Sapp Just called Pioli out



Pioli said why couldn't kc Gm get Wes. Sapp said the last GM wasted all the picks on DL

Tom E. Curran ‏@tomecurran

Spoke to someone close to Tom Brady. Beyond enraged at contract details that netted Broncos Wes Welker. "Disgrace" "disservice" were used.

Naa, this will only force us to get better.

That's because he still gets to play with a HOF QB and SB contender. Someday over the rainbow maybe we'll get one to get some basement bargain deals. Probably long after we're dead, but someday.

At this point (without knowledge as to how BB evaluates/values corners), I'd blame your scouts. Your guys aren't giving corners solid grades or BB is completely ignoring them. With the trade and desire to sign Talib, I think it is the scouts. I don't know any NE scouts or BB so this entirely speculation.

He mad.

Eh, Welker doesn't scare me.

Either Manning is healthy all season - in which case the Broncos were going to wax us anyway, or he isn't, in which case Welker's just another decent player that Tom Brady made wealthy and we'll be able to overtake Denver.

Welker isn't a difference maker for the Broncos at all, IMO.

Welker gave the Patriots a chance to match that and they didn't? Hmm.

6 mil a year. No ****ing way.

Denver really had them beat this year.

Broncos giving themselves two years to win SB. I hope they fail.

I should have clarified, I mean ****ed in the post season.

If they can't resign Arrington (who is best utilized in the slot), they are screwed in the post season. As an example, look to the Ravens game in the playoffs when they had to play Arrington outside instead of in the slot on 3W sets.

I have to lol at 2 years 12 mil

he must have really hated the Patriots

donnie avery at 11 mil
wes welker at 12 mil


lols

They didn't waste cap space there with Welker, that signing was HUGE for the shape of the West. You now have an offense with three monster receivers, and the ONLY receiver to ever put up 5 years with 100 or more catches. Shit just got real.

Now the emphasis is on us to land our corner.

If I'm not mistaken, it was a communal effort between DJ, Arenas, and I think perhaps Flowers or Kendrick Lewis. I can't remember if we had Berry then or not.
What I just saw on NFL Network, was Pioli calling himself out. I didn't hear Sapp say it.

Dumbass do you really think Wes comes to KC for the same deal? Answer is no

welker CLEARLY wanted to play with Manning / stick it to New England

this has nothing to do with anything other than that

Oh wow ... I think he's a total difference matter in the clutch, much better than the safety blanket that Stokley was for Manning. Welker is a legit option and gives them 3 lethal options, not counting Tamme.

He did and it was funny

Personally, I think he provides a lot more flexibility and options in 3W sets and more as far as personnel on the field.

How does that stupid **** get to voice his opinion on anything?

maybe next next year

I don't see Welker eclipsing 100+ catches a season in Denver.

You don't need elite CB's while playing Denver.


Cover 2 and pray Manning shits the bed.

Jamie Dukes ‏@jamiedukes

Let me see if I got this right. Mike Wallace is worth more than Wes Welker and Anquan Bolden combined.

5000 yards and 50 touchdowns.

Probably more.

A "better Stokely" is a difference maker?

Again, with Manning, the Broncos are already a better team than KC and will kick our ass. What they do in the playoffs beyond that is immaterial to me since I, y'know, don't give a wet fart about the Broncos.

Without Manning, the Chiefs can (and will) beat the Broncos, Welker or no Welker.

From a Chiefs standpoint, Welker just doesn't matter.

Hope he doesn't... means someone got hurt.

Welker is more dangerous, more of a difference maker than any receiver in this league, and the Pats just gave that up on the heels of a Tom Brady restructure so they could keep him.

Now Peyton has the most dangerous slot receiver to ever play the game, in a pass first offense with the most cerebral QB to ever play the game.

If you aren't threatened by that, you're smoking something.

Do you remember what Manning and Stokley did early on? Now Imagine a player 10 times better taking Stokley's role.

I don't think he did. Supposedly they offered him 2 years 10 million, and he walked.


Well, if you put it that way, its less debatable.

It all depends on what happens with the Patriots slot situation, do they sign Amendola or Edelman? If they sign edelman, they are far less ****ed.

Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider

Donnie Avery's three-year Chiefs deal is worth $8.55 million and includes a $1.5 million signing bonus, per a league source.

Hahaha.

Dude, we have Brandon Flowers and they have Thomas, Decker and now Welker.

Unless we find a way to get 2 more starting quality corners, we aren't gonna beat Denver this year or next.

Wow, you completely lost me there.

That's a little better, but Avery still sucks.

So in 2 WR sets......Decker goes to the bench?

they will sit in 3 WR sets all game

and our precious Mike Devito wont see a snap

Denver now needs to focus on ... adding needed talent to the Secondary.

It's great to have all these weapons, but they need to be able to stop the talented teams from throwing deep successfully when it matters most.

Yes it was.

I don't either.

Riiiiiiight?

Way to get another receiver when your secondary sucks ass.

Name a receiver with 3 super bowl rings with 5 seasons of 100 or more catches.

Does Welker even have one Super Bowl ring?

errr...Jerry Rice?

Sure as hell isn't Wes Welker, since he has zero SB rings.

Sucks to lose him though.

This. That money would have been better spent on Antoine Winfield.

Thanks, I thought Welker came serveral years after their SB championships.

Or one hell of a pass rush...

