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Mr. Laz 04-12-2017 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 12821759)
Watching Gruden's QB camp.... Trubuisky is dumb as a rock.

Then how is he going top-10?

Would be just like Cleveland to take Trubisky #1 and end up with Jamarcus Russell.

Quesadilla Joe 04-13-2017 05:07 AM

Albert Breer on Kizer...

Spoiler!

From the same column...

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DeShone Kizer is widely seen as a fit for the Cardinals. Texas Tech’s Patrick Mahomes is pegged as one for the Steelers, and many rival officials believe he’ll land there. Likewise, Davis Webb has high-end potential and intangibles but is considered raw.
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/04/13/j...y-nfl-minicamp

Quesadilla Joe 04-13-2017 01:34 PM

I don't know what they're talking about when they say the word is KC likes Mahomes, but Mike Lombardi discusses it....

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The Franchise 04-13-2017 01:41 PM

I'm not listening to 30 minutes of this bullshit. Where's the KC comment at?

Quesadilla Joe 04-13-2017 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12822971)
I'm not listening to 30 minutes of this bullshit. Where's the KC comment at?

Right at the beginning. I would've specified if it was somewhere in the middle.

The Franchise 04-13-2017 01:42 PM

Alright then. Thanks.

DJ's left nut 04-13-2017 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12821635)
I can't agree.

The thing that separates the greats from the rest of the pack is their ability to process the information they see on the field much more quickly, and the the confidence in what they see.

Eh, that's fine. People can disagree.

I think there's a threshhold level of physical tools that any QB has to hit to reach even playable status - Watson clears that fairly easily. In that 'playable to good' tier, it's largely between the ears that decides where you fall.

There's another 'filter' that pops up between good and championship caliber and that requires a greater level of physical tools/arm talent. I don't think Watson clears that bar. So I think it puts his ceiling at 'pretty good' regardless of how good his intangibles are.

To clear that bar without that threshhold level of physical tools is simply a rare enough event as to not be worth projecting; the exception that proves the rule. The Montana Doctrine, so to speak.

Mr. Laz 04-13-2017 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 12822215)
Albert Breer on Kizer...

Spoiler!

From the same column...



http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/04/13/j...y-nfl-minicamp

Yep, heard rumors that Kizer has maturity issues that might scare teams off

apparently, there were some personality issues with teammates in college as well

Sounds like people might be worried that Kizer could lose it under NFL pressure.

Might be talking a 3-year sit for him because of it

milkman 04-13-2017 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12822976)
Eh, that's fine. People can disagree.

I think there's a threshhold level of physical tools that any QB has to hit to reach even playable status - Watson clears that fairly easily. In that 'playable to good' tier, it's largely between the ears that decides where you fall.

There's another 'filter' that pops up between good and championship caliber and that requires a greater level of physical tools/arm talent. I don't think Watson clears that bar. So I think it puts his ceiling at 'pretty good' regardless of how good his intangibles are.

To clear that bar without that threshhold level of physical tools is simply a rare enough event as to not be worth projecting; the exception that proves the rule. The Montana Doctrine, so to speak.

To be clear here, I am not commenting on any specific QB.

I haven't seen any of these guys more than once, and haven't invested any time researching.

I am just talking in broad generalities.

Quesadilla Joe 04-14-2017 08:30 AM

A little more Mahomes and KC smoke from Matt Miller's Friday column...

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—One more quarterback note: If you're looking for a Mahomes landing spot, two teams I'm told by scouts and general managers that really like him are the Arizona Cardinals and Kansas City Chiefs.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...ce=twitter.com

kcchiefsus 04-14-2017 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 12823966)
A little more Mahomes and KC smoke from Matt Miller's Friday column...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...ce=twitter.com

If the Chiefs really want him it won't matter because they'll get outmaneuvered like they always do.

Mr. Laz 04-14-2017 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchiefsus (Post 12824397)
If the Chiefs really want him it won't matter because they'll get outmaneuvered like they always do.

We may really like him
We may really want him
We won't trade up for him

All these rumors about KC liking Mahomes just means that someone will trade right in front of us and grab him. Dorsey is not a "trade up" type guy, he trades down or stand pat.

MahiMike 04-14-2017 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12821635)
I can't agree.

The thing that separates the greats from the rest of the pack is their ability to process the information they see on the field much more quickly, and the the confidence in what they see.

Correct. It's why I personally rank arm strength 3rd after intelligence and eyes/vision.

Quesadilla Joe 04-15-2017 11:30 AM

Florio saying that he's hearing that QB's are going to go higher than suspected... Last week the word was the exact opposite LMAO

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One source who has proven to be very accurate in the past has shared the current assessment of the manner in which teams regard the top quarterbacks in the draft.

The top five, each of whom could potentially go in round one depending on how anxious teams are to roll the dice for a potential starter (and/or the always-elusive franchise quarterback), are as follows: (1) Mitchell Trubisky; (2) Deshaun Watson; (3) Patrick Mahomes; (4) Davis Webb; and (5) DeShone Kizer.

As the draft approaches, there seems to be a stronger sense that the quarterbacks will go earlier than previously expected. Which makes sense; some teams can’t resist the lure of a potential franchise quarterback, which often results in the guys regarded as the top quarterbacks in a given drafted being drafted sooner than they should be.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...aft-currently/

Quesadilla Joe 04-15-2017 11:56 AM

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