ChiefsPlanet

ChiefsPlanet (https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/index.php)
-   Nzoner's Game Room (https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=1)
-   -   Misc Pot Legal in Colorado and Washington for Recreational Use (https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=266302)

munkey 11-12-2012 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 9101985)
I've been wondering why Oregon rejected legalizing MJ since they are bluer than CO, but it looks like there were two problems in Oregon. First, they didn't have wealthy donors supporting it like in the other 2 states so the no side could beat it more easily. Second, the OR law was a little wacky, it would have directed the state to sell pot in state-owned shops. THAT would have been a serious problem and something the feds could have probably shut down.

Oregon is basically a socialist state...liberal as **** and the ONLY thing I hate about living in it.

ct 11-12-2012 08:23 AM

Is this why Peyton wanted Denver so bad? For his medical marijuana?

DaFace 11-14-2012 11:51 PM

First Colorado DA offiically drops charges and says that they're done prosecuting it.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_21...ight-amendment

BossChief 11-15-2012 12:22 AM

Im not much on politics, unfortunately.

When is the next time that states can vote for weed to be legalized, like in Washington and Colorado?

Is that in 4 years, or just 2?

Joe Seahawk 11-15-2012 12:29 AM

Smoked pot for the first time in 25 years last weekend, Shit's strong these days.. Not sure I want to do that again. I was at dads weekend in Pullman (WSU) That place is off the hook!

Simply Red 11-15-2012 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9105754)
So you can get all baked up and the Grand Canyon looks even more amazing...



http://i.imgur.com/imM20.gif

Joe Seahawk 11-15-2012 12:31 AM

Grand Canyon is AZ though.. Right? or am I still stoned.

BossChief 11-15-2012 12:32 AM

I miss smoking pot.

Joe Seahawk 11-15-2012 01:44 AM

Gay marriage legalized on the same day as marijuana makes perfect biblical sense now.

Quote:

Leviticus 20: 'A man who lays with another man should be stoned.' "
Our interpretation has just been wrong all these years.

go bo 11-15-2012 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Seahawk (Post 9120237)
Gay marriage legalized on the same day as marijuana makes perfect biblical sense now.



Our interpretation has just been wrong all these years.

LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO

Easy 6 11-15-2012 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9105635)
I think by 2015 you're going to see several states add this to ballots simply because of the potential revenue.

It would be a huge tax stream for this country, not to mention steal the lions share of money from the over the top mexican gangs.

All win.

Joe Seahawk 11-15-2012 02:07 AM

NBA expansion is certain.. We may have 3 or 4 NBA teams before it's all said and done... Big time Cheetoh shortage happening now..

Lookout Ballard!

teedubya 11-15-2012 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 9097591)
i honestly don't understand why weed is illegal in the first place.

yet, the nation is addicted to prescription pills for virtually every ailment you can imagine.

HEMP is the reason that "marijuana" is illegal. It was a forced prohibition by a few influential people, namely William Randolph Heart, Harry Anslinger, the DuPont family and some oil and steel magnates.

You can make over 50,000 products from the fibers and oils from Hemp... Plastics, Fuel, Food, Building materials, paper... etc

Hell, "hempcrete" is 7 times stronger than concrete and can last up to several centuries. Since you are using Hemp fibers along with Lime and water... over time, the Hempcrete wall petrifies, as the lime tries to turn back into stone by converting the carbon dioxide from the hemp fiber.

Hemp is literally the perfect plant... and oh yeah, you can also smoke the flowery bud of some hemp strains.

Joe Seahawk 11-15-2012 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teedubya (Post 9120250)
HEMP is the reason that "marijuana" is illegal. It was a forced prohibition by a few influential people, namely William Randolph Heart, Harry Anslinger, the DuPont family and some oil and steel magnates.

You can make over 50,000 products from the fibers and oils from Hemp... Plastics, Fuel, Food, Building materials, paper... etc

Hell, "hempcrete" is 7 times stronger than concrete and can last up to several centuries. Since you are using Hemp fibers along with Lime and water... over time, the Hempcrete wall petrifies, as the lime tries to turn back into stone by converting the carbon dioxide from the hemp fiber.

Hemp is literally the perfect plant... and oh yeah, you can also smoke the flowery bud of some hemp strains.

Hempcrete is not exactly a practical application due to the 2000 year cure time. However. there are many useful applications of hemp. including getting stoned.

Assud 11-15-2012 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9094426)
They won't use the courts. They'll use the IRS.

It will hold up in court just fiine as soon as they realize how in their benefit it really is.