At least we won't have to worry about the Donkeys running the ball anymore.

Yeah, you're right he doesn't have the rings, I just did a double take on that and thought "that's not right".

I don't think Jerry had 5 seasons of 100 catches though, and Jerry isn't in the NFL currently.

Fixed

Just exactly what the **** are you talking about?

Wes Welker is an overrated possession receiver. He's Davone Bess with an elite QB.

But hey, you're welcome to take him over Megatron, Green, Jones, Marshall....Bowe; whatever. The guy's decent, but he's not a world-beater.

The development of Demaryius Thomas will have a great impact on that offense than plugging in Wes Welker for Brandon Stokely.

I lol why people give a shit

we already knew we weren't giong to beat Denver

He won't play NT? Poe as DE maybe?? Id****ingknow

dude Wes Welker is not overrated

he is always open

he runs amazing routes

You must not watch many Patriots games. The pass rush doesn't stop Welker at all.

We're going to need to COVER these guys, not hope we can pass rush against them.

I am not going to get into a Jerry vs. Welker argument, but Jerry played back when a WR got raped up and down the field.

Rice would have made his numbers even more amazing playing today.

I would be amazed if Welker could even come close to what he does now in that era.

This might be true. It's the water cooler talk here anyway.

:shrug:

There is no reason they shouldn't make the Super Bowl next year. ****.

We can if they have Osweiler under center. Decker wasn't shit before Manning and he won't be much without him. Thomas was developing, but he won't be the monster he was last year without Manning.

With Manning, we were going to get our asses kicked with our without Wes Welker. Without him, the Broncos aren't that worrisome.

This.


We are just jealous.

Yeah. His first year with NE was 2007. Been to 2 SB games and 4 AFCCGs (losses to Jets and Ravens, plus the two that we won. No SB wins though. Unfortunately, he had a couple key drops in some of those games.

Wrong...unless it's a great one....pass rush doesn't stop Brady or Manning. Welker has nothing to do with it.

One more reason to hate the Patriot way. Pioli was playing down Welker's role yesterday

Ah...so as it turns out, you don't know what the **** you're talking about.

I get it.

Carry on.

I guarantee you New England, at the very least, would have matched this

he was offended he gave them years of great production and was given the shaft

so he gave them the shaft right back

?

Per PFF, Denver had the #5, #10, and #28 rated CBs last season. 3 starting quality CBs is pretty rare.

Denver is allowed to hold. Don't ever forget this.

Yeah, he had "only" 4, plus another with 98 and another with 92.

But let's get real, we're not comparing Welker to Rice, right, because Rice is clearly and obviously the GOAT, and Welker ain't. He isn't even the greatest of right now (though I'd say he's certainly been top 10 and probably top 5 for some of these years).

You're underrating Welker's smarts, toughness and consistency.

But that doesn't mean he's Rice. He ain't.

Those guys you listed, aren't slot receivers. Those guys you listed, haven't caught 100 or more passes in a single season, 5 different times.

Welker has amazing hands compared to Davone Bess, and runs absolutely amazing routes, something Bess will never do.

Except Rice didn't go across the middle nearly as much as Welker does.

The point is, Welker did it, Rice didn't. They played two different roles, and you're trying to underplay Welker's ability to MAKE a play.

In this NFL today, there is no other receiver in this league as dangerous as he has been with the Patriots.

Now he's with the Broncos, where Welker will NEVER see double coverage because there aren't enough defenders on the field to cover Decker and Thomas as is, now you add in the most dangerous slot receiver talent to play the game.

Yeah, its a big ****ing deal.

Agree, to an extent.

Sorry I don't want to see the Broncos win a third SB in the time the chiefs haven't even won a playoff game

ok?

they are still way better than us and everyone wants to play with Peyton

what can we do?

cry?

then we should sign Pollard and set him loose after Peyton?

Wes brought the offer back to NE and they didn't match it.

They offered 2 years 10 million and wouldn't budge.

I find that hard to believe.

Pioli says NE has a plan. All is well patriot fans

This, again.

LMAO

You don't get it.

Welker is the best receiver in the league when it comes to immediately getting open in a quick release, 3 step drop kind of offense. The same offense you play against a solid pass rush.

The same offense the Patriots used against every team since Welker joined them.

Remember the two games last year where Houston played the Patriots? Remember how embarassing the first game was? Houston tried to blitzkrieg Tom Brady. Welker's statline was like 73 catches for a thousand yards in that game.

I made a mistake, it happens. Doesn't stop Welker from being the most dangerous receiver IN THIS LEAGUE TODAY, nor the only receiver to post 5 seasons with 100 catches or more, and still be in this league today, with the 2nd greatest QB to ever play.

That's not how it played out at all.

No, Welker is not the GOAT, because Welker is a SLOT receiver.

He is the GOAT Slot Receiver, and that is undoubtedly true.

But what happens when you give the GOAT Slot Receiver a contract to play with the 2nd best QB of all time, in an offense where they already have TWO solid, top 10-15 receivers?

You just eliminated the pass rush against every team you face, before ever taking a snap.

That's what just happened.

Tamba who? Justin Houston who?

We're not getting sacks on Peyton this year.

I haven't looked...the Pats really wouldn't match this? Link.

That's what is being reported.

We can hate the patriots! Except Tom Brady

Welcome to sports. People care. You can use that stupid rhetoric with anything

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