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Sorter 01-19-2013 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9332386)
I would love to hear your take on Nassib, Sorter.

I really like that kid. I think he can be a good starter.

As for just breaking down ( analyzing formations both offensive/defensive, D&D, situations in the ball game through 3 games, USC, Louisville, and Mizzou (I've watched more but haven't broken them down. Have time tomorrow so I'll probably do it then) I've been remarkably impressed.

Things I like having not broken down a lot of games:
Very quick, snappy release. Might be the best in the draft.
Solid arm strength
Great movement within the pocket whilst keeping his eyes downfield

Things I don't like:
Happy feet, it seems to me like he's trying to overemulate Manning too much. It negates his accuracy on deeper routes.
Lack of touch consistently. You'll see it but it isn't at the regularity especially on deep throws ala Geno/Wilson. There are some that are solid but I'd regard him as inconsistent in that area.


I'll be able to provide a better breakdown hopefully by tomorrow. I really love Nassib's ability to move/reset/shrug rushers within the pocket. I also like that he consistently looks downfield.

AussieChiefsFan 01-19-2013 02:28 AM

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Sorter 01-19-2013 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan (Post 9332405)
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look to sig.

LMAO

RunKC 01-19-2013 02:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9332404)
As for just breaking down ( analyzing formations both offensive/defensive, D&D, situations in the ball game through 3 games, USC, Louisville, and Mizzou (I've watched more but haven't broken them down. Have time tomorrow so I'll probably do it then) I've been remarkably impressed.

Things I like having not broken down a lot of games:
Very quick, snappy release. Might be the best in the draft.
Solid arm strength
Great movement within the pocket whilst keeping his eyes downfield

Things I don't like:
Happy feet, it seems to me like he's trying to overemulate Manning too much. It negates his accuracy on deeper routes.
Lack of touch consistently. You'll see it but it isn't at the regularity especially on deep throws ala Geno/Wilson. There are some that are solid but I'd regard him as inconsistent in that area.


I'll be able to provide a better breakdown hopefully by tomorrow. I really love Nassib's ability to move/reset/shrug rushers within the pocket. I also like that he consistently looks downfield.

I agree. His Mizzou tape was fantastic IMO. If there is a guy who I want us to take at 34 (or move up in the 25-32 range), it's him.

AussieChiefsFan 01-19-2013 02:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9332410)
look to sig.

LMAO

nomnomnom

Hammock Parties 01-19-2013 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan (Post 9332405)
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****as be shootin' the gif like they for real
But when it jumps, they ain't got no murder skills
So Bill just chops 'em down, watch 'em fall
And cut they ass head to toe, jaw to jaw

AussieChiefsFan 01-19-2013 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9332423)
****as be shootin' the gif like they for real
But when it jumps, they ain't got no murder skills
So Bill just chops 'em down, watch 'em fall
And cut they ass head to toe, jaw to jaw

ROFL

Sorter 01-19-2013 02:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9332411)
I agree. His Mizzou tape was fantastic IMO. If there is a guy who I want us to take at 34 (or move up in the 25-32 range), it's him.

Just finished watching the Rutgers tape.

Prelimary thoughts: Struggled with pressure from DBs (could also be a protection issue, there is one instance where a LG completely missed on a twist whilst the LT and RB picked up the blitz) but overall, wasn't bad. Missed a few throws but was mainly consistent and led them on a nice drive that could have potentially tied it up only to be plagued by drops (in coverage; NFL Wrs probably make the catch but IIRC Lemon was jacked on one of them).

Rambozo 01-19-2013 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9331342)
Well, since they'll have a different playcaller, primarily they'll watch 2011. HOwever, they aren't going to completely throw out their film from last year, especially if they were evaluating individual players (example, evaluating players that will be UFAs)

It's beyond stupid to throw out Wilson's tape from this year. There are some solid things he did and some not so solid plays. To completely discount the negatives or both is just ****ing dumb.

