The only thing keeping the SEC from getting FSU or Clemson is the SEC. If they want them they will get them. The SEC wont just stand pat while the Big XII picks and chooses whomever they want in spite of your hopes and dreams.

JFC ROFL

The Big XII is going to run show. Poor old SEC will have to settle for winning all the titles.

I'm not even an SEC guy, but you're out of your ****ing mind.

Wow, FSU (if they return to former glory) would be a huge upgrade over AM or Mizzou in football.

FSU is a shell of what they once were, though. Clemson is the somewhat attractive chick with the hot body that ends up just laying motionless when it's time to ****. It sounds good, but in the end it's just disappointing.

It's going to be hilarious when Bevo and Boomer sneak out the back door.

Why?

The only facts on the table right now are that the new ACC television deal isn't as good as the Big XII deal.

Since when have facts mattered on CP?

That and the ACC can renegotiate in five years (or when they expand to 16).

I don't see FSU leaving the larger East coast market when it's a short term deal and the buyout makes it cost prohibitive.

West Virginia and TCU are obvious upgrades over Mizzou and A&M.

The real question is whether or not FSU is an upgrade over Nebraska.

Historically? Probably not...but moving forward FSU is a superior program.

If the Big 12 pulls this off it would be incredible. I am on the record saying the FSU wants to stay in their own league but there's too much talk at this point to not think it's going to happen.

Can you PM me when this happens? I want to be sure not to miss it.

Haggard (The FSU BOT chair who kicked off realignment apocalypse 3 yesterday) admitted that his tier 3 rant was wrong, but despite the statement from the FSU president last night, he's not backing down.

Haggard says FSU 'should keep an open mind'

I'm guessing he didn't get much blowback, especially if he was right that the vast majority of boosters want out.

It sounds like I am probably the only person who knows more than one Clemson fan. I spent some time in the area and know a number.

The first thing that strikes me as ridiculous, that Clemson would end up in the Big 12, is that they have plenty of regional rivalries tied to the ACC and SEC. The fans are not going to want to give up historical opponents like that. This isn't like Missouri, who had been boned time after time by a conference beholden to a few and had really only one strong rival, and not one that was truly a rival in football. Clemson is part of the deep south and that's part of the school's identity. The SEC would be about 5,000 times more appealing. FSU too. These are both schools that have fans who travel for football like maniacs. You can't meet Clemson fans that aren't going to Blacksburg, Durham, Tallahassee, Charlottesville with regularity. Do you think Clemson and FSU fans want to start going to Ames and Lawrence/Manhattan or.. anywhere The fans would hate it. There is an entire culture around those teams home and away and it's not going to fly to have to fly to everything.

Besides that, moving up to the SEC is its own reason, both their primary rivals play in that conference and despite what you Baghdad Bobs think, the big 12 could have its pick of anyone out there and no school with an option will chose it if the SEC would answer the phone.

West Virginia just got through joining the big 12 - why? Because they exhausted their attempts to join the SEC.

and Notre Dame could join the Big Ten any day they wanted. Your dreams of playing them in pole vaulting and rowing and maybe basketball if you're lucky pale in comparison... Sorry.

Why is the idea that any other conference might be even comparable such a crazy one? It's just fact.

The SEC isn't going to invite FSU nor Clemson. If it expands, it will almost certainly be into Virginia and North Carolina (or possibly Indiana if Notre Dame wanted in).

The SEC is at 14 teams now. Maybe they'll expand to 16, but maybe not. They are pretty well tapped out on expansion. Maybe they will grab VPI and NC State.

The Big 10 doesn't seem interested in anyone not named Notre Dame. They also would not be willing to offer them as much tier-3 flexibility as the Big 12. They wont be able to have a Notre Dame network in the Big 10. Notre Dame's times as an independent may be numbered if the new BCS leaves them with no viable or realistic path to a championship, and outside of the SEC, it doesn't sound like the conferences are particularly interested in doing the independents any favors.

Finally, if FSU bolts from the ACC, that conference is a dead duck as far as the BCS is concerned. The SOS is already probably too weak to be a player in the new BCS as it is, replace FSU with another basketball school, and any ACC team who wants to be a player at all in football will need to run for the life rafts whether they want to leave the ACC or not.

