Especially since they usually keep same price point and up specs/features.

Yeah that sounds about right I guess.

So any recommendations for my ebook reader buying need?

Wait for iPad to play with at Apple Store? Buy a Kindle sight unseen or played with? Buy a nook?

Use the money to upgrade my phone and wait out the new bloodbath?

You can't really go wrong with the Kindle from what I've seen and heard. The Nook looks nice as well. I think if you're wanting an ebook reader, I'd buy an ebook reader. Don't go with the iPad.

Do you think the price difference between iPad and Kindle's BOOKS is a result of DRM or lack there of?

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LMAO

Macbook wheel?That looks like it sucks big time.It would take me forever to type on that thing.I think it would be cool if they took the key board off of a Macbook and made the whole base a touch pad.You could have a virtual key board like that anyway.

It's not a 16:9 screen though, so it's not true widescreen. Bad reports of watching movies have already started to filter out.

Nice product but waste of money.

Huh. Looks like a fun toy, but I'd rather have a netbook.

Think Apple consulted MadTV about the name?

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The Onion

:facepalm:

Just making sure you knew. I couldn't tell if you were being sarcastic from the post or not.

I'm just surprised it took so long for anyone to say something.

Me too. This place has gone to shit since Phobia left.

At least you didn't report it to snopes.com like CCTS did with a recent onion post in DC. That was awesome Chiefsplanet moment of the week.

Can I get it with wings?

I was gonna say wow,I want one of those,but I figured that would be too easy.:shake:
ROFL

Apple has effed itself with it's OS. They should buy Palm, and WebOS. I'm either waiting for the Microsoft Courier, or whatever tablet comes out with WebOS.

Depends on how you look at it. I'm sure Apple sees it as iPhone OS = App Store = profits! Lock-in can be a very profitable route if people buy this thing. I'm just not sure they will.

I was gonna get one for the wife,but after finally getting all the specs and stuff I don't think I'm gonna waste my money.Maybe after they upgrade the ports,give you expandable memory,and add an actual O S,but till then I think its a joke.

If you get to constantly LOL @ me in the DC, this is where I get to LOL @ you.

Courier, as I've pointed out plenty of times, is vaporware at best.

And webOS has, thus far, gone nowhere. Android has a better market share than webOS.

Apple has not effed itself with its OS. It's simply merging the desktop and mobile computing platforms. You'll see them continue to do this until the touch/tablet idea really takes off. Their OS has positioned them as the leader. It's the one thing they really, really have going for them.

After reading some commentary online from many non-Apple-fanbois, I think this device is going to be a hit. It's more revolutionary than it seems at first blush.

I think given 2-3 revisions, it'll be exactly what I need.

Kindle 2 or Nook is the way i'm leaning

both have the improved Ink contrast and have had firmware improvements to tweak the bugs.

if you want the additional size i imagine the kindle Dx will drop in price in awhile.

Not trying to yank anyones chain, but why are these Kindle devices better than holding a real book??

I just thought of a really great application in my life for one of these: a kitchen computer, which I need. Currently I use my laptop, but this would be pretty sweet. Basically I need to be able to store edit/print recipes, browse the web, and control my music. The size would be perfect as well.

it's not

but a kindle holds 1,500 books with the ability to buy books immediately at the touch of a button. As they mature they will do other things beside being ebooks as well.

eventually they will replace laptops completely

they kind of do that already

the Kindle Dx allows for notes for .pdf files and you can upload you recipes to it through a computer if you convert them to .pdf. It's browser is limited right now but it has one. i think Amazon throttles the internet access to prevent much real browsing.

by the end of the year Asus is coming out with a couple of different models which are gonna allow 3G and Wifi with a real browser.

ah....ok, thanks. Definately would save on shelf space.

So it connects to the internet then?

ASUS DR-950 ereader live shots released

By Chris Davies on Friday, Jan 22nd 2010

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The DR-950 has a 1024 x 768 resolution display, supporting PDF, ePub and HTML files among others, and offers text-to-speech and RSS. There’s also 2-4GB of onboard storage – with an SD card slot to augment that – together with a USB port and 3.5mm headphone jack, and ASUS aren’t ruling out squeezing WiMAX into the 0.35-inch thick frame.

