huh? engrish please! :D

Ok, back on topic then.. I still contend that an iPad is almost USELESS to a user like me... there is far too much that I can NOT do on an iPad that I can on a touchpad or my phone.

I honestly thought by now or at least in the next 6 months(18-24 months from original debate)... that wouldn't be the case... that by NOW HTML5 would have caught up and it would be a viable standard that would be seriously getting adopted across the board. I thought by now an iPad would be useful even for me... I was wrong .. it's still a piece of crap for me... maybe in another year or two.

Here are some sites to illustrate my point...

nbc.com (need an app)
xhamster.com (PORN!)
mint.com (not even an app)
megavideo (nada)
fox.com (I think they have an app)

Yes quite a few others got on board with HTML5... but here we are 18 months later and some BIG BOYS have not.

Again, no. Just... no. That is all totally incorrect.

Nowhere did I say without an app, nor did I even hint that they'd ALL have it. And can you show me that I'm incorrect in my assertion now?

So, why are you doing it?

Again, you have failed to point out where anyone said it would be overnight, or that it wouldn't take time.

WOW.. even with the posts right there..

Let's leave apps out of the equation (even though I clearly stated BACK then that it had to be HTML5 not an app)
you said Q2, you were wrong. I agree no one said overnight... You said Q2 and it's STILL not there yet.. as I just pointed out there are far too many sites with neither HTML5 nor an app.

The crux of this argument is simple.. you and others said Flash was dying.. I agreed.. I said it would take a VERY long time.. you and others told me I was wrong... the only timetable I see that YOU put out there was Q2 (which was 12 months away at that point) I said 18-24 months. I've got about 6 more months before I will be wrong on HTML5 adoption as well!

I'm pretty sure I was right. Yes, you had SOME adoption of HTML5 right away but then it stalled out in a major way. It's not even as far along as I thought it'd be at this point.

Of the top 100? That's what this focused on.

I'm looking at the top 100 sites right now (http://www.alexa.com/topsites)

Most of them are google, or have an app (like eBay, amazon, ESPN -- although, you can stream videos from ESPN and NFL.com both). Of the ones that aren't, things like torrent sites, I wouldn't need to access them on a mobile device, anyway, because I'm not going to be torrenting from my iPad.

If you're talking 90% of ALL websites, then yeah, it's nowhere near that. Never said it would be, though.

Again, show me EXACTLY where I said that Flash would be dead in Q2 of this year. I never said that, so stop asserting that I did. Either post it up, or drop it (which means dropping it, because I never said it).

Let's see...
nbc.com (need an app) ---- FALSE. I'm watching video from nbc.com right now on my iPhone.
xhamster.com (PORN!) ----- FALSE. They have a mobile version.
mint.com (not even an app) ----- FALSE. Go to the page on iOS and I'm greeted with "Get the free app."
megavideo (nada) ----- You're one for four, kinda. The VideoBrowser app lets you view megavideo videos on the iPhone without Flash. Interestingly enough, the Android apps all tout that you don't need flash on Android to use this app, either.
fox.com (I think they have an app) ----- Requires to view video clips, but they have an app

I think you just don't know what you can and cannot access with iOS, as proven by your above list. Even when you get to cherry-pick your examples, some of them are flat-out wrong, and others offer an easy alternative.

Those were based on a search I did that had Jan 1 thru July 1 (since you were predicting a Q2 widespread adoption of HTML5) so Mint must have just gotten an app and xhamster and nbc had people bitching about not being able to use them on ipad so those two must have changed since then as well...



Ok, first off .. Alexa is a crap ranking for top sites.. there methodology is awful.

And since you brought up Google.. that is a perfect example... Google Docs, Voice and a number of other things I use daily through Google... do not work worth a shit on an iPad.

I am not saying you said Flash would go away .. you said that HTML5 adoption would make it a non-issue by Q2.. THAT is where you were dead wrong. That said.. there were others (Irishjayhawk) who made more aggressive claims. Either way.. I was clear that it would take 18 months and here we are 18 months later.

This post speaks for itself... April 7th 2010

Even still, you had the Hulu app available during that time period for NBC shows.

Mint, I don't know. Is that even a top 100 site?

xhamster is, I know, but it isn't as if there are no other porn sites out there, especially iOS compatible ones. They're a dime a dozen.

