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brorth 09-14-2012 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8909493)
You think its fair to place the blame on Cassel for things out of his control?

Let's be real here, Cassel had a good game against a very talented defense.

It's true.
21 of 33 for 258 yds. 63.6% Completed, 7.82 yds per attempt. 24 yd longest completion, 1 TD 2 Int and a 72.5 passer rating?
That's what qualifies as a good game in your book?
You've allowed your standards to be compromised by our current QB situation.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-14-2012 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Thig Lyfe (Post 8909067)
Proud to be an Anti-Cassel man
Where at least I know I'm right
Damn straight.

durtyrute 09-14-2012 11:08 AM
Matt is not our problem right now

BossChief 09-14-2012 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 8909487)
Sorry, but I'm firmly entrenched in the belief that Matt Cassel causes as many of the drops/tipped pass interceptions as his receivers do.

When you are constantly throwing it high, slightly behind, not in stride, to the wrong spot, your receivers are not going to be able to make clean catches.

In 2010, I started noticing that Cassel couldn't hit guys in stride. They never caught the ball with two hands extended in front of their face mask without slowing down or stopping. Why? Because Cassel never put it there. That was the moment I lost faith in him.

I never want to hear about completion percentage. Show me a QB throwing on a crossing route, and I'll tell you immediately if he's accurate or not. Cassel could throw for 70% completion, but he'll never be accurate.
I have been a Cassel hater since well before the trade and brinks truck.

That doesn't mean I will ignore his improvements when I see them.

He threw the majority of his passes Sunday with good zip and accuracy against a very talented defense.

htismaqe 09-14-2012 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8909493)
You think its fair to place the blame on Cassel for things out of his control?

Let's be real here, Cassel had a good game against a very talented defense.

It's true.
He's the only player on the offense other than the center that touches the ball on EVERY play.

To suggest that all of these things are "out of his control" is incorrect.

No, Albert shouldn't have let the rusher run free. Cassel could have also held onto the ball. He's not completely absolved of blame.

Similarly, on the Moeaki tipped ball/INT - although it appears to have been a perfectly-thrown ball, we have no idea about the velocity and other factors that might have led to Moeaki not catching the ball. By sheer virtue of the fact that Cassel THREW THE PASS, he'll never be completely free of blame.

All of that being said, I'm sick and ****ing tired of these conversations. I would just like for ONE TIME to be able to say "he had a good game" and not have to add a qualifier afterwards.

BossChief 09-14-2012 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by brorth (Post 8909510)
21 of 33 for 258 yds. 63.6% Completed, 7.82 yds per attempt. 24 yd longest completion, 1 TD 2 Int and a 72.5 passer rating?
That's what qualifies as a good game in your book?
You've allowed your standards to be compromised by our current QB situation.
Only one of those picks was his fault and that causes a big swing in the QB rating.

The rest of that stat line is good enough to win with against defenses as good as Atlantas.

I'll take 63% and 7.82 ALL DAY from our quarterback position.

If he ends the year with those averages, Id be happy.

BossChief 09-14-2012 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8909536)
He's the only player on the offense other than the center that touches the ball on EVERY play.

To suggest that all of these things are "out of his control" is incorrect.

No, Albert shouldn't have let the rusher run free. Cassel could have also held onto the ball. He's not completely absolved of blame.

Similarly, on the Moeaki tipped ball/INT - although it appears to have been a perfectly-thrown ball, we have no idea about the velocity and other factors that might have led to Moeaki not catching the ball. By sheer virtue of the fact that Cassel THREW THE PASS, he'll never be completely free of blame.

All of that being said, I'm sick and ****ing tired of these conversations. I would just like for ONE TIME to be able to say "he had a good game" and not have to add a qualifier afterwards.
Im not gonna sit here and blame Cassel for a defender wrapping Moeaki up while the ball was in the air and Moeaki STILL getting his hands up high enough to get them on the ball.

On the fumble, JA was WAYYYY offsides and the ball was chopped out within 2 seconds of the snap.

Now way I am placing the blame for the results of those plays on Cassel.

When he fails, Ill be right here to throw him into the fire and will be calling for Brady Quinn and Stanzi to get their chances...but that time hasnt came yet.

whoman69 09-14-2012 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8909560)
Im not gonna sit here and blame Cassel for a defender wrapping Moeaki up while the ball was in the air and Moeaki STILL getting his hands up high enough to get them on the ball.

On the fumble, JA was WAYYYY offsides and the ball was chopped out within 2 seconds of the snap.

Now way I am placing the blame for the results of those plays on Cassel.

When he fails, Ill be right here to throw him into the fire and will be calling for Brady Quinn and Stanzi to get their chances...but that time hasnt came yet.
If they lose this week, it has to be close. 0-2 going to New Orleans is not the place to be.

Hammock Parties 09-14-2012 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8909560)
On the fumble, JA was WAYYYY offsides and the ball was chopped out within 2 seconds of the snap.
He wasn't offsides at all. Dunno why this falsity is getting spread around.

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Hammock Parties 09-14-2012 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8909455)
If you take away the fumble (that really wasn't all his fault, thats totally on the refs and Albert) and the Moeaki pick (which also wasn't his fault...ball placement was just just fine) he had a good game. Good zip and accuracy on his passes and he showed some poise on some of his throws.
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Didn't throw a single pass over 22 yards.

That's my quateybeck

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Hammock Parties 09-16-2012 05:42 PM
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Munson 09-16-2012 05:45 PM
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FlaChief58 09-17-2012 11:01 AM
This should stay on the front page until he's gone

Fish 09-17-2012 11:06 AM
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