We’re not quite so ready as Electricpig to declare the touchscreen layer interference-free, and will want to have a closer look (at a real unit, not press shots) to figure out whether it blurs the E Ink panel or not. Still, it’s another interesting looking ereader; let’s just hope the Apple iPad doesn’t sweep the bottom out of the segment next Wednesday.
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The kindle has a free cell phone type connection to the internet provided by Amazon to people who buy the kindle.

other ebooks are coming out with true wifi abilities

cheaper than the DX?


Asus Ereaders Could Be Launching Much Earlier Than Expected

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The DR-950 and DR-570 weren't expected to go on sale until the very end of the year, but Digitimes is quoting sources as placing the two ereaders on a second quarter release schedule. Asus has commented they haven't yet started producing enough of the ereaders for them to launch, but the initial Q4 release date is looking more and more unrealistic, since photos of the 950 looking very polished turned up on Asus' UK Flickr account the other day. [Digitimes]

UPDATED: Electricpig has dished out the UK pricing and availability deets, with an April launch slated for the DR-950, and a rough £250 cost ($403).

One thing that seems pretty consistent in everything I've read is that you really can't appreciate the iPad until you've held it and used it. I've seen MANY people who were at the event say this. It does kind of make sense. It's easy to point out what we perceive are flaws (I really wanted a webcam), but until I get a chance to actually see it, I'm going to reserve judgement a little.

I got a Kindle for Christmas and returned it in anticipation of the iPad. So I pretty much had $300 (when you count the leather case for the Kindle) set aside for this.

In the short time I used the Kindle, I liked it overall. A pretty good experience for purchasing and reading books, although my opinion is that the e-ink screen is overrated. The Kindle sucks though at newspapers and magazines.

The way I look at it, the iPad should be able to at least match the Kindle on reading books. Again, this is because I think the Kindle's screen is vastly overrated. However, the iPad should be leaps and bounds ahead of the Kindle and everyone else when it comes to newspapers and magazines. Throw in the fact that you can browse the web and all of the other features, it seems worth the extra $200 when I think about it.

I didn't read this whole thread, so if this is reposted info, sorry.

But Pretty much this thing will be a nice piece of overpriced FAIL!!!

http://gizmodo.com/5458382/8-things-...+gizmodo/full+

No Multitasking = Biggest fail ever. That alone will kill this PoS.

Have you seen this amazing technology for allowing to take books with you? It's easy to carry, light, and you can read pretty much whenever you feel like! It's called a paperback.

On the subject of e-books... Browsing the App Store last night on my Touch, found a now-free app called "Classics", which puts 23 classic books in your iPod Touch or iPhone:

Call Of The Wild
The Art of War
The Iliad
The Odyssey
The Wizard of Oz
Frankenstein
The Count of Monte Cristo
Treasure Island
Dracula
Pride and Prejudice
Flatland
Gulliver's Travels
A Christmas Carol
The Metamorphosis
Hound Of The Baskervilles
The Time Machine
Huck Finn
The Jungle Book
20,000 Leagues Under The Sea
Paradise Lost
Robinson Crusoe
Alice in Wonderland
Through the Looking Glass

You tap the book on the shelf, then flip the pages with your finger. If you close the book, it puts a bookmark in place.

ROFL

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*Sigh*

It has multitasking. Just only Apple-approved multitasking, which, I think 4.0 software will change. Or one can hope.

That and the speed. Apparently it's blazing fast. Apple's own A4 chip. That's probably the bigger news. Especially if they shrink down that chip...


That's where I'm at. And that's why I'm still kind of hmmmm, which one....

Yeah, I think my main thing with news and magazines would be Instapaper which, combined with Kindle (and it works with nook too) is, from what I hear, glorious.

I think you'll sing a different tune on e-ink vs led when you spend a good chunk reading on it. And do that over and over. Long term reading is going to be a pain. If it wasn't, wouldn't more people be reading ebooks on laptops...

Are you still leaning that way with Asus' ereader. It looks awesome but I'm not sure I wanna shell out another 150 for it.

What are your thoughts re Kindle 2 vs Nook?

*sigh* What in the holy hell is apple approved multitasking? You can only use itunes and safari at once?


I'm sorry man, but BS. Pay out the ass for limited options. No Thanks.

