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WhiteWhale 12-19-2014 06:24 PM

This is very important and requires an entire thread devoted to it.

WhitiE 12-19-2014 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 11203071)
Charles was in the backfield and he didn't get the ball... FAKE RUN!!!

Lol nice

ViperVisor 12-19-2014 07:28 PM

The Charles run up the middle threat keeps the DE and LB close to the middle. That holds them for a split so when Kelce angles toward the middle the throwing lane is clear and gives some extra space for Kelce to go after the catch.

kccrow 12-19-2014 07:50 PM

They definitely gave the Raiders the look of a bubble screen to hopefully suck the linebacker down and hold the corner to defend the screen and open up the underside of Kelce.

cdcox 12-19-2014 08:23 PM

Sorter, where did you get the Jimmy Raye point of view of that play?

ThaVirus 12-19-2014 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 11203144)
I'm not sitting through TWO ****ING 30 sec ads for Courtyard featuring Rich ****ing Eisen.



Learn alternative embedding or video sources. That sucks and is a huge waste of time. So with that said, my conclusion is entirely opposite of OP's - whatever his opinion is - mine is the opposite!


LMAO

You seem funny.

Sorter 12-19-2014 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 11203467)
Sorter, where did you get the Jimmy Raye point of view of that play?

Mo Carthon lent it to me.



He's a nice guy.

aturnis 12-19-2014 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish (Post 11202616)
Why would a safety be deep and out of the picture if they were supposedly expecting a screen pass?

He's not arguing that they expected one, he's arguing that they reacted as if they believed it was one. As clearly intended.

cdcox 12-19-2014 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 11204039)
Mo Carthon lent it to me.



He's a nice guy.

LMAO

Dave Lane 12-20-2014 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JENKINSWINS (Post 11202584)
http://i.imgur.com/U9oEs3T.jpg

What 3 DBs are you talking about? I see 1 DB beyond 10 yards of the LOS, another DB and LB within 10 yards of it.

5 yards is deep for Alex Smith.

JENKINSWINS 12-20-2014 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 11204219)
He's not arguing that they expected one, he's arguing that they reacted as if they believed it was one. As clearly intended.

Thank you.

KCrockaholic 12-20-2014 11:34 AM

The Chiefs run many different variations of the bubble screen/slant concept. It's just a route combination that forces a defender to choose who to key on. If the defender picks DAT here then it leaves a passing lane for Kelce. If the defender stays off, then DAT makes the catch and Kelce is now in position to block downfield. We run this play every single game, it just isn't always that same formation or personnel.

It's not really a "fake" bubble screen. It's similar to the read option. The defender chooses who is going to keep the ball. If the QB keeps the ball do we call this a "fake" handoff? No, because that's not what it is. It's the QB reading the edge defender and he breaks down the line rather than staying outside contain.

xztop123 12-20-2014 12:14 PM

Is this the play with the screen/ read option built in? That was a strange play the dumb announcers didnt even comment on it.

xztop123 12-20-2014 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 11204684)
The Chiefs run many different variations of the bubble screen/slant concept. It's just a route combination that forces a defender to choose who to key on. If the defender picks DAT here then it leaves a passing lane for Kelce. If the defender stays off, then DAT makes the catch and Kelce is now in position to block downfield. We run this play every single game, it just isn't always that same formation or personnel.

It's not really a "fake" bubble screen. It's similar to the read option. The defender chooses who is going to keep the ball. If the QB keeps the ball do we call this a "fake" handoff? No, because that's not what it is. It's the QB reading the edge defender and he breaks down the line rather than staying outside contain.


This.

They do it all the time. its just to give extra space (since the defender wouldn't actually be on the TE any way, he would just be closer to him)


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