Never going to freaking happen.

Boom!

In the past 20 years, 11 Super Bowls were won by guys that were top 5 picks and still on their original teams.

5 LBs
3 QBs
2 RBs
1 OT

Alright, what might?

I think they'd give up next year's first for him, especially since they seem to think they can get a nice QB prospect in round 2 this year.

Speaking as a Jags fan, what would you give up, if anything, to move up and take Clowney? He sure seems like an ideal fit for your squad. Would you rather call KC's bluff and hope they don't take him or give up something to ensure that you'll get him?

This entire thread seems like an extended rationalization to avoid taking a QB.

This entire post seems like an extended attempt to avoid substantive discussion in favor of a predetermined course.

I don't see how you can see Clowney on the board and just say "**** it, I'm still taking Geno". At that point that is being an ideologue and little more.

And even if your position is "**** it, I'm taking Geno", you'd be irresponsible not to call Jacksonville and discuss trade-down scenarios, so why not kick that idea around as well?

Ahem.

Posted yesterday at 8:15pm.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...2&postcount=24

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Nothing. If we don't have the first pick then he's not worth getting in contrast to having a QB that isn't in the bottom 7 of QBs in the league for 2 years straight. I want my QB first.

Here is my reasoning. When the Broncos hoisted up the Superbowl trophy in 2013....oh wait they didn't. Von Miller was almost non existent in postseason play. When the 49ers hoisted up the Superbowl trophy...oh wait they didn't. Aldon Smith and Justin Smith were non existent in the postseason. When the Texans hoisted...oh wait they didn't. JJ Watt was non existent in the postseason. My point is, having a dominant pass rusher will win you regular season games to an extent but a QB wins you the postseason and the Superbowl. No thank you to Clowney if we aren't picking #1 overall. Not moving up for a player other than a QB.

The point I was making is that Clowney won't be in this draft. Even if he does get a lawyer to fight this (which he won't)

Going Bosschief on us :)

Once you trade down you lose control of your own destiny. The entire reason why the #1 overall pick is so desirable is precisely because you control the narrative of the entire draft. You don't have to consider contingencies, reaches, or runs on players, you spot your guy and you take it.

Furthermore, while Jadeveon Clowney is a great prospect, he can't add more value to a team than a quarterback can.

I realize that the situation discussed is working a trade with Jacksonville, but unless they are run by the fools who got fired from Cleveland, why would they possibly bite on that trade offer? It's Maddenesque bullshit.

I also realize that the equation in question is Clowney+ second round QB or journeyman, or potential 2014 QB vs. Geno Smith+2014 pick, but people are seriously ignoring the importance of draft experts creating narratives to ensure and garner interest.

Griffin went from a top 5 pick but decided #2 overall to QB to "Hey, maybe he's better than Luck" last year precisely for this reason.

Cam Newton was eviscerated as a prospect in 2011 to ensure the lack of available consensus. The same thing happened when Detroit was supposedly negotiating with Curry over Stafford.

Realize where you exist in space. Every #1 overall's stock is never lower than it is in this period, because if it wasn't, there'd be nothing to talk about.

All of that also ignores the fact that this has the same possibility of happening as someone injecting stem cells into Lawrence Taylor to reverse the aging process, thus making him eligible for this draft. Clowney is not going to declare for the draft. It's a pointless argument.

At the end, the equation is this simple: Even a great pass rusher is, at best, a closer. a quarterback is a starting pitcher. He makes a greater material impact on the game, and a 5% difference in QB is far more important than a 25% difference in DE.

Dude on pti made a good point. Said it wouldn't matter if he tried, high courts wouldn't get involved in something that's been collectively bargained so would fail

Funny we have drafted a DT, de, AND safety on that list
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Thank you sir may i have another

I know. I was answering DJ's post though. Even if we picked 2nd again next year I wouldn't want to trade up for him for those same reasons. Not worth it.