Mr. Flopnuts 11-15-2012 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Seahawk (Post 9120174)
Smoked pot for the first time in 25 years last weekend, Shit's strong these days.. Not sure I want to do that again. I was at dads weekend in Pullman (WSU) That place is off the hook!

:clap: I'm gonna get my old man ****ed up this winter when I go back up there.

kcxiv 11-15-2012 05:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Seahawk (Post 9120174)
Smoked pot for the first time in 25 years last weekend, Shit's strong these days.. Not sure I want to do that again. I was at dads weekend in Pullman (WSU) That place is off the hook!

yep, the THC is so high that if you smoke a little of the goodshit, you just get ****ing plowed. I used to get paranoid if i smoked the really strong shit. I just used to do a little to get a head chance and relax, but sometimes, its just to strong and you just get tore a new asshole. I quit and havent done it in years and dont plan too.

Not everyone is made to reef. lol

DaFace 11-16-2012 11:38 PM

Colorado reps have filed a bill to exempt states from the CSA if they pass local legalization laws.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingne...eral-marijuana

I'm skeptical that it'll pass, but you never know.

Brock 11-16-2012 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 9120285)
yep, the THC is so high that if you smoke a little of the goodshit, you just get ****ing plowed. I used to get paranoid if i smoked the really strong shit. I just used to do a little to get a head chance and relax, but sometimes, its just to strong and you just get tore a new asshole. I quit and havent done it in years and dont plan too.

Not everyone is made to reef. lol

Practice makes perfect.

Bump 11-17-2012 12:25 AM

someone was telling me that their family lives in Colorado and they overturned this legalization. I was like wtf, really? no way. But can't find anything to back it up, not even google. I'm thinking they are full of shit.

Bump 11-17-2012 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9105754)
So you can get all baked up and the Grand Canyon looks even more amazing...

haha no doubt. When hurricane sandy hit Boston, I had a pretty good time getting baked and sitting on my porch and watching the 80 mph winds hit. I was just like...woah

Simply Red 11-17-2012 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9124501)
Practice makes perfect.

Yes.

Mr. Flopnuts 11-17-2012 05:35 AM

ROFL From the Seattle Police Department's blog.

http://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2012/1...se-in-seattle/

Marijwhatnow? A Guide to Legal Marijuana Use In Seattle
Written by Jonah Spangenthal-Lee on November 9, 2012
The people have spoken. Voters have passed Initiative 502 and beginning December 6th, it is not a violation of state law for adults over 21 years old to possess up to an ounce of marijuana (or 16 ounces of solid marijuana-infused product, like cookies, or 72 ounces of infused liquid, like oil) for personal use. The initiative establishes a one-year period for the state to develop rules and a licensing system for the marijuana production and sale.

Marijuana has existed in a grey area in Seattle for some time now. Despite a longstanding national prohibition on marijuana, minor marijuana possession has been the lowest enforcement priority for the Seattle Police Department since Seattle voters passed Initiative 75 in 2003. Officers don’t like grey areas in the law. I-502 now gives them more clarity.

Marijuana legalization creates some challenges for the Seattle Police Department, but SPD is already working to respond to these issues head on, by doing things like reviewing SPD’s hiring practices for police officers to address now-legal marijuana usage by prospective officers, as well as current employees.

While I-502 has decriminalized marijuana possession in Washington, the new state law does not change federal law, which classifies marijuana as a Schedule I narcotic. All Seattle Police officers have taken an oath to uphold not only state law, but federal law as well.

However, SPD officers will follow state law, and will no longer make arrests for marijuana possession as defined under I-502.
The Seattle Police Department and Mayor Mike McGinn have already begun working with state officials to navigate this conflict, and follow the direction of Washington voters to legalize marijuana.
In the meantime, the Seattle Police Department will continue to enforce laws against unlicensed sale or production of marijuana, and regulations against driving under the influence of marijuana, which remain illegal.

TL;DR?

Here’s a practical guide for what the Seattle Police Department believes I-502 means for you, beginning December 6th, based on the department’s current understanding of the initiative Please keep in mind that this is all subject to ongoing state and local review, and that it describes the view of the Seattle Police Department only. All marijuana possession and sale remains illegal under federal law, and Seattle Police cannot predict or control the enforcement activities of federal authorities.

Can I legally carry around an ounce of marijuana?
According to the recently passed initiative, beginning December 6th, adults over the age of 21 will be able to carry up to an ounce of marijuana for personal use. Please note that the initiative says it “is unlawful to open a package containing marijuana…in view of the general public,” so there’s that. Also, you probably shouldn’t bring pot with you to the federal courthouse (or any other federal property).