Apple approved means that their apps can multitask. All of their touch devices CAN multitask. It's just a question of which apps. Their email, music, safari, calendar, clock, etc etc, can multitask. Pandora and other third party apps cannot. It's misleading to say it cannot multitask.



Pay out the ass? Seriously?

Apple shocked everyone by releasing it at $499.

Apple hatas gonna hate, I guess.

So you're saying that its ok to only let apple apps multi task. Cool.

and you're syaing that this thing will cost less than an iphone. Cool

Apple, fanboi's will be fanbois i guess.

Apple doesn’t want to sell devices that can do everything; they want to find the best form factor to consume some types of digital content, and then focus on them. If you look at it, you can do pretty much everything on your personal computer; by that philosophy, you don’t need anything else besides a laptop. And yet, you’ve now got smartphones and e-readers selling very well. Could it be that one powerful device is not as good as several less powerful, but more focused ones?

Betcha anything you are wrong.

depends on how long it takes for these new Asus models to be released.

if that 9" asus was out right now and i could get some concrete info i would definitely look at it.

I mean the asus is gonna have Wifi/3G and a upgrade memory slot and a full touch screen for $400?

cheaper than the DX and with more features gets my attention.

I didn't make this up, these are the guys at gizmado saying this. Which I linked the article.

If what IJH is saying is true, it's better than no multitasking, but honestly...

"Thow shalt only use Mac software."

Is a pretty big hit to the device. Then again, Mac people might think this is great since Mac software is the greatest in the universe ever. :(

They could have knocked it out of the park with this device and completely taken over the tablet market instead, its a larger version of an iTouch. BFD.

Your comparison is a loose grab at logic at best. Yes you can do all of these on your home PC or laptop. But the difference between a smartphone/iPhone and a laptop is the extreme portability. You can take your phone anywhere, how many people you see at the club sitting on their cell phone? How many do you see sitting on a laptop.

I get what you are saying, but this iPad is not one of Apple's better moves. If they wanted to make an e-reader, why market it as a tablet.

Point to where I said this. I stated a fact: Apple apps can multitask, therefore it has multitasking capability.

Point to where I or anyone said that? The initial starting price is $499. There's nothing but fact there.

If you consider me to be a fanboi, I hate to see what you think of the people more rabid than I.

Doesn't mean they're wrong.

What I am saying IS True. It's true now and has been for a long while.

Again, not true. Plenty of apps available. Of course, multitasking is probably what you're referring to but nonetheless it's misleading.

Man, don't let your true fanboi shine!

Actually, I thought the same thing. Until I read some articles and commentary from people who had hands on. Rick's post was pretty spot on with what I heard. You have to play with it to really have any say on it. It's screaming fast.

There really isn't a tablet market right now. There have been tablets but no one really has done anything worth while in the market. Best thing so far is Courier by MS but as always it's vaporware.

I think you underestimate the power of a large iPod Touch. It's not for me, at least right now. I'll wait for a couple revisions before buying. A) the software will mature B) Apple always increases specs and features without raising price and C) if you look at the iPod generations they got increasing features that made upgrading look good, I bet this follows suit.

Also, Apple is proving that multitasking (except in media sectors like music or social networking like twitter) is an old concept in need of replacement. When you think about it, your iPhone/Touch apps save where you were in the app and what you were doing. Closing and reopening is just like swiping to an open app.

It wasn't until someone pointed that out to me that it clicked. Read here: http://cloud-factory.com/blog/2010/1...-the-ipad.html

Thanks.

Kindle 2, IIRC, now has PDF support but that was the only thing different on that chart.

I'm with you, though, if I could see the Asus I could make up my mind. But then if I wait for Asus I'll see something else and wait and keep waiting. I'm thinking I should just go with it. Use it for a year or two and then survey the field.

Are you siding more nook or more Kindle 2 at the moment?

I think you're right. I like the idea of traveling with an IPad with 3G capability, GPS etc weighing only 1.5lbs versus a typical DELL Laptop that weighs 8lbs. It makes a big difference.

Imagine if they snuck a GPS in there. Phew, I don't know what I'd do...

Just a few tweaks and I'd be sold,but as is I'll have to pass.

I think the top end model has GPS like the I-Phone

I would of marketed it as the ITab

Just to avoid the jokes

That's where I'm at. And if fails thus far in the e-reader market which is what I needed at the moment.

