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RealSNR

01-04-2013 11:57 PM

Yes, I know that Tom Izzo coaches basketball. I fixed it.

jd1020

01-04-2013 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9283971)

Depends on the situation. If you bring in Campbell or another vet to help along Geno/rookie QB, he'd pretty much be the #3 by default. Even if the coaches liked his potential. If they didn't feel comfortable with him as the #2 in 2014 after a year under their tutelage, then there would be no reason to keep him.

Not imo. How much practice is a #3 QB getting during the season?

If he can't make it to #2 in his 3rd season it's time for him to go.

Washington has 2 rookies as their top 2 QBs.

Exoter175

01-04-2013 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9283969)

First, I'm not a Stanzi or Cousins Whisperer. I'm not.

I thought that Stanzi was an emotionally fragile bitch coming out. Unfair? Almost certainly. But this view was solidified in my mind when he checked down, at home, trailing, with time expiring and no TOs against Wisconsin (I believe).

Beautiful drive to this point. Ended by idiocy on the part of the QB. Now, one could argue that the back should have gotten out of bounds, blah, blah, blah. And maybe this is true. But the fact is that the trigger man put his teammate in a terrible place.

During the great Cassel wars of '10, I had and have no sympathy for idiocy from the QB position.

From my limited view, Cousins didn't hit these depths. Again, I didn't watch him play against NE Kansas City Tech, so I might be mistaken.

Fragile Emotionally?

Huh?

Source? Evidence? lol

As far as the check down, you're referring to the Ferentz blunder, not Stanzi. I know the exact play, time on the clock, players on the field, etc.

I cried.

mr. tegu

01-04-2013 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9283945)

That's a dumb way of looking at it. Sorry.

The coaching staffs job is to develop the entire roster, not just the starting unit.

True. But Stanzi doesn't need to be a priority in any way, shape, or form. If he is here fine. If not who cares. I do not want Reid coming in here thinking he has something to work with in Stanzi, thus passing up on a first overall pick QB, all because Stanzi has not yet gotten to continue proving his suckage on Sundays.

Some people are acting like it is some travesty that Stanzi hasn't gotten a fair shake when in reality, being Pioli's pick, if he was good even in the slightest he would have been playing in an attempt to save Pioli's job.

DeezNutz

01-04-2013 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9283979)

You can't cry "source??!!? " when one posts his opinions. The "source" is my last post. FFS.

When you post that Pioil prevented RAC from starting a player, that's when you're called out.

Badgirl?

aturnis

01-05-2013 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9283978)

Not imo. How much Practice is a #3 QB getting during the season?

If he can't make it to #2 in his 3rd season it's time for him to go.

Washington has 2 rookies as their top 2 QBs.

My point exactly. How can you equate what Stanzi has been through the last two years to what Cousins or even Foles has in their time in the NFL?

Stanzi looked damned good coming in as a rookie, with no offseason, and less than zero blocking. The guy truly made chicken salad out of chicken shit. Problem was, he couldn't throw it and catch it too.

Then, in comes the worst coaching staff in KC football history, new offense, spoon feeding the starter, and a backup who had played in the system for a year already. Meanwhile, Stanzi gets neglected and regresses. But somehow that's his fault.

EVERY QB ON THIS ROSTER REGRESSED THIS YEAR!

BossChief

01-05-2013 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 9283947)

Reid loves the OL. Luke Joeckel wii be #1.
The QB will be taken in Round 2. Tyler Bray wii be the pick.

why would he take a left tackle instead of just convincing Albert to stay?

Albert + Geno Smith >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just Joeckel.

If Reid lets Albert walk and passes on Geno (or another QB of his choosing) in favor of Drafting Joeckel...I'll eat a ghost chile.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9283969)

the trigger man put his back in position to get out of bounds to let Iowa line up for a 51 yard field goal with his team down 1 point.

Even milkman said he had no problem with the decision...he also said he thought Stanzi had "real potential" and at one time said parts of Stanzis game reminded him of a young Terry Bradshaw.

I wish the best for the kid for multiple reasons and hope he does well.

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 9283985)

ROFL

There is NOTHING that Stanzi has ever done to make ANYONE think he is a talent that would prohibit the selection of a at superior player with the top pick in an ensuing draft.

