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The Franchise 02-22-2014 01:21 PM

Niklas leaving early was a surprise....but he could find his way into the 2nd round. Amazing.

htismaqe 02-22-2014 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by planetdoc (Post 10446875)
Travis Kelce ran a 4.61 forty
nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=83323&draftyear=2013&genpos=TE

Amaro also lined up mainly in the slot at Texas Tech. He would have alot to learn lining up as a traditional TE.

Amaro is 10x the prospect Travis Kelce was.

OldSchool 02-22-2014 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10447100)
Amaro is 10x the prospect Travis Kelce was.

Athletically, I don't know. But I think Amaro was way more consistent as a pass catcher and at high pointing the ball. That being said, Kelce's offense in Cincy did him no favors in that regard.

Give me AC Leonard please. He's a bigger Delanie Walker with better hands and a larger catch radius. I would love to have him in the H-back role. He would kill OLBs on wheel routes and up the seem.

saphojunkie 02-22-2014 04:09 PM

Watching this combine just really hits home how ****ing weak last years draft class was. Everyone keeps alluding to, or outright saying that, Fisher doesn't compare with these tackles. He wouldn't be in the top 15 this year.

****ing Chiefs luck. unbelievable.

planetdoc 02-22-2014 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10447100)
Amaro is 10x the prospect Travis Kelce was.

Nfldraftscout currently has Amaro rated as the 2nd best TE, while it had Kelce rated as the 3rd best. Although Amaro is the better reciever, Kelce is the better blocker.

NFL's draft profile of Kelce compares him to Rob Gronkowski. He slid because he was suspended for 1yr for violating team rules in 2010, and had sports hernia surgery in the end of january of 2013 which prevented him from participating at the combine.

CleveSteve 02-22-2014 11:32 PM

If anyone didn't get to watch Day 1 of the combine, here are my impressions. It's a three-pager, so I'm posting a link.

http://cornerblitz.com/2014/Combine/OL1.aspx

OldSchool 02-22-2014 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CleveSteve (Post 10447981)
If anyone didn't get to watch Day 1 of the combine, here are my impressions. It's a three-pager, so I'm posting a link.

http://cornerblitz.com/2014/Combine/OL1.aspx

I thought ASJ didn't participate due to a foot injury? Amaro and Lyerla both disappointed me. Lyerla has the excuse of not playing football for an entire year, but Amaro looked unnatural as a pass catcher, he fought the ball too much for my taste.

OldSchool 02-23-2014 04:43 AM

Clarke, Tuitt, Hagemon, Ealy, Urban, and Coleman all have great length to them. 34"+ arms.

McCullers has them all beat with 36 5/8" long arms, but he is a terrible football player, IMO.

I really want to see how Khairi Fortt performs in drills.

O.city 02-23-2014 08:34 AM

Beckham just ran a 4.39

Titty Meat 02-23-2014 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10448142)
Beckham just ran a 4.39

Daaaaamn.

He only did 7 on the bench though. Does that drop him to 23?

planetdoc 02-23-2014 09:19 AM

docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AseLAGMydisldHE0Rl9kOGxPXzhPckREX3NQd0dQTGc&f=true&noheader=true&gid=2

Unofficial WR times are listed. My thoughts:

* dont want Kelvin Benjamin. He doesnt fit the chiefs offense. He is a long strider and his 1.69 ten yrd split proves that.

* this is an extremely deep group of WRs, and a deep group that would fit in Reid's offense.

O.city 02-23-2014 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chocolate Hog (Post 10448145)
Daaaaamn.

He only did 7 on the bench though. Does that drop him to 23?

He will be there at 23 I'd imagine.

I don't think the bench numbers for a wr really matter, especially in this case. He plays pretty nasty with his strength and attacks the ball well

O.city 02-23-2014 09:30 AM

Damn he ran a 4.31 in his second run. Brandin cooks ran a 4.3 flat.

milkman 02-23-2014 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10448209)
Damn he ran a 4.31 in his second run. Brandin cooks ran a 4.3 flat.