Technically any of them with 3G has a AGPS in it. It isn't Garmin-like GPS but it gets the job done (aka iPhone).

I was hoping for Apple Canvas.

actually the Nook also has WiFi,memory expansion and a replaceable battery over the Kindle line. If the battery goes bad you can fix it with the Nook.

Nook also "Lends" out books compared to DRM with the kindle.


Kindle has browser capability and text to speech. I don't care about the text to speech but even the limited/throttled browsing of the kindle is appealing.

but .... i hear that even after the latest firmware the Nook is still kind of sluggish with it's clicks and refreshing.


dammit i wish i could squish the 2 together and get the best of both. :cuss:


i'm leaning slightly to the Kindle because of the responsiveness but in reality i'm going to do my best to wait until April to see the Asus.

35 days and counting .....

If the iPad had preceded the iPhone, people would be shitting themselves over both. "Oh my God the made the iPad SMALLER with a PHONE!?"

They don't want you to create on it...

They want you to consume. And people will...like nuts.

Yeah, I think we're in the same boat.

I reread my post. I didn't mean the only thing the nook had that the Kindle didn't I just meant the only thing B&N could be perceived about being misleading. Of course, it was only after they made the chart that PDF support was fixed. So they just haven't updated it. ;)

I'm going to have to do some digging tomorrow about the Asus.

Yes. And it reminds me of Louis CK. Everything's amazing, no one's happy.

True, but at least it's original. iPad is still a shitty name.

Yes. My iPod Touch (and, thus, I assume, the iPhone) doesn't exactly "multitask" in terms of having more than one thing open at a time and visible to you, but it seems to keep running parts of stuff in the background (e.g. the Push notifications which you can have pop up). And if you close a game, for example, when you re-open it you can sometimes pick up where you left off, as if the app is leaving little info-cookies so it knows where to go back to.

I can get Push notifications when someone e-mails me, or IMs me, or posts to my Facebook account, or if the Associated Press breaks a news story, or if my favorite sports team scores a TD or a run or a goal or whatever. So it's like multitasking, it's just not called that.

There's the real gist of it right there...

They could have consumed much more of an initial market just by doing a few of these simple and seemingly obvious things. Most of you know how much I support Mac. But I'm very disappointed in the iPad. The biggest kicker for me is that it's running iPhone OS instead of OS X. That's beyond stupid, and I think it's the detail that will hurt them the most in the end.

The biggest market for this type of device is school/medical/record keeping roles. On the go data entry. The iPad will not allow that group to load the software they're already using. Along with Office, or other productivity software. And it will require them to take extra steps with a lot of data transfer, as opposed to just connecting a flash drive or SD card. It limits the HD space for saving things locally too. Even 64GB won't be enough in some environments.

I understand the way Apple likes to "out do" certain niche markets, and limit overall versatility to increase specialized functionality. But IMO, the opportunity to take a stranglehold to a much more broad "versatile tablet/ebook/netbook" market far outweighs that. They could have given a pile driver to Kindle, Nook, and netbook manufacturers all at once with this single nifty device. But instead they "iPhone crippled" it and priced it low to compete.

Maybe the safe move will pay off in the end, but I think most would have preferred to see the huge splash...

Totally agree.I was expecting OS X on it and more power.They really could have opened everyones eyes with this,but I can't say I'm impressed very much.

My wife uses a desk top located downstairs. It's slllloooowww and needs to be replaced. I could see getting her one of these as a replacement. She 1) plays solitaire; 2) email; 3) internet; and 4) does music. Problem is she has a Zune instead of an ipod. If we can solve the music conversion problem, this might be a good deal for a more portable, comfortable device. Also, she's a huge reader so the reader aspect would be a plus.

it just has so many things but they seem like they are functioning at 50%, kind of like the first iPhone. I think I'll wait for the iPad G2 before I would to purchase it for my own personal use. My girlfriend is an English Ph.D student and I want to get her a e-reader and after reading this thread I'm curious on what to do....I kind of want to make her the test subject and get the iPad. When does it come out? What do y'all think I should do for her in terms of the e-reader?

88 days...

Myself I'd go with the Nook, or more preferably wait for the Asus...

[EDIT]: Even more preferably... wait for the iPad G2....

The reader is the main reason my wife wants it,but I think I'll still wait for G2.