I didn't completely throw it out. Again, I compared Geno's 2012 tape to Wilson's 2011 tape. I compared the best of both of them. I'm not discounting anything.

O.city 01-19-2013 09:09 AM

My problem with nassib is for him to be successful and them to win games this year, they had to pull the reins on him and make him a game manager. I like his upside, but he would take a good amount of polishing before he was even close.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-19-2013 09:10 AM

Screw Nassib when we can have take a better QB with our first pick. No need to dance around it.

ChiefMojo 01-19-2013 09:53 AM

I'd rather have Dysert than Nassib personally if we are going 2nd round with no Geno/Wilson.

RealSNR 01-19-2013 10:50 AM

Nassib has a ****ing stupid name. What country is that from? ****tardistan?

Pasta Little Brioni 01-19-2013 10:51 AM

So, we can have the best QB in the draft, but we are going to settle for number 4 or 5. Jeez, that would be stupid.

Hammock Parties 01-19-2013 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9332916)
Nassib has a ****ing stupid name. What country is that from? ****tardistan?

I don't trust white boys with terrorist names.

Al Qaeda plant?

HolyHat 01-19-2013 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9332721)
My problem with nassib is for him to be successful and them to win games this year, they had to pull the reins on him and make him a game manager. I like his upside, but he would take a good amount of polishing before he was even close.

I like Nassib, but the fact that he couldnt beat out that focktard basketball player from Duke (Paulis?) who went to play 1 year for Cuse is a little bit scary...

htismaqe 01-19-2013 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9332120)
See what I did there? :)

You did nothing. 100% of all Bobby Petrino QBs have failed.

100% of spread QBs have not.

ARGUMENT FAIL. Try again.

milkman 01-19-2013 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9329772)
@ShawnZobel_DHQ
Just leaving IMG Academy. My opinion: Geno Smith most talented but erratic, Tyler Wilson the most NFL-ready, Zac Dysert improving quickly

@ShawnZobel_DHQ
Wilson owns best footwork of the three. Geno's very long w/ elongated footwork & throwing delivery but can throw a strike with best of em

I see the elongated footwork, and when he gets that fixed, his passes wil leave a trail, much like a comet.

His arm strength is very good, even with the elongated step, or the throws off the back foot.

I don't, however see the longated delivery.

He has as quick a release as any.

HolyHat 01-19-2013 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9333035)
I see the elongated footwork, and when he gets that fixed, his passes wil leave a trail, much like a comet.

His arm strength is very good, even with the elongated step, or the throws off the back foot.

I don't, however see the longated delivery.

He has as quick a release as any.

Well its hard to be nimble on 3 legs

milkman 01-19-2013 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by @KCsporting (Post 9333039)
Well its hard to be nimble on 3 legs

Geno be nimble
Geno be quick.

Geno kick ass
From Joe Robbie to Candlestick.

HolyHat 01-19-2013 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9333045)
Geno be nimble
Geno be quick.

Geno kick ass
From Joe Robbie to Candlestick.

:thumb:

Sorter 01-19-2013 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9332724)
Screw Nassib when we can have take a better QB with our first pick. No need to dance around it.

Definitely. Would have been an awesome 3rd, same with Dysert.

Sorter 01-19-2013 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefMojo (Post 9332802)
I'd rather have Dysert than Nassib personally if we are going 2nd round with no Geno/Wilson.

I like him a lot too.

WildTurkey 01-19-2013 12:57 PM

Way too much Nassib talk in the Geno thread.. Needs more Geno

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/20/u8e7u7yq.jpg

Sorter 01-19-2013 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by WildTurkey (Post 9333095)
Way too much Nassib talk in the Geno thread.. Needs more Geno

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/20/u8e7u7yq.jpg

http://s20.postimage.org/i8vqxix97/geno3.gif


I want this and I want it now

Hammock Parties 01-19-2013 01:04 PM

It's little plays like that that honestly impress me more than big beautiful bombs.

That's the kind of thing Matt Cassel always ****ed up.