Both have been pretty impressive in drills.

Thought Beckham, on his second run through in the gaunlet showed something, making 3 soolid catches on balls that were placed just slightly behind on his shoulder.

O.city 02-23-2014 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10448212)
Both have been pretty impressive in drills.

Thought Beckham, on his second run through in the gaunlet showed something, making 3 soolid catches on balls that were placed just slightly behind on his shoulder.

I think we need to start coming around in those two, especially Beckham. Looking pretty good that he's a chief

O.city 02-23-2014 09:39 AM

Beckham is a hands catcher too.

jonzie04 02-23-2014 09:49 AM

pretty crazy how beckham never came off the line on the gauntlet drill too.

jonzie04 02-23-2014 09:50 AM

ellington looked pretty good as well.

milkman 02-23-2014 10:08 AM

Mike Mayock is praising Mike Evans, but I thought he ran the guantlet at a lazy pace, making the catching of the ball easier than the other guys who seemed to do it at better pace and more energy.

Sandy Vagina 02-23-2014 10:28 AM

Just as it was months ago... Beckham Jr... my # 1 target for the Chiefs. :)

O.city 02-23-2014 11:12 AM

Lee only with a 4.5.

Not bad but thought he'd be faster

O.city 02-23-2014 11:15 AM

Landry didn't run very well, but I'd still love to have him in KC

RunKC 02-23-2014 11:18 AM

Say goodbye to Beckham guys. With that 40 time and talent he's gone by 23.

Very impressed with martavis Bryant tho. Wow

O.city 02-23-2014 11:21 AM

There's just too many good players for me to think Beckham goes before 23

Deberg_1990 02-23-2014 11:22 AM

Willie Snead= best hair in this draft class!
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O.city 02-23-2014 11:23 AM

Cooks wouldn't be a bads pick either

O.city 02-23-2014 11:24 AM

Cooks or Ellington could replace everything dexter does and be better at it

OldSchool 02-23-2014 11:26 AM

Anyone else surprised by Coleman's time? I thought he'd run a 4.6 at best.

O.city 02-23-2014 11:26 AM

Ldamian Washington just made some money. Big wr who high points it

RunKC 02-23-2014 11:27 AM

So hard to tell if Reid wants a WR or DL in rd 1. I think Reid wants a WR but could also get Hageman there. Depends on who is there, but I think WR or DE will be the pick

OldSchool 02-23-2014 11:29 AM

Jeff Janis is interesting, ran a 4.3 but didn't create too much separation at the Senior Bowl. I need to go watch game tape on him.

O.city 02-23-2014 11:29 AM

I don't think there's a Hageman in round 3, but there might be a wr like beckham there.

Hageman and huff maybe?

O.city 02-23-2014 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10448414)
Jeff Janis is interesting, ran a 4.3 but didn't create too much separation at the Senior Bowl. I need to go watch game tape on him.

Can't catch worth a shit

O.city 02-23-2014 11:33 AM

Tj jones is interesting as a slot wr.

Mother****erJones 02-23-2014 11:34 AM

Eric Ebron please! That's my man crush for the draft

TambaBerry 02-23-2014 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10448397)
There's just too many good players for me to think Beckham goes before 23

This is good news it means someone else will fall to us.

O.city 02-23-2014 11:36 AM

There will be at least 5 great players in terms of our needs and bpa at 23

O.city 02-23-2014 11:37 AM

Lee with a 4.4

That's more like it

Buehler445 02-23-2014 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10448411)
Ldamian Washington just made some money. Big wr who high points it

Yeah. That was a pretty impressive run.

OldSchool 02-23-2014 11:44 AM

Guys who were slower than I expected so far:

Lee, 4.5 Thought he would hit at least 4.4.

Jarvis Landry, 4.65 Way slower than I thought he would be. He looks like a 4.45 guy on tape to me.

Davante Adams, 4.5. Thought he would get in the 4.4 range.

Kelvin Benjamin, 4.53. Just a little slower than I thought he would be. Expected him to be faster than Evans.

