's bad to have patience in a rookie QB.

It is what it is. I'm happy with the direction of the team, but I would loved to have seen Geno under Reids coaching staff and with the talent we have in KC.

This poll is worth trolling.
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good post. the only thing I would add is that if Geno Smith was behind this OL he'd probably be crap.

Once again, you have to add in the points that Geno directly contributes to by his pick 6s and other turnovers.

Predicting that an NFL team won't win 8 games in a row, way to go out on a limb.

Link?

Also, TheBadGuy posted some news that Geno Smith was in the final 4 considerations for the #1 overall pick about a week before the draft.

If the Chiefs had a 2nd round pick, we probably would have taken him

That's one helluva bold prediction there. :rolleyes:

Geno has 16 turnovers so far this year. That's 2 per game.

Go look at each game we've played and add in 2 extra turnovers, then try to tell us we'd still have a winning record.

Patently absurd

Why would you think that?

Drugs are bad. Mkay.

http://i.imgur.com/HaEvaZ9.png

It is a big, and baseless, assumption to think that there would be bigger rewards later with Geno Smith. It is just as likely that he would continue to fail.

And 8-0 is a hell of a lot better than "at least we aren't 2-14". We have been waiting for the chance, and this is it. The future is NOW, and there is no reason to believe we would be in this position any time if we had Geno.

The real poll should be

"Would you rather be 8-0 with Eric Fisher or Geno Smith?"

This.

The real poll should be

"Would you rather be 8-0 with Eric Fisher or Geno Smith?"

Also, let's not act as if Geno hasn't had moments where he played at an extremely high level, either. He has his team at .500 at the halfway point and that team wasn't expected to win 4 games all year. He won offensive player of the week not long ago and is the most effective deep ball thrower in the league.

Intardasting.

Based on the report from TBG's source

A diverse and highly intelligent crew.

If we were 3-5 right now with Geno and someone said to you, would you rather have Alex Smith and be undefeated....

I would tell them to shank their grandmother.

Damn, man.

LMAO

LMAO I just saw what you did Molitoth. Get over it.

My opinion is the same as it has always been. The best Geno can be is a little above average. He'll never be elite (just an opinion) so why worry about it. Could he eventually become better than Alex Smith? YES. But he's not the guy I want if we are to ever FINALLY draft and develop a QB. For now I'll just celebrate what we're doing with what we've got.

pretty much. I honestly have never heard of fans being upset at their team being 8-0.

Shrugs. To each their own.

People still want what they want. Which is for us to pull the trigger on a young QB that can be elite for years to come. Understandable. I feel the same damn way. But in light of the current situation, I'm willing to put that shit on hold for now.

This forum has been hijacked by trolls and butt****s.

Wow, how ****ing noble of you

Im a have my cake and eat it too type.

Id rather have Alex Smith, with Tyler Bray developing, than to have Geno smith who isn't guaranteed to ever be elite, as you said.

Bray has as much chance as Geno to be elite.

sighs. Pretty much.

Whatever. You don't see me bitching around here.

We would be 9-0.

We'll likely be 9-0 anyway. :)

:)

ROFL

Fixed?

Considering how they dominate every discussion on this forum, it is interesting to see that only 13 would take Geno in this scenario. They sure make a lot of noise for a few people.

When you lead the league in turnovers and throw a pair of Pick Sixes on the way to to a 40 point loss, you gotta go with that guy every time.

The Jets are at 4-4. If they lose out theyve exceeded the amount of wins the 1998 Colts had with Peyton Manning. They keep up at that pace they're the same record as the 2002 Charhers with Drew Brees. The win two more they've tied the 2004 Giants, and if they win no more than Geno has three more wins than Eli did.

In the next three or so years is Geno going to play to the level of Peyton from 1999 to 2001? Odds are, no. Brees until he got injured? Maybe not. Eli Manning from 2005 to 2008? Could he be any worse? What about Roethlisberger? Or Andy freaking Dalton?

You have to take a chance. It's better you go with the ghoul you're unsure of than the devil that you know well when it comes to QBs. We know Alex is a game manager who has to have an elite defense to win games in the regular season and hasn't overcome errors from the rest of the team to win in the postseason. We don't know that Geno is or is not a guy that can win games single handedly in weeks 1-17 and after. But you have to take that chance to determine or way or the other - otherwise a team is no better than the likes of Arizona, Minnesota or Buffalo (pre-2013) in acquiring other teams' castoffs to try and win.

No. You're talking out of your ass.

And shorten your prose.

Get to the ****ing point more quickly.

i've never seen a QB overrated as much as Geno Smith as you guys do. WOW lol There are better QBs in this draft than last years.

Pretty much my thoughts.

In how many years?

I realize you probably aren't up yet when the Jets play, due to all of them wild celebrity parties you are hosting, but have you even watched him? Yes, he is still a rookie half way through his first season, but he clearly has more talent than the Alex Smith.

I'm speechless at the absolute stupidity.

You do understand, that just because we didn't take Geno Smith, have Alex Smith currently means absolutely nothing for quarterback evaluation in future drafts right?

Wow. People would rather be 3-5 with their guy as opposed to 8-0 without. That right there tells you how ****ing batshit crazy some of you are.

Actually, if the 2nd round pick hadn't been traded for recyled reject #17, Geno would have been there. They still could have used the 1.1 on the SAFE PICK, Eric Fisher.

But don't let the facts get in your WAY Halfcan.

Did someone actually say they would rather be 3-5? Anyone that thinks this team would be 3-5 with Geno, and Alex Smith is the difference between 3-5 and 8-0 IS BATSHIT CRAZY.

What would our Sagarin rating be with Geno. That is the important question.

Frank....don't try and reason with people who can't see the big picture. The reality is that many teams passed on Geno Smith because they see something the Jets didn't. He could develop into a decent QB over time, but with all the pressure in NY I am seeing a rough year or 2 for him.

With all the right moves that Reid and Dorsey have made thus far I am more inclined to trust their judgment that Smith didn't have the tools for the Offense they want to build here.

But evidently some believe they have more insight than those 2.

No...I think Andy Reid is the difference between 3-5 and 8-0. And I guess I will trust his judgment that Geno wasn't the QB he wanted.