Here are Donovan McNabb's ATTEMPTS over 20 yards for every year of his career.

No, the argument has been that Reid likes to go downfield with the ball.

You are the one that has been spinning, and you continue to do so, rather that admit your error.

Good luck with credibility, dipshit.

You'll never have any.

ROFL

You just going to play if off are ya?

Admit you're wrong and move on.

How hard can it be? If you're MAN enough...

I admit I'm wrong when I'm wrong. Don't cop out now. You are the one losing credibility. Do I have to cite every quote to show you are pussing out?

hitsmaqe, post a link to the split stats. Let me see the rankings.

ROFL

Use Google ****face. I found them on ESPN AND NFL.com.

Furthermore, why do you care what the rankings are? Gonna try to move the goalposts again.

Let's recap:

You said Andy Reid's offense didn't throw the ball deep until the got fast WRs.

As the 20+ yard attempts CLEARLY shows, you're wrong.

Seriously, own up or go away.

You are twisting this. I have been consistent throughout.

Let's make this perfectly clear Bob.

One of us will be leaving this board forever when this is all said and done. That's a ****ing promise AND a threat.

You need to do a better job of spinning.

This ain't working.

Those stats aren't from ESPN like you said. I posted links to everything I researched.

LMAO

ROFL

I got the first set of stats from Donovan McNabb's profile on ESPN.

I got the 2nd set of stats from Donovan McNabb's profile on NFL.com.

Clock is ticking Bob. Make up your mind.

I'll sure be glad when this tickle fight will be over.

Clearly a skill that you are lacking, but it's never too late to learn to walk away Bob. You got your ass handed to you. And now you're just flailing around claiming they are out to get you. They aren't out to get you, they just proved you are wrong. Move on.
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He could end it right now, respect the fact that he's been banned MULTIPLE TIMES, and leave.

This fight will end when one of us leaves.

And if it's me leaving, it will be the result of getting banned.

So Bob has a choice to make.

LMAO

Bob is either a masterful troll, or the dumbest ****stain to ever infest this place.

I am computer illiterate and an internet dumbass.

Even I had little trouble finding them since learning where to look.

He's probably looking at the splits right now. I know where he's going next and it has to do with attempts of 40+, just wait.

Damnit.

Sorry man. Really didn't mean to subject your thread to the collateral damage.

You have asked me all day for these rankings. I could cite more of your words. Hitsqmage throws up some bullshit and I ask for the ranking and you tell me I lose?

Give me the link hitsqmage. Why is it to much for me to ask you for the rankings when the guy you are fighting for has been asking me all day?

Where are the rankings Mr. Credibility? Like I said the first time, if I was wrong, people would be lining up to rape my ass.

Those rankings were everything to you.

Go away.

Sorry man and I feel you. This is really stupid. I swear it was meant to be a harmless post that was argued that Geno was no more the best option for Reid than Wilson was.

People are lining up dipshit. That long line behind you? Yep that's us



And fwiw, Matt miller pretty much just said zonel was full of shit with his sources and that he is a moron

I can't find the link. If you are as great as you pretend to be, give me the link and show some honor.

Yeah zobel is getting annihilated on twitter for making up shit

You are SO full of shit.

A "harmless" post is saying:

"I think all things considered, Tyler Wilson has plenty of arm strength to run Andy Reid's offense. I think the people that think Geno is that much better of a fit are wrong."

You, instead, said this:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1669

You just don't know when to quit. I'm not quite done letting this play out, but this is the straw that broke the camel's back.

**** you.

Basic internet skills. Found the first set using Google in less than 30 seconds. Modified my search and found the 2nd set in less than a minute.

Don't appeal to my sense of honor. Appeal to your own.

Admit you were wrong and move on.

Ban this troll already. He's done nothing but shit all over both the Geno and Tyler Wilson thread...


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I wasn't trying to be disrespectful.

I give up. I can't win that coversation even though I am right and I understand that. I have no problem admitting defeat and have been more than willing to step up when I am wrong. I even did it in this thread. If you want to understand what happened, you should start here.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...63693&page=112

From my point of view, I see two veteran posters that were wrong and their egos were hurt.

Ban me if you want to but, know that you are banning what has been lost over time through "mob rule" on this website. Those things are creativity and thinking outside the box.

Milkman might be the best poster here but, today he was wrong.