Faster than I thought:

Jordan Matthews, 4.4. Looks like a 4.5 guy on tape.

Donte Moncreif, 4.4. Again, another guy who I thought would be a 4.5 guy.

Kevin Norwood, 4.39. Another guy who I thought would get a 4.5, he can elevate as well.

Mike Evans, 4.47. Thought he would be in the high 4.5-4.6 range.

Brandon Coleman, 4.5. Looked like a 4.6-4.7 guy on tape.

OldSchool 02-23-2014 11:52 AM

Gosh damn it Breckham, why did you have to leapfrog Lee and Benjamin as one of the top WRs? I pray to God that teams will pass on WRs until the 2nd round after Watkins and Evans are gone.

BullJunkandIron 02-23-2014 11:53 AM

I wonder how much say Reid has in who we draft?

O.city 02-23-2014 11:59 AM

Lee ran a 4.4 on his 2nd run

OldSchool 02-23-2014 12:03 PM

Was it just me or did Landry just grab that ball out of the air with one hand? Wow.

milkman 02-23-2014 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 10448426)
Eric Ebron please! That's my man crush for the draft

Pipe dream.

milkman 02-23-2014 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10448433)
There will be at least 5 great players in terms of our needs and bpa at 23

That's the deal right there.

There will be a number of kids sitting there at 23 that most of us could get solidly behind.

saphojunkie 02-23-2014 12:55 PM

I want Marquise Lee so badly. I just think he's Marvin Harrison about to happen.

RunKC 02-23-2014 12:59 PM

David Culley doing the WR drills. Good to see we are getting a front row seat w this class.

Honestly think the best idea is a trade down and pick a WR. Mayocl just said he expects a huge run on WR's in the first 2 rounds. I think the top 22 WR's could all be gone by our 3rd rd pick.

kccrow 02-23-2014 01:04 PM

I'm going against the masses here. Matthews has been my favorite all along and I'm maintaining that after his quality 40 yard dash. If one were to watch the tape, he ran away from people in racking up yards after the catch his entire career. In any event, my opinion is he remains the best all-around receiver in this draft.

Mother****erJones 02-23-2014 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10448547)
Pipe dream.

Yup. But I'll dream because it's February

saphojunkie 02-23-2014 01:50 PM

Anybody else think that, when they were talking about where and when Logan Thimas goes, they were describing KC perfectly?

O.city 02-23-2014 02:12 PM

Dri archer, d'anthiny, or Henry josey in the 4 round plz

OldSchool 02-23-2014 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10448713)
Dri archer, d'anthiny, or Henry josey in the 4 round plz

I would take Anthony over Archer just because Archer really does virtually always go down on first contact, even if it's just an arm tackle and will have the same problems as Austin did early on with just the strength of the defenders. Anthony has shown the ability to break through some arm tackles and I think he has better vision as a runner. Archer may be a McCluster type guy where he ultimately ends up in the slot.

O.city 02-23-2014 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10448782)
I would take Anthony over Archer just because Archer really does virtually always go down on first contact, even if it's just an arm tackle and will have the same problems as Austin did early on with just the strength of the defenders. Anthony has shown the ability to break through some arm tackles and I think he has better vision as a runner. Archer may be a McCluster type guy where he ultimately ends up in the slot.

Archer is much better as a pass catcher than Thomas at this point it seems.

In and Andy Reid offense, archers speed and agility out of the backfield or the slot would be pretty epic

OldSchool 02-23-2014 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10448813)
Archer is much better as a pass catcher than Thomas at this point it seems.

In and Andy Reid offense, archers speed and agility out of the backfield or the slot would be pretty epic

I just wish he would add a little bit more power to be able to at least resist arm tackles.

But damn, can't coach 4.26 speed. Truly special speed, I would draft him and put him in the slot or run Reid's quick screens/under routes with him.

O.city 02-23-2014 03:55 PM

Only problem is e gets banged up pretty easily

OldSchool 02-23-2014 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10448830)
Only problem is e gets banged up pretty easily

Yup, he played injured a lot. Not gonna hold up in the NFL unless he adds some bulk to his frame.

