Tannehill is actually pretty good and is probably the barometer for the type of season whatever QB we draft in round 1 will have.

He is more of the type of production you get from a rookie QB in his first year. Some good, some bad, some ugly, tons of potential, etc.

How do we know this? What has he done to prove this? Didn't like the pick staying in place let alone on a trade up.

What you just asking to be called a moron today? :p

Come on Davone Bess is their best WR down there. Their OL is shit. Reggie Bush is their RB. He has looked pretty good with what I have seen of him especially considering what is around him.
And if it takes you or anyone else having to see to believe you will always be late to the party and miss out.

I take it some of you guys don't watch many of the games or sportscenter or Total Access or NFL Live.

I don't read every thread, but honestly, I don't get the racism accusations against the posters here. I've seen huge props given out to RGIII, Cam and Gino. I've seen some negative comments, but they were all performance based. Can the accuser(s) here (Bump) site some examples of racist comments against black QBs? I hope this accusation is NOT based strictly on performance comments. If that's the case, then Matt Cassel, Brady Quinn and Scott Pioli must all be black.

They had a Spurt-tacular QB last year and everyone was pimping the Daboll offense for bringing Bush out of his shell and milking the minimal talent there for all it was worth...

He doesn't have tons of potential. You have a qb rawer than geno, a guy with good not elite arm strength, and a guy with limited college playing experience. He has good enough mobility, but not enough to make him a running qb. Add in that he has really small hands and might struggle in bad weather, which is exactly what you want in a division with buffalo, new England, and the jets, not to mention will make him a threat to fumble a lot. Still believe his upside is to be a borderline top 10 qb and his downside risk was very high. He's playing better than I thought, but he's not a miss that's going to keep me up at night.

Geno is faster, has the frame and hands, and has a ton more experience even if it's not necessarily optimal, and throws a much better and more accurate ball.

Ummmm...might have to do with the fact that a number of our posters don't remember watching Young. (I remember, but then again, I remember when the wheel was invented.)

Cam is super talented but dumb as a mud brick. His ceiling is limited at QB.

RG III has a completely different build and has the intelligence to fit any offense.

The athletic QB has become the new sexy. It just is.

That said there will still be some hold outs, no matter the play, that say "just another dumb ****er running with the football..."

This is life...

Not a truckload of money, a lot of people out there think we broke the bank with Flynn. Just not the case..



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so you think Cassel and Geno are comparable? Idiot/cp
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Moore was their QB and they had Brandon Marshall too. Well anyone pimping Daboll for anything...well it is just stupid, Reggie Bush what a disappointing career that dude has had, their offensive talent was bad enough but then they got rid of Marshall so their talent level has dropped even further.

Maybe (I don't know enough to comment on Cam or RG's intelligence), but I still don't recall reading any racist posts on black QBs. A person's preference on QB style (pocket passer vs. running QB) doesn't have to be about race. Just because I like athletic QBs that can run, doesn't mean I'm prejudice against white QBs. Even if most white QBs are pocket passers.

I think we need to acknowledge that despite stereotypes and preferences for style of play, the vast majority of posters here are concerned with the quality of QB play and NOT the QB race/ethnicity. To assign a racist agenda to the entire board deserves a rebuttal.

Exactly!

There's the rub. Best litmus test... Anyone who questioned rgIIIs character or intelligence. Anyone who did probably hates on any black qb.

Cam doesn't belong in this equation. Lots of reasons to question his character, regardless of race.

Still, it's always a factor.

I don't think it's the fans I think it's the NFL.

Race doesn't play an issue?

Ok.

How many white RB's or WR's were taken in the 1st over the last 10 years?

That's ****ing 68.4% of the population of this country.

And how many white HB's or WR's were worth spending a 1st on?...

Will RG3 have some regression in his 2nd season? Probably, but Cam didn't show the same accuracy, maturity, or decision-making.

That's based on pure physical characteristics. There is physical evidence that says you can or can't. Leadership, football iq, and character are heavily influenced by opinion.

How many white rbs had the complete physical package?

I don't know but if there were no black QB's in that same time frame people would be throwing a fit.

It works both ways.

Stereotypes work both ways.


By the way, when you sweat, you smell like wet dog...

Race will be a factor as long as the "human" factor is involved.
People no matter their race can't help what they are naturally good at or naturally bad at.
It is merely other people wanting to say look the blacks or the whites are better at this or that. Who cares what color your skin. Just do what you are good at. Somebody wanting to use these type of statistics for anything racial is just not a very good person and should lose all credibility.
I don't care that someone is better at something than I am because I will be better than they are at something. It is just the way life is for all of us.

The NFL uses them...

For anything racial?

Perhaps this has nothing to do with race. It also has nothing to do with data/reality. Vailpass noted:

"Running is what he does, regardless of how bad you want to think otherwise."

The dumbshits on this message board who claimed that RGIII wasn't worth trading up to the #2 overall pick to draft should kill themselves.

The same clowns who said Manning would fail in Denver and the same crowd who said that the Chiefs could get going once the regular season started after looking like total dog shit during preseason...

After we lose to Carolina at home.

Still doing work.

The Chiefs Draft panel

Bwahahahaha... /Pioli

RGIII and Luck are just OMG good.

I honestly have them ranked as the 5th and 6th best QB's in the NFL...already. Their rookie seasons. Insane.

1a. Peyton
1b. Brady
2. Rodgers
3. Eli
4. Brees
5. Luck
6. RGIII
7. Big Ben

and that's not taking into account anything other than 2012 value alone

I'm just amazed by Russel Wilson.

He's turning out to be not just some nice 3rd round pick story. He's proving he's a legit franchise QB. Sure he doesn't have the height you'd typically look for but I think he has everything else.