Well, where can I legally buy pot, then?
The Washington State Liquor Control Board is working to establish guidelines for the sale and distribution of marijuana. The WSLCB has until December 1, 2013 to finalize those rules. In the meantime, production and distribution of non-medical marijuana remains illegal.

Does I-502 affect current medical marijuana laws?
No, medical marijuana laws in Washington remain the same as they were before I-502 passed.

Can I grow marijuana in my home and sell it to my friends, family, and co-workers?
Not right now. In the future, under state law, you may be able to get a license to grow or sell marijuana.

Can I smoke pot outside my home? Like at a park, magic show, or the Bite of Seattle?
Much like having an open container of alcohol in public, doing so could result in a civil infraction—like a ticket—but not arrest. You can certainly use marijuana in the privacy of your own home. Additionally, if smoking a cigarette isn’t allowed where you are (say, inside an apartment building or flammable chemical factory), smoking marijuana isn’t allowed there either.

Will police officers be able to smoke marijuana?
As of right now, no. This is still a very complicated issue.

If I apply for a job at the Seattle Police Department, will past (or current) marijuana use be held against me? The current standard for applicants is that they have not used marijuana in the previous three years. In light of I-502, the department will consult with the City Attorney and the State Attorney General to see if and how that standard may be revised.

What happens if I get pulled over and an officer thinks I’ve been smoking pot?
If an officer believes you’re driving under the influence of anything, they will conduct a field sobriety test and may consult with a drug recognition expert. If officers establish probable cause, they will bring you to a precinct and ask your permission to draw your blood for testing. If officers have reason to believe you’re under the influence of something, they can get a warrant for a blood draw from a judge. If you’re in a serious accident, then a blood draw will be mandatory.

What happens if I get pulled over and I’m sober, but an officer or his K9 buddy smells the ounce of Super Skunk I’ve got in my trunk?
Under state law, officers have to develop probable cause to search a closed or locked container. Each case stands on its own, but the smell of pot alone will not be reason to search a vehicle. If officers have information that you’re trafficking, producing or delivering marijuana in violation of state law, they can get a warrant to search your vehicle.
SPD seized a bunch of my marijuana before I-502 passed. Can I have it back?
No.

Will SPD assist federal law enforcement in investigations of marijuana users or marijuana-related businesses, that are allowed under I-502?
No. Officers and detectives will not participate in an investigation of anything that’s not prohibited by state law.

December 6th seems like a really long ways away. What happens if I get caught with marijuana before then? Hold your breath. Your case will be processed under current state law. However, there is already a city ordinance making marijuana enforcement the lowest law enforcement priority.

I’m under 21. What happens if I get caught smoking pot?
It’s a violation of state law. It may referred to prosecutors, just like if you were a minor in possession of alcohol.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/kzmrljnWPXg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

*This post has been updated since its initial publication to include more legalese and fewer references to narcotics dogs which, as it turns out, are still a confusing, complicated issue still under review.

DaFace 11-17-2012 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bump (Post 9124529)
someone was telling me that their family lives in Colorado and they overturned this legalization. I was like wtf, really? no way. But can't find anything to back it up, not even google. I'm thinking they are full of shit.

You can't "overturn" a constitutional amendment.

-King- 11-17-2012 08:53 AM

SPD seized a bunch of my marijuana before I-502 passed. Can I have it back?

No.



LMAO LMAO LMAO Can't believe someone would actually ask that.
Posted via Mobile Device

DaFace 08-11-2013 02:23 PM

For all you potheads out there, Dr. Sanjay Gupta has apparently completely reversed his opinion about medical marijuana and now supports it after doing a bunch of research for a new documentary...

which airs tonight at 7pm CDT on CNN.

Set your DVR's now so that you don't forget.

DaFace 08-11-2013 02:26 PM

Also, there's murmuring that Eric Holder may actually clarify the Feds' approach to all this chaos tomorrow.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3727389.html

Rausch 08-11-2013 02:26 PM

I understand progress is slow but the point should be forcing (FORCING) the federal laws to change...

scho63 08-11-2013 06:06 PM

I'm really confused on something-Arizona passed a state immigration law that enforced their border and the US justice dept sued AZ claiming they tried to supersede the federal law.

When Colorado and Washington passed laws to legalize pot that supersedes Federal US law there is not a peep from DC.

I guess only certain laws get the scrutiny of the almighty Eric Holder.

I KNOW, I KNOW-THIS BELONGS IN DC BUT IDGAF!

Simply Red 08-11-2013 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 9094618)
Holy shit, who knew!!!???