However, to be fair to him, he is not actually injury prone. He just missed time last year due to a badly injured ankle and was otherwise alright. Tough kid but he just goes down too easy for me to consider sticking to him at RB.

He's essentially Dexter McCluster but with a lot more explosion and speed. He can truly outrun angles like Chris Johnson at his peak was able to. I would have to project him to the slot position but I'm not sure about his hands. They are good for a RB, but as a WR?

bowener 02-23-2014 04:14 PM

I know I'm late on this probably, but 4.68 is a lot slower than I expected for Johnny Football.

In58men 02-23-2014 04:33 PM

Kelvin Benjamin is a monster.

Mother****erJones 02-23-2014 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10448667)
Anybody else think that, when they were talking about where and when Logan Thimas goes, they were describing KC perfectly?

What they say

In58men 02-23-2014 05:12 PM

Mike Evans having a solid performance, he looks calm out there.

Mother****erJones 02-23-2014 05:17 PM

Knowing Ebron is not gona be there for us and we don't have the ammunition to trade up, I like Evans in round 1

OldSchool 02-23-2014 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 10448958)
Knowing Ebron is not gona be there for us and we don't have the ammunition to trade up, I like Evans in round 1

Evans is going top 15, bet on it. He's too dominant at the point of the catch, high effort player, tons of college production in the SEC, and he was explosive at the combine.

In58men 02-23-2014 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 10448958)
Knowing Ebron is not gona be there for us and we don't have the ammunition to trade up, I like Evans in round 1

He just ran a horrible route. I like Kelvin Benjamin.

Mother****erJones 02-23-2014 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 10449011)
He just ran a horrible route. I like Melvin Benjamin.

We have good coaches.

Direckshun 02-23-2014 05:56 PM

Beckham may have performed himself out of our 1st pick now. Awesome.

The good news is, Amaro's probably free at our selection now.

planetdoc 02-23-2014 06:07 PM

I still want Stephen Tuitt or Rashed hagemon. Great size/length and both benched over 30 reps respectively. cant wait to see how they do in the drills.

OldSchool 02-23-2014 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by planetdoc (Post 10449047)
I still want Stephen Tuitt or Rashed hagemon. Great size/length and both benched over 30 reps respectively. cant wait to see how they do in the drills.

Give me the value of Will Clarke or Brent Urban in the 4th vs Hagemon or Tuitt in the 1st. Would rather sign Alex Carrington or Ropati Pitoitua to be our new starter at RDE.

Direckshun 02-23-2014 06:33 PM

(a.) Assuming the following players are off the board:

QB Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville
QB Blake Bortles, UCF
QB Johnny Manziel. Texas A&M
QB Derek Carr, Fresno State
WR Sammy Watkins, Clemson
WR Mike Evans, Texas A&M
TE Eric Ebron, North Carolina
OT Jake Matthews, Texas A&M
OT Greg Robinson, Auburn
OT Tyler Lewan, Michigan
DT/DE Ra'Shede Hageman, Minnesota
DE Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina
DE Kony Ealy, Missouri
OLB Khalil Mack,Buffalo
OLB Anthony Barr,UCLA
CB Darqueze Dennard, Michigan State
S HaHa Clinton-Dix, Alabama

(b.) And assuming no game-changing FAs are added, and of the departing FAs, we only retain Schwartz.

Here's a comprehensive list right now of who I'd take at 23, in order, as of now:

1. WR Odell Beckham, Jr., LSU -- fantastic playmaker, great YAC guy
2. TE Jace Amaro, Texas Tech -- peerless route-runner at the TE position
3. WR Brandin Cooks, Oregon State -- outstanding speed and athleticism, will stretch defenses
4. TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Washington -- project w/ huge size to be elite in future seasons
5. DE Stephon Tuitt, Notre Dame -- project with elite athleticism at 3-4 DE position
6. OLB Dee Ford, Auburn -- undersized, but with elite passrushing potential
7. S Calvin Pryor, Louisville -- will need work in coverage, but great at eating up space
8. NT Louis Nix, Notre Dame -- if Poe to DE is a serious option, and Nix lasts, this is worth considering
9. WR Allen Robinson, Penn State -- potential to be a really good #2 at the next level
10. OLB Trent Murphy, Stanford -- great passrusher, less than ideal athleticism
11. CB Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State -- not a great fit for our D, but he can still win me over
12. WR Marquise Lee, USC -- on the verge of removing him from my 1st round board altogether

saphojunkie 02-23-2014 06:36 PM

Why are you on the verge of removing Marquise Lee?

