Why does Noctua have to make their equipment so damn ugly? It's like they don't care about the aesthetics aspect of a build.

They do have products that are black, but they are industrial and not quite as good and louder.

Not sure why they stick with the brown/tan combo but it doesn't really seem to affect their sales. Personally I dont really care about all the RGB or color matching stuff.

Phanteks would be the best bet if you were going for a color theme since their tower comes in black, blue, red, white, and I think orange or yellow.

True it doesn't seem to hurt their sales though I've passed them by on my 3 builds because of how they look even though they are so highly rated.
End of day there are a lot of different coolers out there that get the job done just fine and instead of baby poop brown I'd rather look at this

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Personally, I'd rather look at this

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But it's not worth the hassle, imo. Can you imagine if one of those RAM goes bad? Dear lord.

Right? That's what I want to do for my next build but soft line not hard line. That is some ninja level work in that build.

Figured I'd jump in here and ask: will a core i5/7400 and a gtx 1060 with 3gb be above average and enough for high quality gaming and potentially VR? 8gb ram expands to 16gb. ?


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I'd get the i5 6600 for 10 bucks more and get the 1060 6gb variant instead of the 3gb variant. The 1060 might be kind of iffy for VR. If you can swing a 1070 I'd definitely do that instead.

3gb isnt going to be enough for VR. Now, if you are talking about a DECENT gaming rig with that setup? On 1080p you are probably just fine, and 8gb is enough for that too. You're not going to be gaming on Ultra type settings with 60 fps on that rig, but some games you will be able to play at high and most at medium and keep those frames up.

thanks for the feedback - yep, if I'm going to do this, I want to plan for VR and 4K.....so maybe step up a bit from what I described earlier.

the specs I mentioned were a pre-built machine. I'd like to build my own, but not sure how good I'll be at it.

But either way, thanks for the feedback.....as always, you get what you pay for!

It's easy. If 12 year olds can do it you can do it.

If you want to do 4k and VR expect to invest more money.

If its me, I would do something similar to what I built in the OP, but add in a 1070 or two instead of holding out on my 970s.

Also if your going to wait a little bit, we are in the midst of a CPU showdown and I expect the performance per dollar to keep rising.

If this is a new build I actually wouldn't go with a Intel CPU.

Ryzen is the performance/dollar winner at the moment. With optimization it has come within a few percentage points in singlethreaded tasks of Intel, and it blows it out of the water when it comes to multithreaded performance. Plus you get way more cores and threads for your money with Ryzen. Finally, 1151 socket is a dead architecture. You won't be able to upgrade your processor down the road with Intel without forking out money for a whole new setup. Whereas Ryzen's AM4 socket architecture is going to last until at least 2020.

So, with that said, I would be looking at a Ryzen 1600, 1600x, 1700, or 1700x depending on what your want to spend and then for a GPU a 1070.

Be aware that no single GPU out there can do 4k 144hz gaming right now, not even a 1080ti. A better goal to shoot for is 2k 144hz gaming, which 1070 can do on some titles, but if you want to be able to do it on most titles and be future proof for A+ games, you might have to consider investing in a 1080, or waiting until VEGA comes out and see what kind of performance it offers. 2k 60hz gaming can easily be done by the 1070, but my concern is VR really needs a high framerate, so if you're going for a VR capable rig you might as well be using a 2k 144hz monitor.

Uhhh???? What?

1151 is the new socket that replaced 1150 and was brand new with Sky Lake. Coffee Lake will use 1151 as well because Intel has abandoned their previous tic-toc model so there's no telling how long 1151 will last.

Coffee Lake/Cannon Lake will be the last ones to use 1151.

fwiw, I'm running a similar setup and play everything on the highest settings possible. Never had it dip below 60fps.

MSI Z270, i57600k oc'd, GTX 1060 6Gb. It might have to do with the games though. Been playing mostly World of Warships, Dark Souls 3, Witcher 3, Diablo 3 and Player unknown. FPS always chillin between 60-70. Some 1080p 144hz monitor I think its AOC? I wanted to spend more, but 1K was the budge the wife set lol.