Oh, that's right - everyone in America did 10 hours ago.

dick move post

DaFace 08-11-2013 07:51 PM

So...that thing was REALLY interesting. If you get a chance to watch it, I recommend it.

BossChief 08-11-2013 08:02 PM

The part about Charolette was really really cool.

crispystl 08-11-2013 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 9876963)
For all you potheads out there, Dr. Sanjay Gupta has apparently completely reversed his opinion about medical marijuana and now supports it after doing a bunch of research for a new documentary...

which airs tonight at 7pm CDT on CNN.

Set your DVR's now so that you don't forget.

Link? (Sorry I'm Stoned) JK LOL

Sfeihc 08-11-2013 08:05 PM

Charlotte's Web, not just a great book anymore.

DenverChief 08-11-2013 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 9877539)
I'm really confused on something-Arizona passed a state immigration law that enforced their border and the US justice dept sued AZ claiming they tried to supersede the federal law.

When Colorado and Washington passed laws to legalize pot that supersedes Federal US law there is not a peep from DC.

I guess only certain laws get the scrutiny of the almighty Eric Holder.

I KNOW, I KNOW-THIS BELONGS IN DC BUT IDGAF!

I think that has more to do with the police powers vs immigration.
Police powers are reserved to the states with a little wiggle room for federal intervention. Immigration is reserved to the federal powers without toe room for state intervention.

DenverChief 08-11-2013 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9877709)
The part about Charolette was really really cool.

Agreed. It goes to show that laws enacted out of fear and prejudice instead of science and fact are rarely good laws

Simply Red 08-11-2013 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 9877744)
I think that has more to do with the police powers vs immigration.
Police powers are reserved to the states with a little wiggle room for federal intervention. Immigration is reserved to the federal powers without toe room for state intervention.

You should start smoking pot, bud... It'd be a rad move.

DenverChief 08-11-2013 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 9877750)
You should start smoking pot, bud... It'd be a rad move.

Um...

Simply Red 08-11-2013 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 9877875)
Um...

:D

aturnis 08-11-2013 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sfeihc (Post 9877718)
Charlotte's Web, not just a great book anymore.

Shitty high though.

aturnis 08-11-2013 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 9877875)
Um...

You already do?

Simply Red 08-11-2013 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9878126)
You already do?

he is a police officer.

-King- 08-11-2013 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 9877691)
So...that thing was REALLY interesting. If you get a chance to watch it, I recommend it.

Is it coming on again?

-King- 08-11-2013 11:12 PM

Why I changed my mind on weed
By Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN Chief Medical Correspondent
August 9, 2013 -- Updated 0044 GMT (0844 HKT)

(CNN) -- Over the last year, I have been working on a new documentary called "Weed." The title "Weed" may sound cavalier, but the content is not.

I traveled around the world to interview medical leaders, experts, growers and patients. I spoke candidly to them, asking tough questions. What I found was stunning.

Long before I began this project, I had steadily reviewed the scientific literature on medical marijuana from the United States and thought it was fairly unimpressive. Reading these papers five years ago, it was hard to make a case for medicinal marijuana. I even wrote about this in a TIME magazine article, back in 2009, titled "Why I would Vote No on Pot."

Well, I am here to apologize.

I apologize because I didn't look hard enough, until now. I didn't look far enough. I didn't review papers from smaller labs in other countries doing some remarkable research, and I was too dismissive of the loud chorus of legitimate patients whose symptoms improved on cannabis.

Instead, I lumped them with the high-visibility malingerers, just looking to get high. I mistakenly believed the Drug Enforcement Agency listed marijuana as a schedule 1 substance because of sound scientific proof. Surely, they must have quality reasoning as to why marijuana is in the category of the most dangerous drugs that have "no accepted medicinal use and a high potential for abuse."

They didn't have the science to support that claim, and I now know that when it comes to marijuana neither of those things are true. It doesn't have a high potential for abuse, and there are very legitimate medical applications. In fact, sometimes marijuana is the only thing that works. Take the case of Charlotte Figi, who I met in Colorado. She started having seizures soon after birth. By age 3, she was having 300 a week, despite being on seven different medications. Medical marijuana has calmed her brain, limiting her seizures to 2 or 3 per month.

I have seen more patients like Charlotte first hand, spent time with them and come to the realization that it is irresponsible not to provide the best care we can as a medical community, care that could involve marijuana.

We have been terribly and systematically misled for nearly 70 years in the United States, and I apologize for my own role in that.
Medical facts of Marijuana


I hope this article and upcoming documentary will help set the record straight.