OldSchool 02-23-2014 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10449106)
Why are you on the verge of removing Marquise Lee?

Lee ran slower than expect and dropped a crap ton of passes last year.

saphojunkie 02-23-2014 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10449127)
Lee ran slower than expect and dropped a crap ton of passes last year.

You don't think he's a first round receiver?

In58men 02-23-2014 06:50 PM

Melvin Benjamin should be added to that list WTF man

OldSchool 02-23-2014 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10449132)
You don't think he's a first round receiver?

Based on his 2012 tape, definitely. On 2013? Hell no. And there's your conundrum. Which Lee will you be getting? In this class, he would be too risky of a player for me to pull the trigger on ahead of Matthews, Cooks, and even Landry.

planetdoc 02-23-2014 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10449082)
Give me the value of Will Clarke or Brent Urban in the 4th vs Hagemon or Tuitt in the 1st. Would rather sign Alex Carrington or Ropati Pitoitua to be our new starter at RDE.

@271 lbs, Clarke is like another Catapano. Not someone who could contribute for the chiefs immediately. Urban is intriguing, but I am concerned why he didnt lift.

I'd be interested in bringing in Pitoitua back. Think he could fit nicely into sutton's system. Alex Carrington is JAG. I dont think he was as good in his career as Tyson jackson was this yr.

OldSchool 02-23-2014 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by planetdoc (Post 10449155)
@271 lbs, Clarke is like another Catapano. Not someone who could contribute for the chiefs immediately. Urban is intriguing, but I am concerned why he didnt lift.

I'd be interested in bringing in Pitoitua back. Think he could fit nicely into sutton's system. Alex Carrington is JAG. I dont think he was as good in his career as Tyson jackson was this yr.

I wonder why Reid and Dorsey decided to let Pitoitua go though, I thought he was a pretty solid player and he ended up playing really well for the Titans.

Catapano doesn't have the length that Clarke does. IMO, Clarke can become a very good 3-4 DE if he continues to fill out his frame and add more strength. He can immediately provide some pass rush depth as a rookie as well. Clarke's arms were longer than Hagemans.

Mother****erJones 02-23-2014 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10448549)
That's the deal right there.

There will be a number of kids sitting there at 23 that most of us could get solidly behind.

As long as it's not a lineman.

Direckshun 02-23-2014 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 10449134)
Melvin Benjamin should be added to that list WTF man

Kelvin. And I do not want.

Direckshun 02-23-2014 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 10449438)
As long as it's not an offensive lineman.

FYP

planetdoc 02-23-2014 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10449171)
I wonder why Reid and Dorsey decided to let Pitoitua go though,

me too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10449171)
I thought he was a pretty solid player and he ended up playing really well for the Titans.

agree, though I dont think he played quite as well as a chiefs. I dont recall his run defense as being very good. With his size I would love to have paired him up with Poe in the chiefs 2 down lineman defenses (with Hali and Houston rushing).

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10449171)
Catapano doesn't have the length that Clarke does. IMO, Clarke can become a very good 3-4 DE if he continues to fill out his frame and add more strength. He can immediately provide some pass rush depth as a rookie as well. Clarke's arms were longer than Hagemans.

Catapano is 6'3.7' with 33.75'' arms, while Clarke is 6'6'' with 34.6'' arms. Catapano had 19 sacks in college while Clark had 9.5. Clarke maybe bigger, but Catapano is likely the better pass rusher (though against a lower level of competition) and the better athlete.


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