What's better? I really don't know.

And in any case, there can't be THAT much of a difference between that list and others. Apps and mobile versions abound.

This is ****ing ridiculously incorrect. I take notes for my glasses on Google docs on my iPad. It works VERY well, especially after they optimized it for mobile devices. It worked fine before, though. The spreadsheet was a little slow before, but works fine now.

It IS a non-issue for the top 100 sites (and beyond), due to mobile versions and apps. How is that dead wrong? Show me some kind of concrete proof.

Yeah, because it happened like that. Most of the top sites have a mobile version, and those that don't mostly have apps available and have had for quite some time.

better then Alexa? I honestly don't know either. I'll be honest I haven't tested Google Docs on an iPad in the last 6 months but last time I tried it was GARBAGE Pretty sure THAT didn't hit your Q2 time frame... but I'm glad to hear it's better now.. is it fully functional(can you do drawings and presentations?)
? What about Voice? Analytics?

mobile versions I will let you count.. but you can't count APPS.. it is clear from your posts that you thought HTML5 would make downloading apps unnecessary... so nice try but no dice.

That means I get NBC.COM and FOX.COM as examples.. if google isn't fully functional I am counting it as well... I'm tempted to count YouTube since an iPad can only view SOME of the videos. They are moving to HTML5 but they are currently a hodgepodge of h.264 and WebM

So I need 6 more? Pretty sure there are 6 more I can find if I bother to look.

Except your post says I won't HAVE TO download an app.. it will be html5! Yes there are pain in the ass apps for tons of sites.. but I think it's pretty clear from your post that you were saying that HTML5 would make apps to watch video unnecessary... and it will ... someday. But you were wrong about a "few months" or even 12...

I've been using it for about a year on the iPad, so I'd say it did. I don't use Google voice, but my friends do, and I don't hear them complain about it.

No, you're just reading into it what you want to read into it. My contention was that site would offer either a mobile version, HTML5 version or an app. As for the adoption of HTML5, it all depends upon what you consider "a few months." I tend to think of a few months as a lot more than you do, apparently. That and the Q2 were separate conversations.

Google has always been fully functional. And counting YouTube? Are you joking? Also, NBC and Fox aren't in the top 100.

It's clear to you, because that's how you want to read it.

Fair enough on Voice but Docs was GARBAGE on an ipad just a few months back man.


NO ONE can consider "a few months" to = 12+ that's ridiculous. And I'm not "reading into" anything... here was the conversation...

Me: blah blah bitch bitch having to download an app for each site sucks...
You: in a few months, that won't be a big deal. You can just happily click the link and watch HTML5 video. In the meantime, you can just get an app

How is that NOT you saying that I won't have to download an app because HTML5 was on its way? So, NO you don't get to count apps.

If Fox and NBC aren't in the top 100 than that list and the entire argument is invalid... gimme a break.. 2 of the 5 broadcast networks? Come on son.

Lastly, YES I will count YouTube since you can NOT view all the videos on an iPad.. I proved that way way back in this thread somewhere.. IF it was fully HTML5 compliant (Apple's version of HTML5 of course) like you predicted then that would not be the case.

To talk about things in an 18 month time frame isn't exactly unheard of. Maybe it's just because I'm getting old, but I also think of a "few weeks" as 16-20. This is all pretty subjective.

Because the point was that you won't have to download an app for EVERY site. And you don't for EVERY SITE. The adoption of HTML5 has borne that out. But there are still apps available and necessary for some sites. Some sites are perfectly accessible on iOS, but still have an app that has increased functionality.

Well, ARE they? Most people use Hulu.

LOL Whatever, man. You have such a hard-on for being right that you refuse to count YouTube as iOS5 compatible, even when you can view YouTube videos natively on the OS, within Safari and other apps, OR use the app? GMAFB.

That's a bit of a stretch man but whatever.



Also a stretch.. you sure you're not a politician? Pretty sure an overwhelming majority of people would read your post and assume you mean that HTML5 would be standard on most if not all sites in "a few months"

Can you watch all YouTube video on an iPad? Simple question. Either way, I'll let ya keep YouTube... it doesn't change the fact that it was pretty clear that you and others said HTML5 was coming fast and furious and DaFace and myself stated that it was gonna take a lot longer than you may think.