WildTurkey 01-19-2013 01:07 PM

Found this interesting nugget on twitter.

Mayock on Geno Smith: ``He's athletic. Natural arm, delivery. From phys. skill-set perspective, could do some of things (in Kelly's O).''

EagleRob 01-19-2013 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9333045)
Geno be nimble
Geno be quick.

Geno kick ass
From Joe Robbie to Candlestick.

A Chiefs 2013 Draft Haiku

(Clears Throat)

John and Andy drafting
Best Player Available
Not Geno at One

milkman 01-19-2013 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleRob (Post 9333147)
A Chiefs 2013 Draft Haiku

(Clears Throat)

John and Andy drafting
Best Player Available
Not Geno at One

I hate Haiku.

Most useless and stupid form ever.

This is better.

There once was a coach named Reid
He said that you don't draft for need.

But when they fully evaluate this guy
They will then know to take him high

And future Championships they will seed.

keg in kc 01-19-2013 01:48 PM

When at the board you
Look it's obvious Geno
Is the BPA.

WildTurkey 01-19-2013 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9333177)
I hate Haiku.

Most useless and stupid form ever.

This is better.

There once was a coach named Reid
He said that you don't draft for need.

But when they fully evaluate this guy
They will then know to take him high

And future Championships they will seed.

Who knew milkman was such a brilliant poet? :clap:

EagleRob 01-19-2013 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9333177)
I hate Haiku.

Most useless and stupid form ever.

This is better.

There once was a coach named Reid
He said that you don't draft for need.

But when they fully evaluate this guy
They will then know to take him high

And future Championships they will seed.

Well played. Sure you can't get a Nantucket on there somehow?

Halfcan 01-19-2013 02:21 PM

So people are knocking Geno's abilities?? With those stats?? Is he suppose to complete 100% of his passes with Zero INTs??

BigCatDaddy 01-19-2013 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9329772)
@ShawnZobel_DHQ
Just leaving IMG Academy. My opinion: Geno Smith most talented but erratic, Tyler Wilson the most NFL-ready, Zac Dysert improving quickly

@ShawnZobel_DHQ
Wilson owns best footwork of the three. Geno's very long w/ elongated footwork & throwing delivery but can throw a strike with best of em

Why are we still posting tweets from a HS waterboy?

Sorter 01-19-2013 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 9333251)
Why are we still posting tweets from a HS waterboy?

this

milkman 01-19-2013 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleRob (Post 9333246)
Well played. Sure you can't get a Nantucket on there somehow?

At his pro day, Geno will say **** it
I'll just launch a throw to Nantucket

Then Scouts, Reid and Dorsey will say
We must have this kid in KC to play

And the AFC West will have to suck it.

Halfcan 01-19-2013 02:33 PM

Geno is better than any QB we have had on this team since Montana. Chiefs have to take him. We have had some of the worst QB's to ever play the last few years.

Not sure how we could pass on him?? He won't be there in the second round.

Halfcan 01-19-2013 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9333273)
At his pro day, Geno will say **** it
I'll just launch a throw to Nantucket

Then Scouts, Reid and Dorsey will say
We must have this kid in KC to play

And the AFC West will have to suck it.

:clap:

It would be great to see the Donks stuck with old man mangina- choking in the Playoffs and we have a new Stud for QB for once. Donks would love to see Geno fall to them.

EagleRob 01-19-2013 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9333273)
At his pro day, Geno will say **** it
I'll just launch a throw to Nantucket

Then Scouts, Reid and Dorsey will say
We must have this kid in KC to play

And the AFC West will have to suck it.

Take a bow, sir. Excellent work!

WildTurkey 01-19-2013 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9333273)
At his pro day, Geno will say **** it
I'll just launch a throw to Nantucket

Then Scouts, Reid and Dorsey will say
We must have this kid in KC to play

And the AFC West will have to suck it.