I thought it was really stupid\silly for them to exclude Flash while browsing. 90% of web pages use some sort of flash.

Going to Japan again in March. Gonna be watching movies, and playing poker on this bad boy on the way there.

The fact that my iPod Touch can't do Flash or Java is the main drawback. Half the websites I go to don't fully work. Unfortunately, I get the feeling both of those need a real OS to function, so the iPad probably wouldn't be able to get them to work.

You know you can jailbreak that, and the Flash plugin will work for it.....

it's almost like they deliberately left a bunch of stuff out of the Ipad so they had improvements to add in the next versions. Take advantage of the initial ebook rush to sell crap and then add the real improvements later on when people start to really compare the features.

:shrug:

I'll be interested in this when it drops to $349 or less. I love my iPod touch but right now, I just don't see any benefit to this Pad that I can't do on the touch other than a bigger screen and less portability. Make it $349 with the 3G already installed and upgradeable storage then we can talk. Probably will take a minimum of 2 years to get there though.

Why do people just keep mentioning ebook readers..

lol

This does exponentially more than ebook readers. I don't even know how they can compare.

The iPhone and iPod touch haven't run Flash natively in the years since their respective debuts, and it's pretty clear based on Steve Jobs's presentation yesterday that the iPad won't run Flash, either. When scrolling through the New York Times's main page, for example, where Flash ads or video might have been there were instead broken LEGO icons, big as life on the screen at the keynote.

Predictably, Adobe isn't happy about this, and is accusing Apple of "continuing to impose restrictions on their devices that limit both content publishers and consumers." They go on to say that without Flash support, "users will not be able to access the full range of web content, including over 70% of games and 75% of video on the web."

Let's work backwards from this. First of all, I'd be very interested to see where Adobe got those percentages. Apparently YouTube now accounts for a mere 25% of video on the internet? As for Hulu and a few of the other specific sites mentioned in Adobe's rant, now that Apple is in the business of selling content, exactly how is it in the company's best interest to provide access to that same content, through another company's platform, for free? And as far as games are concerned, once again Apple has this covered, through the App Store. Far from being limited, content publishers and consumers will merely have to adjust to a new method of publishing and consuming content: one that doesn't involve Adobe in any way.

I know anecdotal data is the worst kind there is, but in nearly a year of using my iPhone to connect to the internet, not only have I not missed Flash, I've been glad it isn't there. Flash's performance on Mac OS X is so abysmal that when YouTube announced an opt-in HTML5 beta to replace Flash, I bounced up and down in my office chair in glee. I can only imagine the bag of hurt that would be introduced if Apple let Flash run on its mobile devices.

If you want to know why Flash doesn't run on the iPhone, the iPod touch, or the iPad, why Flash will never run on those devices, and why that's a really good thing, check out this piece by Daring Fireball's John Gruber. One of the key points of Gruber's argument is that Flash is, by far, the biggest source of application crashes in OS X. Flash crashes so often that Apple's engineers went out of their way to create a new mechanism for running plugins in Snow Leopard; in 10.6, Flash runs as its own process rather than being lumped in with Safari, meaning than when (not if) Flash crashes, it doesn't bring all of Safari down with it. Considering Flash's poor stability and fan-blasting, CPU-hogging performance on the Mac, gee, why wouldn't Apple want it running on their mobile devices?

Want to see something that "imposes restrictions on content publishers and consumers?" Look no farther than Flash itself. According to the company's own (possibly made-up) numbers, 70% of games and 75% of video on the internet is all shuffled through one company's proprietary plugin. I don't know about you, but that sounds awfully restrictive to me. It seems like a really bad idea to let a single company have that much control over the creation and delivery of the internet's content, don't you think?.

With the iPhone and iPod touch we already have tens of millions of mobile devices owned by tens of millions of highly satisfied consumers, and not one of those devices runs Flash. With the advent of the iPad, we can expect millions more mobile devices to hit the market, and none of them will run Flash, either. Thanks to YouTube and vimeo, HTML5's star is on the rise for delivering free video content on the internet, and the App Store has gaming covered. There's no telling what the internet will look like in ten years, but one thing appears certain: if things continue as they have, Adobe will no longer have the stranglehold over video and gaming content that it enjoys today.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/28/a...o-impose-rest/