Just the proposed possibility of such is laughable.

jd1020

01-05-2013 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9284030)

My point exactly. How can you equate what Stanzi has been through the last two years to what Cousins or even Foles has in their time in the NFL?

What is your point? That keeping Stanzi on the roster for his 3rd year straight as the #3 QB makes sense?

aturnis

01-05-2013 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 9283985)

True. But Stanzi doesn't need to be a priority . in any way, shape, or form. If he is here fine. If not who cares. dmaybe this draft foo not want TO Reid coming in here thinking he has something to work with in Stanzi, thus passing up on a first overall pick QB, all because Stanzi has not yet gotten to continue proving his suckage on Sundays.

Some people are acting like it is some travesty that Stanzi hasn't gotten a fair shake when in reality, being Pioli's pick, if he was good even in the slightest he would have been playing in an attempt to save Pioli's job.

First of all. You have to be the dumbest mother****er even to post on this board if you think ANYONE on this forum would pass up on a QB in this draft for Stanzi. It is GENO #1 or bust.

Second, if you think Stanzi got any kind of fair shake you're a dumbass. Cassel is Pioli 63 million dollar baby, and Quinn is Romeo's first round hand picked QB. Once Clark took Pioli's power over the roster away, it was Quinn. Period.

BossChief

01-05-2013 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9284042)

What is your point? That keeping Stanzi on the roster for his 3rd year straight as the #3 QB makes sense?

It all comes down to if he makes the roster or not. If he does, Reid believes he has potential and maybe we can showcase Stanzi at some point for a trade in a year or two. If he cuts him, I hope the kid saved most of the money he has made.

Not many of us become millionaires with the level of ease Stanzi has.

aturnis

01-05-2013 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9284042)

What at at is your point. That keeping Stanzi on the roster for is 3rd year straight the #3 QB makes sense?

How can you act like Stanzi should have benefited or grown as a QB at all this year? Really. Name one reason why he should be better.

Was is Romeo's expertise, or Daboll's credentials that you are going off of?

Who was going to make him, or anyone a better QB?

jd1020

01-05-2013 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9284059)

How can you act like Stanzi deserves more time if a second coaching staff says he's not worth the backup spot in year 3?

#2 or ****ing cut him. He's got 2 years left on his contract.

BossChief

01-05-2013 12:32 AM

Crennel traded up using two second rounders and a first to take Quinn iirc. Pioli traded a very high second rounder for Cassel and gave him a carbon copy of Aaron Rodgers contract (which is a clear sign that is how he saw Cassels talent level at the time ROFL)

Quinn and Cassel.

These were the chosen quarterbacks of these jackasses...I'm probably wrong about Stanzi and he will get cut...but if he doesn't, I like his chances.

aturnis

01-05-2013 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9283988)

You can't cry "source??!!? " when one posts his opinions. The "source" is my last post. FFS.

When you post that Pioil prevented RAC from starting a player, that's when you're called out.

Badgirl?

You point to his one choke and ignore his many late game comebacks and game winning drives...

DeezNutz

01-05-2013 12:34 AM

So Haley was allowed to play Palko to rub it in Pioli's face, but Stanzi was off-limits why? Logical inconsistency here if we're to disregard everything associated with the past season.

jd1020

01-05-2013 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9284068)

You point to his one choke and ignore his many late game comebacks and game winning drives...

What is this? 2011?

DeezNutz

01-05-2013 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9284068)

You point to his one choke and ignore his many late game comebacks and game winning drives...

I didn't ignore shit, which is exactly why I explicitly stated that my opinion may not be fair at all.

Based on my extremely limited exposure to Stanzi and Cousins, I wouldn't have drafted the former and would have considered the latter in the mid rounds, approximately where Stanzi was taken. I saw each play in 3 or so games per year.

Iowa fans have obviously seen shit tons more of this guy. But, as a Mizzou fan, it's important to limit one's exposure to ancillary sub-par football, and this is why I don't watch a lot of the Big X.

aturnis

01-05-2013 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9284061)

How can you act like Stanzi deserves more time if a second coaching staff says he's not worth the backup spot in year 3?