On August 14, 1970, the Assistant Secretary of Health, Dr. Roger O. Egeberg wrote a letter recommending the plant, marijuana, be classified as a schedule 1 substance, and it has remained that way for nearly 45 years. My research started with a careful reading of that decades old letter. What I found was unsettling. Egeberg had carefully chosen his words:

"Since there is still a considerable void in our knowledge of the plant and effects of the active drug contained in it, our recommendation is that marijuana be retained within schedule 1 at least until the completion of certain studies now underway to resolve the issue."

Not because of sound science, but because of its absence, marijuana was classified as a schedule 1 substance. Again, the year was 1970. Egeberg mentions studies that are underway, but many were never completed. As my investigation continued, however, I realized Egeberg did in fact have important research already available to him, some of it from more than 25 years earlier.

High risk of abuse

In 1944, New York Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia commissioned research to be performed by the New York Academy of Science. Among their conclusions: they found marijuana did not lead to significant addiction in the medical sense of the word. They also did not find any evidence marijuana led to morphine, heroin or cocaine addiction.

We now know that while estimates vary, marijuana leads to dependence in around 9 to 10% of its adult users. By comparison, cocaine, a schedule 2 substance "with less abuse potential than schedule 1 drugs" hooks 20% of those who use it. Around 25% of heroin users become addicted.

The worst is tobacco, where the number is closer to 30% of smokers, many of whom go on to die because of their addiction.

There is clear evidence that in some people marijuana use can lead to withdrawal symptoms, including insomnia, anxiety and nausea. Even considering this, it is hard to make a case that it has a high potential for abuse. The physical symptoms of marijuana addiction are nothing like those of the other drugs I've mentioned. I have seen the withdrawal from alcohol, and it can be life threatening.

I do want to mention a concern that I think about as a father. Young, developing brains are likely more susceptible to harm from marijuana than adult brains. Some recent studies suggest that regular use in teenage years leads to a permanent decrease in IQ. Other research hints at a possible heightened risk of developing psychosis.

Much in the same way I wouldn't let my own children drink alcohol, I wouldn't permit marijuana until they are adults. If they are adamant about trying marijuana, I will urge them to wait until they're in their mid-20s when their brains are fully developed.

Medical benefit

While investigating, I realized something else quite important. Medical marijuana is not new, and the medical community has been writing about it for a long time. There were in fact hundreds of journal articles, mostly documenting the benefits. Most of those papers, however, were written between the years 1840 and 1930. The papers described the use of medical marijuana to treat "neuralgia, convulsive disorders, emaciation," among other things.

A search through the U.S. National Library of Medicine this past year pulled up nearly 20,000 more recent papers. But the majority were research into the harm of marijuana, such as "Bad trip due to anticholinergic effect of cannabis," or "Cannabis induced pancreatitits" and "Marijuana use and risk of lung cancer."

In my quick running of the numbers, I calculated about 6% of the current U.S. marijuana studies investigate the benefits of medical marijuana. The rest are designed to investigate harm. That imbalance paints a highly distorted picture.

The challenges of marijuana research

To do studies on marijuana in the United States today, you need two important things.

First of all, you need marijuana. And marijuana is illegal. You see the problem. Scientists can get research marijuana from a special farm in Mississippi, which is astonishingly located in the middle of the Ole Miss campus, but it is challenging. When I visited this year, there was no marijuana being grown.

The second thing you need is approval, and the scientists I interviewed kept reminding me how tedious that can be. While a cancer study may first be evaluated by the National Cancer Institute, or a pain study may go through the National Institute for Neurological Disorders, there is one more approval required for marijuana: NIDA, the National Institute on Drug Abuse. It is an organization that has a core mission of studying drug abuse, as opposed to benefit.

Stuck in the middle are the legitimate patients who depend on marijuana as a medicine, oftentimes as their only good option.

Keep in mind that up until 1943, marijuana was part of the United States drug pharmacopeia. One of the conditions for which it was prescribed was neuropathic pain. It is a miserable pain that's tough to treat. My own patients have described it as "lancinating, burning and a barrage of pins and needles." While marijuana has long been documented to be effective for this awful pain, the most common medications prescribed today come from the poppy plant, including morphine, oxycodone and dilaudid.

Here is the problem. Most of these medications don't work very well for this kind of pain, and tolerance is a real problem.

Most frightening to me is that someone dies in the United States every 19 minutes from a prescription drug overdose, mostly accidental. Every 19 minutes. It is a horrifying statistic. As much as I searched, I could not find a documented case of death from marijuana overdose.