Needs more "dumbass" to truly be a milkman poem

hometeam 01-19-2013 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9333273)
At his pro day, Geno will say **** it
I'll just launch a throw to Nantucket

Then Scouts, Reid and Dorsey will say
We must have this kid in KC to play

And the AFC West will have to suck it.

I must spread rep around before giving it again :(

RunKC 01-19-2013 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9332449)
Just finished watching the Rutgers tape.

Prelimary thoughts: Struggled with pressure from DBs (could also be a protection issue, there is one instance where a LG completely missed on a twist whilst the LT and RB picked up the blitz) but overall, wasn't bad. Missed a few throws but was mainly consistent and led them on a nice drive that could have potentially tied it up only to be plagued by drops (in coverage; NFL Wrs probably make the catch but IIRC Lemon was jacked on one of them).

Yeah it wasn't that bad.

Speaking of Rutgers, I'm watching that film right now. Our 2nd round draft pick and future starter at CB is on that team, Logan BAMF Ryan.

wazu 01-19-2013 03:42 PM

Would it be worth it to have spinoff threads that attempt to discredit Joeckel, Star, etc? Thinking we could GIF them up and send links to media members. Just trying to think outside the box in an effort to prevent the Chiefs from finding a way to screw this up.

wazu 01-19-2013 03:42 PM

Of course that's assuming there is some way to discredit those players.

Red Dawg 01-19-2013 03:43 PM

I do wish Boyd would have declared. That kid can flat out play and has the skills that are new hot thing in the nfl. It would have been intresting to see him perform at the combine. I am Geno with the group available.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-19-2013 03:44 PM

Geno > Boyd

Noss 01-19-2013 03:47 PM

Please, don't need another teams garbage any ****in' more. (Casshole, Quinn).

Draft Geno Smith, period..................... enough said.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-19-2013 03:48 PM

Cassel will head back to New England with his tail between his legs.

htismaqe 01-19-2013 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 9333442)
I do wish Boyd would have declared. That kid can flat out play and has the skills that are new hot thing in the nfl. It would have been intresting to see him perform at the combine. I am Geno with the group available.

The hot thing in the NFL is a QB that's mobile and ACCURATE. Russell Wilson can thread a needle, so can RG3.

Tajh Boyd is about as accurate as Mike Vick, and that's not a good thing.

NJChiefsFan 01-19-2013 06:33 PM

Move aside Fax, Milkman is on his way.

BigMeatballDave 01-19-2013 06:43 PM

My son keeps asking me if they are going to draft Smith.

I keep telling him I don't know, but I'm hopeful.

He says, "Are they afraid?" I said, Maybe.

He says, "The only mistake is not trying".

He's 14. Chip off the ol' block. :)

Chiefshrink 01-19-2013 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 9333286)
Not sure how we could pass on him?? He won't be there in the second round.

Agreed. With what Cam,RGIII, Luck and Wilson have accomplished in just a short amount of time I don't see how Geno falls to the 2nd with many starved QB teams like us, especially when you look at his stats with a crappy D always playing from behind which should have shown a much higher INT total but didn't which is absolutely amazing.

AussieChiefsFan 01-19-2013 09:00 PM

Some more.
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Hootie 01-19-2013 09:02 PM

you dropped back 11 yards

AussieChiefsFan 01-19-2013 09:05 PM

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AussieChiefsFan 01-19-2013 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9334038)
you dropped back 11 yards

http://www.blog-n-rolla.net/wp-conte...10/contact.jpg

Hootie 01-19-2013 09:09 PM

I would probably beat you 70-0 in Madden.

AussieChiefsFan 01-19-2013 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9334058)
I would probably beat you 70-0 in Madden.

Jesus man, I'm just flinging the ball around to get Geno highlights.

Mr_Tomahawk 01-19-2013 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan (Post 9334048)
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THAT'S the pass you chose to post? Was that the only pass you completed in the game or something...?


Lame.

AussieChiefsFan 01-19-2013 09:12 PM

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AussieChiefsFan 01-19-2013 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9334066)
THAT'S the pass you chose to post? Was that the only pass you completed in the game or something...?