It's also clear to me that you are the PERFECT Apple customer.. your expectations for a web experience are set so amazingly low that you are easy to please. I am much more demanding.

Most people would have also read the conversation in context, instead of pulling it out of the conversation and applying it incorrectly.

Are you sure you're not Fox News?

I can watch the overwhelming majority in the YouTube app or Safari. Far in excess of 99%. Perfect? No. Acceptable enough to say that YouTube works well on iOS? Absolutely. And for that small percentage that won't? There's an app for those, too.

Most of the top sites offer mobile or HTML5 versions now. That's what is pretty clear. Even sites outside of the top 100 are on the bandwagon. iOS is a perfectly viable platform.

As I've said many times before, I don't alter what I view between my iPad and my Win 7 machine. I look at the same exact websites. I have encountered zero issues doing so. You, on the other hand, are in the extreme minority who are so demanding, anything less than perfect is garbage. I rarely have to workaround, but they are there. Like I've said before, it's not perfect, but what Apple does well, it does REALLY well. Certainly well enough that it overshadows a couple of minor inconveniences.

Almost forgot this...

Ok fine... people use Hulu... another site that DOES NOT work on iPad.

The app does...

Also, Android users can't view it, either. They must use the app, despite having Flash.

Seriously? Nothing was taken out of context at all.. I even recreated the conversation at one point...

You can't watch anywhere CLOSE to 99%... you certainly can't watch any videos with ads and the percentage of those is growing daily.

If by MOST you mean "a few"... then yeah. But as I pointed out, Hulu, Fox NBC etc etc etc are NOT on that list... that seems pretty huge to me.

Yet, you still managed to mischaracterize it. The discussion spanned several pages, and culminated in that exchange. Yet, it was never about limiting it to certain sites. The point of the exchange was that you won't ALWAYS have to download an app to watch videos on the web, and that's true. It wasn't that you'll NEVER have to.

Sure I can. Maybe I need to use iSwifter. Maybe I can view it through Skyfire. But I can watch them if I really need to.

NBC is, as you've just discovered. Hulu is a business decision more than an anti-HTLM5. They don't want ANY mobile browser viewing it for free, so they have prevented that from occurring. But, they do have an app, and that counts as a decent alternative.

<- patiently waiting to buy a Kindle Fire.

I was seriously considering an Asus Transformer Prime (the specs are staggeringly good) but now that I have had a Touchpad for awhile I have come to think Amazon may be right with the 7" form factor. 9-10 inches is just a bit too big and 4" is just a bit too small. 7" seems just big enough.

OK I just reread this post and if you take the last two sentences out of context I sound really really gay.

Another problem I have with the Touchpad is that while it is 10X more useful than an iPad (:D) .. and even after loading mine with Ubuntu .. it is still basically a toy. And if I'm buying another big toy... $500+ seems a bit too much.

Shit, I love my touchpad. I even like WebOS for the most part. I don't even have any complaints about the speed of the device. It doesn't seem underpowered to me at all. Overclocking to 1.5 does wonders.

I still contend that these tablets are severely overpriced for what they are and hate apple for setting that damn price point for everyone to follow.

On Woot right now.... really good deal...


Apple iPad 64GB with Wi-Fi & 3G

$479.99

www.woot.com

Also some great Apple refurbs here... http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/ipad

Imma either buy a Kindle Fire or a Nook Tablet. NOt sure yet. Anyone have a Nook Tablet?

NO way am i paying an insane price for one.

You're better off saving up for an iPad you want than buying a series of shitty non-competitors that you'll hate.

It has been a perfect buy for me. I can do pretty much everything I want except for photo editing. Especially with all the enhancements google has made to the UI of all their web products.

Do not want a 10 inch. Do not want an ipad. I hate that in order to view streaming content half the time i need to use a ****ing app.

Plus, if i was going to spend 500 bucks, id' just get a laptop. 7 in screens are perfect for me. Just want something i can mess with when i am in bed at night to surf/read before its sleep time.

I was pretty much in the same boat and got an iPad 2. It has been incredible. I literally miss it when I don't have it.