It is perhaps no surprise then that 76% of physicians recently surveyed said they would approve the use of marijuana to help ease a woman's pain from breast cancer.

When marijuana became a schedule 1 substance, there was a request to fill a "void in our knowledge." In the United States, that has been challenging because of the infrastructure surrounding the study of an illegal substance, with a drug abuse organization at the heart of the approval process. And yet, despite the hurdles, we have made considerable progress that continues today.

Looking forward, I am especially intrigued by studies like those in Spain and Israel looking at the anti-cancer effects of marijuana and its components. I'm intrigued by the neuro-protective study by Lev Meschoulam in Israel, and research in Israel and the United States on whether the drug might help alleviate symptoms of PTSD. I promise to do my part to help, genuinely and honestly, fill the remaining void in our knowledge.

Citizens in 20 states and the District of Columbia have now voted to approve marijuana for medical applications, and more states will be making that choice soon. As for Dr. Roger Egeberg, who wrote that letter in 1970, he passed away 16 years ago.

I wonder what he would think if he were alive today.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/08/he...ind-marijuana/

Simply Red 08-11-2013 11:28 PM

do you burn down, King?

-King- 08-11-2013 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 9878162)
do you burn down, King?

Did yesterday for the first time in a few months. Used to be a regular before then.

saphojunkie 08-12-2013 01:09 AM

I am now a card carrying member of the legal patient list in California.

I might just get a conceal carry permit just to even it out. I mean, if the government decides to actually give me an extra right instead of take one away, may as well take advantage, right?

Abba-Dabba 08-12-2013 05:20 AM

The train can't be stopped. Majority of people know marijuana has many medical benefits. And one day people will not be so afraid of the present repercussions. It's all the established industries fighting it from law enforcement to pharmaceutical to petroleum to textiles to industrial agriculture. Marijuana represents a change in social and economic dynamics that they are desperately trying to fight. But that sad thing is, they just don't know they have already lost the war. While the average working class citizens largely pay the price for it. They lost to a bunch of stoners. Ha!

Smoke trees, don't wrap yourself around one with alcohol.

philfree 08-12-2013 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 9878213)
I am now a card carrying member of the legal patient list in California.

I might just get a conceal carry permit just to even it out. I mean, if the government decides to actually give me an extra right instead of take one away, may as well take advantage, right?

I hope it doesn't put you on a list so the Feds can nab you when they decide they want to.

DaFace 08-12-2013 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9878139)
Is it coming on again?

No guarantees this won't get taken down, but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3IMfIQ_K6U

saphojunkie 08-12-2013 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philfree (Post 9878352)
I hope it doesn't put you on a list so the Feds can nab you when they decide they want to.

hahahhahahhahhahhahahhahahha

The "FEDS" couldn't care less about one dude buying an eighth of marijuana for use in his home. The idea that a federal agent would A) Scour the internet to find somebody who posts about legally obtaining a prescription for pot and B) using federal resources to track him down, so that he can C) Raid his house and bust him for possession of less than 1/8 ounce of marijuana is laughable at best.

They deal in kilos and pounds, dude.

aturnis 08-12-2013 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 9878834)
hahahhahahhahhahhahahhahahha

The "FEDS" couldn't care less about one dude buying an eighth of marijuana for use in his home. The idea that a federal agent would A) Scour the internet to find somebody who posts about legally obtaining a prescription for pot and B) using federal resources to track him down, so that he can C) Raid his house and bust him for possession of less than 1/8 ounce of marijuana is laughable at best.

They deal in kilos and pounds, dude.

No shit. There are entire online communities devoted to weed and HUGE numbers of these guys talk about how they grow their own, yet none of them disappear.

DaFace 08-12-2013 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9878862)
No shit. There are entire online communities devoted to weed and UUGE numbers of these guys talk about how they grow their own, yet nine of them disappear.

And on that note...

http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-wo...rug-sentencing

Quote:

San Francisco: AG Eric Holder announces drug-sentencing reform
By Josh Richman

jrichman@bayareanewsgroup.com

POSTED: 08/12/2013 11:14:33 AM PDT

SAN FRANCISCO -- Federal prosecutors will no longer seek mandatory minimum sentences for nonviolent drug offenders, part of a broad new effort to focus on violent crimes and national security while reducing the nation's gigantic prison population, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said Monday.

Addressing the American Bar Association's annual meeting in a city and state that long have had some of the nation's most liberal drug enforcement policies, Holder described a sea change in federal law enforcement strategy that marks a significant turn away from the all-out "war on drugs" of the past 40 years.