Black bob is the only smart person on this site
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He's a legend is his own mind

How do they keep nailing you inside of 20 posts with every new account? Why is it so hard for you to put your hands in the air and say "**** it. We disagree. I'm not going to sit here and argue in a situation where I know the whole damn board is just going to continue to paint me into the same corner"?

You really can't win for losing around here, and you're not even willing to try. It's the same thing over and over. I'm not big on banning people dude. It's not a decision I'm willing to make alone, so you're good for now. But I've got a guy who used to moderate this board that has been here since the beginning who's ready to fall on his sword over you for what he considers the good of the whole place. And he's one of the most laid back guys I know.

I also know all of the behind the scenes shit with you and threatening to sue CP, and the rest of it. Sooooooo, tell me which way I should lean. In any case, you don't bother me personally, that's why I don't talk shit to you. Even though I disagree with damn near every take I've seen you post. Nothing personal.

I am hoping somehow either Barkley or Wilson drops to the 33rd pick, but it starting to sound like the Jets are going to take one of them. ****ing Jets.

How are they wrong? Look at the stats that have been posted.

I'm right, everyone else is wrong./Blackbozo

Just ignore him

It doesn't matter if you were trying to be disrespectful or not. You post inflammatory things you better be prepared to get burned.

Just downright unbelievable. Nobody could possibly be this myopic.

Don't kid yourself. You can't touch my ego. See, I don't approach this with any. This is about having a factual and intellectually stimulating conversation about football and has been for over 10 years.

Unfortunately for you, you have a problem acknowledging facts and there's nothing even remotely intellectually stimulating about your football takes.

Still trying to paint yourself as the martyr. Sad really.

bitch bitch bitch...

Note that it's the same 5-10 people who follow me around and either bitch about my posts, post a stupid gif, or say one stupid word like "wuh?"

I'm not the thread shitter. The "mob" are the ones who shit on all the threads. You can find it anywhere anytime. Someone gives an opinion they don't like, then it's a boot party.

I have tried so many times to get this thread back on track that it's crazy.

I'm not part of the mob nor are my respones animated GIFs or one word quips.

This thread will only get back on track once you are removed from it.

Is Rambozo blackbob? I thought he left the site months ago. Weird.

I'll give Bob this.

I did ask where his numbers ranked.

Though it really wasn't about that, but whether Reid offense tried to put the ball downfield, I will concede that point.

he centered on that because it was all he had.

He knew he had lost at that point. It was all he had left to hang from
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Yep.

During a radio interview, Senior Bowl executive director Phil Savage said Arkansas QB Tyler Wilson is obviously "not the number one pick in the draft."


Savage then added that the "second round (is) likely" where Wilson will end up. Again, no quarterbacks separated themselves during Senior Bowl week, each showing the positives and negatives that were apparent on tape. Wilson needs to work on his footwork when stepping into throws, which will in turn keep his vertical targets from fluttering.

Phil Savage is another 95 Browns lackey, he's not all that different from *****.

That being said, I do agree with the part in bold.

It'd be great to see a "before" and "after" clip from the work done at IMG Academy. I know Weinke can't do much in just one or two months, only train QBs to hit the ground running as soon as they get drafted by a team. Still, I'll bet Wilson gets a head start on his NFL career more than Glennon and others who didn't take the training opportunity.

This is wrong.

According to espn, in 2004 (the only year I looked up so far) donovan had 71 pass attempts that traveled AT LEAST 20 YARDS IN THE AIR

Shit, he had 28 attempts that traveled AT LEAST 41 YARDS IN THE AIR that year.

In espn splits, the yardage they give towards the bottom isn't the whole play yardage, rather it only shows how far the ball traveled before being caught.

Very impressive if you ask me.

It came directly from NFL.com. It only shows 20+ and 40+ attempts and it doesn't state anywhere that they traveled that far in the air.

Only ESPN splits have the number of attempts broken down by how far they traveled in the air (behind LOS, 1-10, 11-20, 21-30, 31-40, and 40+) and unfortunately, ESPN only has those splits going back to 2002.

I think the most relevant year to compare with was the time McNabb had TO because of the similarities between Bowe and TO as well as McNabb and Geno.

I could be wrong, but that's how I see things.