Yea, I am the opposite where it is like why pay more money for a laptop when I can have the much better form factor of the iPad. More comfortable to hold and use plus carry around than a laptop.

I have a Kindle Fire. Its awesome, though glitchy, and no way comparable to the iPad. Unless you think a Ferrari 599 and a Hyundai Accent are comparable.

I do prefer the size of the Fire, especially since I primarily read on it. But that's it.

Especially when a cheap laptop is going to come with cheap software that will land you up in the malware thread all the time.

One nice thing I've really come to appreciate from my iPad is that I never have to wait for it to start up. Just flip the cover and it's on and connected.

Well, i would pay a little more, but if im going to drop 500 for something i may as well bite the bullet and get a nice laptop. I only want to drop a few bills for it right now. I am not going to use my tablet for music and what not. i already have an ipod touch for my music. Like i said, i mostly want it just for late night surfing and netflix.

im not getting a cheap laptop, but all the software on there, is easily removed or disabled. Thats not an issue.

I just dont know if its the Kindle of the Nook yet.

If you're not interested in an iPad, you might have better luck in these threads:

Anyone Getting a Kindle Fire?
Nook VS Kindle
The Android Tablet Watch Thread

Yup. I timed myself at 5 seconds from power button to CP loaded the other day on my Prime. It's glorious (though I wish I could type better on it without getting the keyboard).

I was to lazy to look plus i was multi tasking at the time.

Will Apple lower the price on the Ipad 2's once the Ipad3 comes out??



http://www.technewsworld.com/story/74395.html



Aside from hardware improvements expected to be evolutionary at best, pricing could be one of the more interesting revelations coming out of an iPad 3 launch, especially if Apple decides to continue selling the iPad 2, according to NPD Group Analyst Stephen Baker.

"Most analysts expect that Apple will keep the iPad 2 in the market at a lower price," he told MacNewsWorld.

"There's demand at the price points below (US)$500, which is what Apple is selling the iPad for now," he continued. "Apple is nothing if not aggressive to extend their product line when they think the time is right."

If Apple kept the iPad 2 alive and started selling it at a lower price, it would surprise Bajarin. "We have seen no indication of that," he said.

Nevertheless, Apple's success at keeping the iPhone 4 alive while introducing the new 4S may be a temptation to repeat the tactic for the iPad. "It's a marvel to me that Apple's able to sell old products, as it did with the 3GS and 4, and gain market share," Gartner (NYSE: IT) Vice President for Mobile Computing Ken Dulaney told MacNewsWorld

LOL.... the iPad competition is heating up now....

The Action Pad is now available.... from the Asian Steve Jobs angel....

http://i.imgur.com/RoYuh.jpg

The first 10 pages of this thread are comedy gold.

The fail per page quotient is pretty high.

I remember even back them people kept comparing them to e-readers...and I was like wtf why? That isn't the same thing.

Heh. My predictions of mass adoption in e-venture/education instead of personal usage were off for sure. They've been hugely successful in both.

Heh, congrats to Apple. They basically invented a market that didn't exist. Now no one can live without a tablet it seems.

However, you nailed the education market.

Rumors of 3 are heating up...

March 7th, Ipad2 price is going to drop again, according to a friend of mine who works in the industry.

LMAO.... true. Wow...

30 million iPads later...

Yep Ipad 3 is supposed to be announced.

Ya BB is already discounting them and I heard by the end of the month if not sooner.

The iPad "killer" was always just around the corner. What ever happened to that device?

Someone will be along shortly to tell you how stupid you are because you don't understand the future of the tablet market and the fact that the iPad is already dead... it just doesn't know it yet.

yeah, no single device came out with BOTH the power and the price point... but the slow (much slower than I thought) erosion of market share is well underway. Mostly due to price. The "corporate" killer could be the Windows tabs if Microsoft doesn't screw it up... but I don't have a whole lot of faith. I have a feeling they will be buggy at first and way overpriced .. even for the corporate market.

I haven't double checked the figures but I have heard that iPad is down to 57% market share now... which is a pretty big drop but it looks like my prediction of 15-17% market share won't be realized for awhile. If the current rate of decline holds steady, then we are looking at under 20% market share in 5 more quarters. (I only have 4 quarters left on my bet.. 3.3 really, but the figures come out 1 quarter behind) The only real wildcard might be Windows 8.