Holder said charges against dealers who aren't tied to large criminal organizations won't detail how much drugs they were caught with. Without that information, judges can't impose the five- or 10-year mandatory minimum prison terms enacted by Congress in the 1980s.

"They now will be charged with offenses for which the accompanying sentences are better suited to their individual conduct, rather than excessive prison terms more appropriate for violent criminals or drug kingpins," Holder said. "By reserving the most severe penalties for serious, high-level, or violent drug traffickers, we can better promote public safety, deterrence, and rehabilitation, while making our expenditures smarter and more productive."

the Talking Can 08-12-2013 12:46 PM

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm...0s10o1_500.gif

Dayze 08-12-2013 12:48 PM

bad deal. we all know smoking it makes you go out and rape people, and act crazy.
I know it's true - I saw a government safety film about it.

DaFace 08-29-2013 12:31 PM

Whoa.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingne...a-legalization

Quote:

Federal government won't block Colorado marijuana legalization
By John Ingold
The Denver Post

The federal government will not make it a priority to block marijuana legalization in Colorado or Washington or close down recreational marijuana stores, so long as the stores abide by state regulations, according to new guidance being issued Thursday to federal prosecutors across the country.

(more at the link)

Discuss Thrower 08-29-2013 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 9923287)

First step to decriminalization motha****aaa!

Blaze it pillowbiter!

tooge 08-29-2013 01:16 PM

It'll be totally legal in 5 years

Pitt Gorilla 08-29-2013 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 9923287)

big government dictators!:cuss:

vailpass 08-29-2013 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 9923287)

Von Miller says high.

Dayze 08-29-2013 01:52 PM

sweet. haven't done it in probably 15 years, but it's still reeruned it's illegal.

Kiimo 08-29-2013 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tooge (Post 9923353)
It'll be totally legal in 5 years

In the meantime, don't drive I-70 with any. The western Kansas cops are having a field day right now.

DaFace 08-29-2013 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 9923464)
In the meantime, don't drive I-70 with any. The western Kansas cops are having a field day right now.

I'm sure. I have no idea if it went anywhere, but back a while ago I read that Colorado was planning to put signs at all the borders warning people that it's not legal to transport it across state lines.

lcarus 08-29-2013 02:05 PM

Oklahoma will be the absolute last ****ing state to get it decriminalized. Hell, they just passed a law recently that says you could get sentenced to life in prison for making hash. They claimed hash was the "crack of marijuana". LMAO. Stupid ass Oklahoma...

Fish 08-29-2013 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 9923464)
In the meantime, don't drive I-70 with any. The western Kansas cops are having a field day right now.

I travel I-70 pretty often. In the eastern part of the state, they often setup "Drug Checkpoints" on the highway. What they do is put up several signs saying "Drug checkpoint ahead, drug dogs in use". And they put it a half mile before a very secluded off ramp that isn't frequently traveled. And they park a patrol car beside the interstate with its lights flashing. Then they wait for drug mules to see the signs and get scared thinking they're going to have to stop up ahead, and take the off ramp to avoid it. They have several cop cars and such on the off ramp just out of sight, which they nab anyone who gets off the ramp claiming they were avoiding the drug checkpoint and then have suspicion to search their vehicle.

Red Beans 08-29-2013 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9923373)
Von Miller stays high.


That's better...

DaFace 08-29-2013 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish (Post 9923511)
I travel I-70 pretty often. In the eastern part of the state, they often setup "Drug Checkpoints" on the highway. What they do is put up several signs saying "Drug checkpoint ahead, drug dogs in use". And they put it a half mile before a very secluded off ramp that isn't frequently traveled. And they park a patrol car beside the interstate with its lights flashing. Then they wait for drug mules to see the signs and get scared thinking they're going to have to stop up ahead, and take the off ramp to avoid it. They have several cop cars and such on the off ramp just out of sight, which they nab anyone who gets off the ramp claiming they were avoiding the drug checkpoint and then have suspicion to search their vehicle.

That's devious and awesome all at the same time.

Frosty 08-29-2013 02:19 PM

I wonder if this means that the feds will stop raiding the medical mj stores on the coast (in WA)? They have been pretty busy lately.

DaFace 08-29-2013 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 9923532)
I wonder if this means that the feds will stop raiding the medical mj stores on the coast (in WA)? They have been pretty busy lately.