#2 or ****ing cut him. He's got 2 years left on his contract.

WHAT THE MOTHER**** does him being the #3 have to do with him deserving the #2 if the team drafts Geno or any other rookie QB to be the franchise guy and CHOOSE to bring in a veteran to help along that rookie?

Jason Campbell, Michael Vick or any other guy ain't coming here to help along a rookie QB and sit at #3!

If they choose to bring in a veteran to help, he will be #2, PERIOD!

BossChief

01-05-2013 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9284069)

So Haley was allowed to play Palko to rub it in Pioli's face, but Stanzi was off-limits why? Logical inconsistency here if we're to disregard everything associated with the past season.

Why was Hudson kept off the field in favor of Lilja as a rookie, even when he vastly outplayed him when he filled for an injury?
Same with Asamoah as a rookie when Lilja started at rg over him?
Why was Tom Brady inactive his rookie year?

Because of the failed farce that was just ushered out of town...that's why.

How many times did Vinny Testaverde get brought back for Parcells?

The veteran plays and the kid sits...that's their way.

jd1020

01-05-2013 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9284077)

He doesn't deserve the #2 spot. He either earns it or he needs to be cut. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

BossChief

01-05-2013 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9284077)

If they sign a starting quality vet, that means Stanzi would get cut.

If they draft two, Stanzi will stick.

aturnis

01-05-2013 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9284069)

So Haley was allowed to play Palko to rub it in Pioli's face, but Stanzi was off-limits why? Logical inconsistency here if we're to disregard everything associated with the past season.

Based on Pioli's and Patriots history with rookie QB's, what makes you think Stanzi was an option for Todd?

DeezNutz

01-05-2013 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9284078)

Are you really going to assert that Palko had earned "vet status" with any of the coaches? The Palko of 6 total pass attempts in the regular season, prior to '11? OK.

Come on, brah. This is a ridiculous stretch.

DeezNutz

01-05-2013 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9284082)

Based on Pioli's and Patriots history with rookie QB's, what makes you think Stanzi was an option for Todd?

Because Haley hated Pioli and Palko was equally unproven and raw.

aturnis

01-05-2013 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossCHIEF9284081

If they sign a starting quality vet, that means Stanzi would get cut..

If they draft two, Stanzi will stick.

I think the opposite. If you bring in two rookies, you HAVE to bring in a veteran journeyman. Look at Washington.

If you bring in our election and a veteran, then your third spot is there for a guy you think MIGHT have a chance of being good.

aturnis

01-05-2013 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9284088)

Because. se Haley hated Pioli and Palko was equally unproven and raw.

Pioli set the game day roster

aturnis

01-05-2013 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9284080)

He doesn't deserve the #2 spot. He either earns it or he needs to be cut. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

So who is going to help along your rookie franchise QB if he does earn it?

jd1020

01-05-2013 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9284097)

So who is going to help along your rookie franchise QB?

The coaches?

Unless you believe Stanzi has some insight that will be helpful to the new rookie QB.

DeezNutz

01-05-2013 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9284094)

Pioli set the game day roster

So Pioli green lighted Palko? However, according to some narratives, Haley started Palko to spite Pioli. These two narratives cannot co-exist.

The easiest explanation, the one that accounts for the last two years combined, is that Stanzi isn't very good.

Trust me, I'm not rooting for this. We need a great QB, and if some 5th round diamond in the rough can be this guy? Beautiful.

But the odds say, and pretty convincingly, that he sucks.

Go prove the odds wrong, Stanzi. We're all cheering for you.

BossChief

01-05-2013 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9284086)

Palko was the backup for 2010, too. To those mongoloids we just sent packing, he was the vet quarterback.

Laughable? Absolutely. The truth? Sadly, yes.

aturnis

01-05-2013 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9284101)

So Pioli green lighted Palko However, according to some narrative, Haley started Palko to spite Pioli. These two narratives cannot co-exist.

The easiest explanation, the one that accounts for the last two years combined, is that Stanzi isn't very good.

Trust me, I'm not rooting for this. We need a great QB, and if some 5th round diamond in the rough can be this guy? Beautiful.

But the odds say, and pretty convincingly, that he sucks.