Lame.

No, just wanted one of Geno rolling out and passing on the run.

Hootie 01-19-2013 09:16 PM

I am probably the greatest QB in the history of Madden. I'm like the Peyton Manning of Madden QB's with the 4th quarter clutch of Joe Montana.

I manipulate the pocket and display awareness that is just impossible to replicate.

I'm just...whoa.

AussieChiefsFan 01-19-2013 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9334066)
THAT'S the pass you chose to post? Was that the only pass you completed in the game or something...?


Lame.

So you want videos of Geno bombing down the field for touchdowns? I can get those too.

:spock:

AussieChiefsFan 01-19-2013 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9334084)
I am probably the greatest QB in the history of Madden. I'm like the Peyton Manning of Madden QB's with the 4th quarter clutch of Joe Montana.

I manipulate the pocket and display awareness that is just impossible to replicate.

I'm just...whoa.

:spock:

AussieChiefsFan 01-19-2013 09:22 PM

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I'm posting these just for the hell of it and per request. So lay off. Seriously.

Hootie 01-19-2013 09:23 PM

you only dropped back 8 yards on that one...nice

why don't you try stepping up in the pocket? It works, even in the video games!

AussieChiefsFan 01-19-2013 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9334127)
you only dropped back 8 yards on that one...nice

why don't you try stepping up in the pocket? It works, even in the video games!

Because I'm not trying to win this game. I'm trying to get quick 5 second clips of "virtual" Geno Smith that I can upload as quick as possible.

AussieChiefsFan 01-19-2013 09:27 PM

For example, would I even attempt this throw if I was concerned about the game? No. I'm purely doing this to show clips of Geno in madden.
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AussieChiefsFan 01-19-2013 09:30 PM

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Hootie 01-19-2013 09:32 PM

ok now make a 400 lb 7 foot man play QB and call him Giggle Bear and post clips

I'd rather see some of those

milkman 01-19-2013 09:35 PM

Can we just get off of Madden?

It's just a stupid ****ing video game.

AussieChiefsFan 01-19-2013 09:35 PM

LMAO Well now we've got both ends of the spectrum.

Hootie 01-19-2013 09:39 PM

Madden 11 >> Madden 12 > Madden 13 >>>>>>>>> NFL2K5

AussieChiefsFan 01-19-2013 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9334186)
Madden 11 >> Madden 12 > Madden 13 >>>>>>>>> NFL2K5

:spock:

AussieChiefsFan 01-19-2013 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9334157)
ok now make a 400 lb 7 foot man play QB and call him Giggle Bear and post clips

I'd rather see some of those

400lb 5'5'' QB.
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Unsmooth-Moment 01-19-2013 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan (Post 9334135)
For example, would I even attempt this throw if I was concerned about the game? No. I'm purely doing this to show clips of Geno in madden.
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What did you make his speed? 90 or something?

AussieChiefsFan 01-19-2013 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unsmooth-Moment (Post 9334359)
What did you make his speed? 90 or something?

Nah it's only in about the 75 range.

Sorter 01-20-2013 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9333401)
Yeah it wasn't that bad.

Speaking of Rutgers, I'm watching that film right now. Our 2nd round draft pick and future starter at CB is on that team, Logan BAMF Ryan.

Will have to watch. Isn't that the guy that is pals with Devin?

RunKC 01-20-2013 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9334547)
Will have to watch. Isn't that the guy that is pals with Devin?

You bet. He's a very bright kid who is very talented. He's the 2nd best CB in the draft IMO. I think he's better than Devin McCourty.

Sorter 01-20-2013 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9334575)
You bet. He's a very bright kid who is very talented. He's the 2nd best CB in the draft IMO. I think he's better than Devin McCourty.

So he's a FS?

All joking aside, Devin can't play press-man and is a solid FS. Is this guy a true CB or are we looking at Lewis's replacement?


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