Tough to say. The memo says that it's a "low priority" but not necessarily that they won't enforce things from time to time. Hopefully if they do go after anyone, it'll be the ones that clearly violate their list of priorities:

• Preventing marijuana distribution to minors

• Preventing money from sales from going to criminal groups

• Preventing the diversion of marijuana from states where it is legal to states where it is illegal

• Preventing criminal groups from using state laws as cover for trafficking of other illegal drugs

• Preventing violence and the use of illegal firearms

• Preventing drugged driving

• Preventing the growing of marijuana on public lands

• Preventing marijuana possession or use on federal property

vailpass 08-29-2013 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Beans (Post 9923516)
That's better...

:)

Mr. Laz 08-29-2013 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tooge (Post 9923353)
It'll be totally legal in 5 years

yep ... if all goes well in the first 2 states it will spread to all but the heavy bible states really quick.

J Diddy 08-29-2013 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 9923490)
Oklahoma will be the absolute last ****ing state to get it decriminalized. Hell, they just passed a law recently that says you could get sentenced to life in prison for making hash. They claimed hash was the "crack of marijuana". LMAO. Stupid ass Oklahoma...

Oklahoma is the "crack of the US"

lcarus 08-29-2013 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9923565)
Oklahoma is the "crack of the US"

Let me tell you...the education system really failed a lot of people down here.

Mr. Laz 08-29-2013 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9923565)
Oklahoma is the "crack of the US"

Oklahoma is a nice place to live.

Mr. Flopnuts 08-29-2013 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish (Post 9923511)
I travel I-70 pretty often. In the eastern part of the state, they often setup "Drug Checkpoints" on the highway. What they do is put up several signs saying "Drug checkpoint ahead, drug dogs in use". And they put it a half mile before a very secluded off ramp that isn't frequently traveled. And they park a patrol car beside the interstate with its lights flashing. Then they wait for drug mules to see the signs and get scared thinking they're going to have to stop up ahead, and take the off ramp to avoid it. They have several cop cars and such on the off ramp just out of sight, which they nab anyone who gets off the ramp claiming they were avoiding the drug checkpoint and then have suspicion to search their vehicle.

ROFL They've been doing that for years. I had a buddy get nabbed that way. Dumbass had all of his shit packed and was headed for NC. He had a gram of pot, a ****ing gram tucked away deep into his shit and he pulled off freaking out. Needless to say, they found that shit and he got nabbed for nothing.

seclark 08-29-2013 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9923585)
ROFL They've been doing that for years. I had a buddy get nabbed that way. Dumbass had all of his shit packed and was headed for NC. He had a gram of pot, a ****ing gram tucked away deep into his shit and he pulled off freaking out. Needless to say, they found that shit and he got nabbed for nothing.

I've seen it too...drove past the sign and thought, "wtf? why tell people what they're doing?" then drive past the first exit and see the cop cars.

sec

Pitt Gorilla 08-29-2013 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 9923490)
Oklahoma will be the absolute last ****ing state to get it decriminalized. Hell, they just passed a law recently that says you could get sentenced to life in prison for making hash. They claimed hash was the "crack of marijuana". LMAO. Stupid ass Oklahoma...

OK is a ****hole.

Pablo 08-29-2013 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seclark (Post 9923587)
I've seen it too...drove past the sign and thought, "wtf? why tell people what they're doing?" then drive past the first exit and see the cop cars.

sec

I usually paint DRUG CAR on the side of my vehicle when driving I-70 to really **** with the police.

CrazyPhuD 08-29-2013 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 9878880)

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 9923287)

No offense but Bernie Madoff has better credibility than the current administration when it comes to telling the truth....fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me....

http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/saunde...on-4206421.php

Quote:

Obama's shifting stand

Barack Obama "believes that states and local governments are best positioned to strike the balance between making sure that these policies are not abused for recreational drug use and making sure that doctors and their patients can safely access pain relief." - Campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt,

May 2008

"What I specifically said was that we were not going to prioritize prosecutions of persons who are using medical marijuana. I never made a commitment that somehow we were going to give carte blanche to large-scale producers and operators of marijuana - and the reason is, because it's against federal law." - President Obama to Rolling Stone magazine, April 2012

"We've got bigger fish to fry. ... It would not make sense for us to see a top priority as going after recreational users in states that have determined that it's legal." - Obama to ABC's Barbara Walters
Just because it's not a top priority doesn't mean they're not coming for you 'eventually'. Buy legal weed and own a firearm and they'll come for you that you can promise.

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/val...d_guns_don.php

It's legal for a doc to write a script for painkillers and to own firearms but it's not legal for a doc to recommend marijuana and someone to own firearms...

You have to love the built in hypocrisy in our system.

TLO 08-29-2013 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 9923600)
I usually paint DRUG CAR on the side of my vehicle when driving I-70 to really **** with the police.

LMAO


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:55 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.