Go prove the odds wrong, Stanzi. We're all cheering for you.

The "Haley started Palko in spite of Pioli" was the best attempt by fans to rationalize what was happening, conspiracy theory.

The fact that Pioli set the game day roster for Haley, was reported by connected people in industry...

NJChiefsFan

01-05-2013 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9283962)

BOOM, Headshot.

I think you are confusing this as a defense of stanzi when it isn't. SNR corect me if I am wrong..

BossChief

01-05-2013 01:15 AM

Reid was able to coach up AJ Feeley and Kevin Kolb to where he flipped them for second rounders...I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Reid is able to duplicate something like that with Stanzi.

jd1020

01-05-2013 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9284138)

Reid was able to coach up AJ Feeley and Kevin Kolb to where he flipped them for second rounders...I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Reid is able to duplicate something like that with Stanzi.

He might not have to. I heard Pioli was good about trading 2nd round picks for his previous teams trash.

Seriously though, I doubt we flip Stanzi for anything. AJ Feely went on a tear to lead the Eagles to the playoffs winning 4 out of 5 and Kolb spent 4 years in Philly, which means Stanzi would need to be extended.

I'd rather have Reid start from scratch with the QBs. He'd have to take a blind leap of faith on Stanzi, who we all agree was drafted by a FO that doesn't know shit about QBs. Let the "QB guru" draft 2 QBs and get a vet.

mcaj22

01-05-2013 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9284078)

Ryan Lilja finished his career with us grading out positive in all three years on PFF

yes including this year. He was very good for us. Quit being a homer for shitty Pioli picks

BossChief

01-05-2013 01:39 AM

Asamoah and Hudson were shitty picks now?

ROFL

aturnis

01-05-2013 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 9284125)

I think you are confusing this as a defense of stanzi when it isn't. SNR corect me if I am wrong..

Nope. SNR has been a big Stanzi supporter.

BurtGummer44Magnum

01-05-2013 02:08 AM

Tony Romo

Geno Smith

Collin Klein

AussieChiefsFan

01-05-2013 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BurtGummer44Magnum (Post 9284206)

Tony Romo

Geno Smith

Collin Klein

LMAO

Sorter

01-05-2013 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9284113)

There are few different options that seem plausible

1. Haley wanted Palko, and started him out of spite
2. Haley wanted Palko, thought he was horrible and was denied to start another (Stanzi, Orton)
3. Haley didn't want Palko and he was forced to start him

IMO, those are the 3 most plausible scenarios.

RealSNR

01-05-2013 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9284167)

Nope. SNR has been a big Stanzi supporter.

I like Stanzi. Wish all the best for him, and I STILL think if he were in a better system with better coaches and were given an opportunity, he could be a decent NFL QB. I still say he was the best QB on our roster this season.

In a way I should be thankful that he struggled in preseason. If he had beat out Brady Quinn he would have won games during the season when Cassel got benched.

I've moved on from Stanzi. Again, wish him all the best in his football career. But now I'm all about Geno Smith. Ricky isn't a concern or a care of mine.

Sorter

01-05-2013 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9284232)

QFt

RealSNR

01-05-2013 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 9284125)

I think you are confusing this as a defense of stanzi when it isn't. SNR corect me if I am wrong..

It was mostly an excuse to shit on Kirk Cousins. I do relish those opportunities, because I think Cousins would be sucking hard/would be as irrelevant as Stanzi if he weren't being coddled by Rat and Friends in Washington.

You take a poster like Reerun who ****ing loathes Stanzi but is open to acquiring Cousins for the right price as a backup. That kind of stupidity makes my blood boil.

NJChiefsFan

01-05-2013 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9284238)

I hear you. That makes more sense. I was on the Stanzi train this offseason if for no other reason than we were looking at a wasted season with the other 2 QBs. Why not just try it. I thought his original preseason was decent. At this point with the situation we are currently in Stanzi basically gets pushed to the back whether he deserves it or not. I would agree though that Cousins came into a very comfortable situation, relatively speaking, something that Stanzi was never going to see.

TimeForWasp

01-05-2013 07:15 AM

I think Vick is like an abused dog right now. He lost his spunk and confidence. He is ruined.

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