I really wanted Wilson to have a great senior bowl and show he was head and shoulders over the competition. But he just didn't deliver. You can blame it on play calling or the coaches but he looked run of the mill out there. I know one meaningless game doesn't matter but right now he definitely doesn't look like he warrants the #1 pick. (I still thinks he goes in the top 15 of the first round)

Season Team GP GS CMP ATT CMP% YDS TD INT YPG YPC YPA LNG SACK RAT
2008 (Fr.) Arkansas 2 0 11 22 50.0 69 1 2 34.5 6.3 3.1 10 3 73.2
2009 (RFr.) Arkansas 5 0 22 36 61.1 218 2 2 43.6 9.9 6.1 21 0 119.2
2010 (RSo.) Arkansas 6 0 34 51 66.7 453 4 3 75.5 13.3 8.9 54 3 155.4
2011 (RJr.) Arkansas 13 13 277 438 63.2 3,638 24 6 279.8 13.1 8.3 68 26 148.4
2012 (RSr.) Arkansas 10 10 218 349 62.5 3,028 20 12 302.8 13.9 8.7 80 14 147.4
Career Arkansas 36 23 562 896 62.7 7,406 51 25 205.7 13.1 8.3 80 46 145.3

If he's the best signal caller and worthy of being top 15, we should take him at 1. If Geno Smith is the best signal caller and worthy of being top 15, we should take him at 1. You can't reach on the best field general coming out if you need one desperately. It's impossible to call that a reach.

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ESPN's @mortreport called Luke Joeckel "probably the frontrunner" to go No. 1 to #Chiefs, but he's "got a feeling" Andy Reid may take a QB.

Translation: he has no earthly idea.

I listened to Mort say this live today.

He said that Joeckel is regarded as the top prospect by most but he thought Andy + Dorsey would take a QB and develop them.

So Mort essentially will get credit if they take Joeckel or ANY QB. That's very gutsy of him.

He leaned more towards the QB while everyone else ridiculed them and Mort sounded kinda irritated while not trying to IMO (I realize that's extremely subjective, but it seemed to me Mort was like "**** you guys, why the **** would KC take a LT here?" Clayton was ****ing confusing. He goes "Well, the Chiefs have a solid LT in Albert, but I think they go with joeckel. Good pick" Are you ****ing kidding me Clayton? ROFL )

You mean when the Chiefs re-sign Albert the Joeckel talk STILL won't end?

**** me dry :facepalm:

That's what it sounded like to me. THey didn't even mention moving Albert to guard. Does that mean they think we draft Joeckel and stash him on the bench?

ROFL people just A) Don't give a flying **** about our midwestern market team and B) Refuse to acknowledge QBs are the most important players despite knowing that nearly all of their segments and media stories are focused on them.

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva
Chip Kelly says big hands are essential for quarterbacks; Nick Foles had biggest hands of any QB at the 2012 Combine: http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7475/nick-foles …

Well if Mort was stickin up to them staying on the QB angle, I take back my shot at him.

Not that the Eagles would have taken Tyler Wilson anyway but surely this is the final nail in that coffin.

JFC. ESPN has the most embarrasing collection of "experts". Just inexcusable for anyone that supposedly follows the game that close to have that kind of an abortion of an opinion.

Doesn't Michael Vick have the same size hands as Wilson...?

Yup

Thats not a good endorsement for Wilson though. I like Wilson, but man he has tiny hands. Gotta think, Vick is 6' exactly and has the same size hands as a man 3 inches taller.

And to get it out there, I don't give a damn about the SR bowl game. Practices matter, and were when Wilson looked good.


I do have a concern about his deep ball as it seems to flutter, but it seems to be a mechanics problem not so much a weak arm thing.

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NFL Philosophy ‏@NFLosophy
Tyler Wilson just poorly read and underthrows a ball on a skinny post that should have gone for 6. Instead should have been INT.

NFL Philosophy ‏@NFLosophy
That's what I see with Tyler Wilson. Too many miscues regarding his throws. Needs time to find consistency before starting in NFL

I don't really thnk it woudl take that long.

All these QBs just need real experience. Just start them.

This is why I like the Chiefs taking a QB at 1. They have a great running game and potentially a good defense to lean on for a little while.

jesus...
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Hand size is clearly a problem for Wilson. Which is why Geno had like 4 times more fumbles than him this year.

Not like Wilson was out a few games or plays in a warm place or anything. :rollseyes:

Didn't he only miss a single game? And your weather excuse is ADORABLE. There is zero evidence that Wilson's hand size is a problem.

You turned into a troll real fast

He did have a great senior bowl week! Clearly distinguished himself head and shoulders above any other QB there. Despite how the game was played.

Translation: You don't actually have anything to back up your argument, you just got hypersensitive in defense of a QB your team might not even draft.