Kudos to Seattle for grabbing him.

Guys are coming into the league ready to play and better than ever. That's why I want to puke when people want to pass on a guy like Geno for a ****ing MLB.

Like said above look at Russel Wilson and even a guy like Dalton. Geno is a better prospect by a good margin.

Right now I would probably put Matty Ryan ahead of both RG3 and Luck.

But, really, between those three they're all really neck and neck.

I could see any of the three being better than the others by a very slim margin.

Will Russel Wilson's success increase Aaron Murray's value?

This is eggsactly why we should get Geno. He is a unpolished version of RGIII. Just a little work and BAM! QBOTF Baby!

Own this bitch division for a decade with Chocolate Pain. Can't win any more this year. How awesome would it be to have the only young franchise QB in the West (anyone that says the name Assweiler gets their account nuked from orbit)?

Well I'm sure Aaron is thankful for Russell. That's for sure.

But Aaron doesn't have Russell's mobility. Hard to say at this point. Some old ways of thinking die hard.

What I like about Geno is that he runs less than RG3.

I don't want my QB owning the rookie rushing record for QBs.

And it looks like he is hurt again. This exactly why I don't want anyone that has his style of play. Is he good? Yes. Is he dependable? No.

and he looks like he won't even miss a game!

That sucks.

I was looking forward to seeing Kirk "the Savior" Cousins again...

I'd take Cousins for a 2nd round pick in a heartbeat...and draft Geno if we could. **** it.

Hell, give up a first. He's worth it.

I get the sarcasm and I understand you're a college football fan and didn't like what you saw from him while at MSU.

But I'm sorry...watching him in the preseason and then seeing him perform in a real NFL game under real NFL pressure...I think he's a gamer.

I'd have no issues with trading a 2nd or 3rd for him and drafting the BQBA in round 1.

I honestly think the Chiefs need to spend two picks on QB's this draft anyways. Whether it be on a trade for a guy like Cousins or taking a QB in the 1st and the 3rd.

That's what, 10-11 actual quarters of NFL football?

If you want to spend a 4th on him, fine.

Our 2nd-round pick is worth WAY more than Kirk ****ing Cousins.

They aren't even close.

Yeah, we dodged a real bullet there. Can you believe that clown was trying to play on a bum wheel? Cassel would never do something like that!

Any other ignorance you want to share Setsuna?

yeah maybe we can get another Jeff Allen, Dexter McCluster, Javier Arenas or Turk McBride?

someday you guys will realize a 2nd round pick is flipping a quarter 3 times and hoping to guess right twice (for a good player) or 3 times (for a real good player)

I'm a Cousins fan as well. The guy has a ton of leadership qualities, carries himself well, knows how to win. I was hoping Denver would draft him instead of Osweiler.

Or we could just trade our 2nd rounder for Kirk Cousins and not get a good player 100% of the time.

See also, Ricky Stanzi.

I'm not even sure what this means. Could you explain this? It might be helpful to include some discussion of quarterback rating.

It was a response to other posts. My meaning was that Shanny runs RGIII out of the Pistol formation sometimes in Washington, and that part of RGIII's game is running when the play breaks down and, as such, he's going to take big hits.
Here is the context:

Ouch.
I think Cousins put that awful comparison to rest this weekend though don't you?
Cousins is clearly better than any QB on the KC or AZ roster. Not that that should be your standard.

If Stanzi were in Washington, in Shanahan's system, he would EASILY match what Cousins did.

Put Cousins in KC, with Romeo and the 3-ring Chiefs, and he'd be doing exactly what Stanzi is doing.

Interesting theory. Who knows. I'm sure Stanzi would be up for that.

It's really all we have to go on, unless one wants to compare a handful of quarters of preseason football.

The reality is that the largest statistical sample - their college careers - suggests STRONGLY that they're the same heady yet physically-limited game manager that won a lot of games with strong defenses and running games.

Good points all.

Ninety percent of RGIII's runs are designed option reads. On average he scrambles out of the pocket as much as an aaron rogers for extra yardage, which isn't as much as people like to spout. People that keep comparing Griffin to vick are just ****ing ill informed nitwits.

He runs when other QBs slide and he pays for it. He runs when other QBs don't. He pays for it. What is so hard to understand?

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You've watched something like one half of a redskin game this year, haven't you?

riiight

ok you win

I've watched RGIII get knocked the **** out of a game twice this year while running. Want to tell me he hasn't? What is so hard to understand about QBs that tend to run as part of their game being at higher risk of injury? The hit he took yesterday was this close to being a career ender.

So you must live in the general DC Metropolitan area if you watched both those games?

I have to watch the redskins and the vast majority of his running is designed within their game plan. He's not willy-nilly running wild every play like donkey dicks in denver seem to be led to believe. He also turns the ball over 500* less than andrew luck.

I take it meth is cheap and accessible in your area and DirecTV is not?

Yea. Your cracked out hippy state doesn't compare favorably to the common wealth of northern virginia in meth on meth crime, my friend. And I think it's funny you ape "pistol offense" catchphrases from chucky and then talk about RGIII having to escape out of the pocket, like he's in a traditional offense. He usually either chucks the ball out of bounds or checks down. His hits come in late game fourth quarter scenarios, which is typical for most quarterbacks that have to extend a series to win a game.

yeah

I agree that eventually RGIII is going to have to drop the running element out of his game...he'd be just fine as a pocket QB IMO circa Donovan McNabb (but better)

however

if you ever watch Cam Newton...his running is a thing of beauty

he senses the big hit and always does this tumble right before and almost never takes a hit...at least never a hard hit

that's one dude that knows how to run/not get hti

Woah, how'd vailpass get banned?