Funny follow up on that.. it's all about price... if you look at the figures, even the Playbook had an almost Touchpad-like jump in sales after they slashed prices.

"The IPhone is already dead"


Signed AustinChief 2007

Just days before the announcement of the iPad3, Apple's iPad still holds a 73% market share. All the Android devices combined have yet to yield over 5% of the market. That has exceeded even my expectations....


No Android tablet has eclipsed 5% market share
Posted on March 6, 2012

While the iPad's share in the tablet market has steadily declined, there's been no one Android tablet to take the majority of the credit.

Amazon's Kindle Fire, which was released during the 2011 holiday season, has ignited a lot of interest in the Android tablet environment.

Nevertheless, it hasn't managed to break through to a level of sales that puts significant pressure on the iPad. A new research report from Forrester Research finds that Apple's device now has a 73% stranglehold on the tablet market.

That's pretty impressive, but keep in mind that the iPad invented the market so it effectively had a 100% market share just a couple years ago.

So where's the other 27%? That's a good question. Forrester found that Samsung was the leader in non-iPad tablet manufacturing, but even if you combine all of its Android tablets, it still only commands a 5% market share.

Below that, Motorola clocks in with 4% and Acer is clinging to 3%. According to estimates, the Kindle Fire sold fewer units than Samsung did in 2011, but of course the Kindle Fire was only around for the last month of the year.

These numbers are sure to change, especially as the Kindle Fire and other low-cost Android tablets make a real punch. But today is a vital day to measure the market, as Apple will be introducing the next iPad tomorrow.

With all the hype that has been built up surrounding the new Apple device, the market is sure to start leaning back in that company's direction.

And all the while, they did it without Flash..... :evil:

Sorry, had to get one jab in..

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/3...2529196735.png

In retrospect this is hilarious to me because:

1) I finally replaced my 96 Hyundai Accent last November. It still runs well, I just like the convenience of having a four door Toyota Camry because I am constantly running my two teenagers around.

2) I finally grabbed a Kindle Fire last month and it's nice. It has replaced the laptop niche in my home. I find that I have missed the feeling of carrying a book around in my hand.

annnouncement should be going on right now. Whats the word? ANyone?

Pretty much what was expected, higher res, upgraded gpu, LTE, same price, launches March 16.

Word on iPad2 price drop?

$100 drop

Wow...

I must not have good enough eyes to care about something like that.

Yeah. Went to http://www.apple.com/ipad/ and found the following

It's just an impressive feat for a tablet. That's 1 million more pixels than a 1080p HD TV. When they say more pixels than any device, that includes TVs, monitors, and such too, not just other tablets. It will be the sharpest most accurate display available.

I'll be interested to see it in person...

I guess that's my point. My 40" 720p HDTV looks great to me, so the idea of having that kind of resolution on a 10" tablet just seems pointless. It's an accomplishment for sure, but does it really matter?

quadcore?

It makes a pretty big difference on stuff you're holding close to your face.

http://images.anandtech.com/doci/5655/Untitled-1.jpg

Sure it matters. The clarity is obvious when side by side, like the image posted above. For things like maps, X-rays, technical drawings and such, the ability to zoom in indefinitely without losing quality can be very useful. It provides a huge increase is contrast and clarity. Color depth is greatly improved. Viewing angle is increased considerably. It also improves the accuracy of where you're tapping on the screen.

It also makes things much easier for developers. They can create vector-based apps that can be stretched or shrunk or rotated to fit any iOS device or screen with absolutely no difference in quality. So developers can create a single app that will look perfect regardless of screen size or device type.

Android's method for handling this situation is ridiculously more complex and requires much more work: http://developer.android.com/guide/p...s_support.html

The bigger news is the $100 price drop on iPad2....$399 probably seals their fate to be dominated by some yet unseen Android device. LMAO

Only $100? Even the old crap remains overpriced.

heh, here we ago again with your overpriced suggestion. If it was overpriced, it wouldnt be selling.

Do you think I give a shit if people like overpaying for it? Doesn't change my opinion on it one bit.

LMAO

$399 for an iPad2 is a great value. People were selling used for more than that...

Thats nice. Perfectly happy with my android device that didn't cost near as much and I can do more with.