Clemson is not going to the SEC. Neither is FSU. You probably aren't cracking the UF/UG/USC alliance, and the SEC is pursuing the network model instead of the national broadcast model anyway, which means expanding the footprint over all else.

If the Big 12 expands, they are probably going to 8 conference games anyway. You'll have plenty of OOC slots to continue any rivalries if you have to abandon a sinking ship.

You are insane if you think that. TCU contributes nothing except football (and even that remains to be seen). They aren't playing little sisters of the poor every week. WVU is going to struggle recruiting in the future. Morgantown is a shithole and top east coast kids aren't going to view WVU as being attractive anymore.

Mizzou and A&M have more upside, and it isn't even debatable. Mizzou and A&M already have a combined 10 4-star 2013 recruits. TCU and WVU have 5 recruits combined, and none are higher than 3-star.

Bottom line, TCU may eventually get there, but being a religious-based private university is a handicap on the recruiting trail (outside of Texas, lol).

Clemson has a huge following in North Carolina. Basically it would deliver the Charlotte tv market. There are plenty of tarheels fans there but they hibernate during football season.

This is an NFL size market, and many additional TV sets would come along across the state. FSU doesn't have a metro that way, but it would close out the state of Florida (almost) and there's no denying they have a large fan base. This is also about football prestige for the conference, which brings TV contract dollars too. Both those teams would be a credit in football, and even basketball. The only reason they explore other conferences is if this door is closed, IMO- like everyone else.

Lets play Flightaware!

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N913MK

(That Gulfstream jet is going from Clemson to Dallas)

Cessna jet, Roanoke to Dallas, about the same time

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N165JB

LOL.

Regards,

SEC

ROFL

http://www.theclemsonforum.com/theking/cufsuwalk.gif

LOL, that's great

Yup, this is all about TV sets and they don't need more TVs in Florida and South Carolina,

Will do. I'd give it much better odds than the Big Texahoma catching the SEC as Supreme Conference.

I'd hate to be a Miami fan right now, because this is coming at a very bad time for them. Miami is about to get nuked worse than USC, and the NCAA laid a really harsh penalty on the Trojans. Their brand might make them irresistable, and it might be worth it to hope they can rebuild from the ashes, but if the ACC falls apart I wouldn't be surprised if everyone views them as too toxic to take in right now.

I don't think they will get hit that bad. Less than USC

I think their years of mediocrity hurts more than possible sanctions from the NCAA.

Haha. Loser.

While I disagree with your opinion, I will fight to the death for your ability to express it.

More & more smoke rising it seems.

The president of FSU's email is auto-replying today with a big long argument against leaving the ACC and joining the Big 12. Most of his retort is laughably stupid, and ends with a plea for academics and how the faculty is adamantly opposed and resents the athletic department getting all this attention, etc.

If the FSU BOT decides that they want to leave the ACC, then either the president is fighting the good fight just so when the BOT forces him to surrender, he can tell his faculty he tried, or the BOT will have to can his ass.

My reasoning I think is sound. USC tried to cover up their issue at first and then were defiant in the face of the NCAA. Miami took the exact opposite approach and had full disclousure of what they knew. They are the ones that imposed the suspensions on their own players and had a self imposed bowl ban last year.

That is not to mention the inaccuracies of Shapairos statements and all of the stuff that has already proven to be lies.

I think they get maybe one more year bowl ban, no chance at conf champ game for a year and reduction in scholarships. It will not be this nuking or death penalty that so many want it to be.

The SEC publically says they don't want to expand to states they already are in but I think they would make the expecpation for Florida State. Locking down Florida as SEC country and FSU is a national brand as well.

Florida State isn't coming to the SEC. They seem determined to remain in the same conference as Miami and no way in hell are the Hurricanes getting an invite.

Andy Staples (SI) has a pretty good column that just came out. Basically says that while Haggard got a few details wrong, big picture he's essentially right. Also says that whatever the FSU president may want, the boosters have been stampeded and this train out of the ACC might not be stoppable.

Now that FSU-to-Big 12 seed is planted, realignment may grow

Where are the realignment fools who used to bitch about travel time for various schools? The same fools who used this argument time and again for the ridiculousness of Mizzou (thankfully and rightfully) leaving for the SEC...

The SEC already has Florida locked down. The unaffiliated fans aren't going to suddenly become Big XII fans.

It was never a good argument, but it was at least somewhat applicable to Mizzou because you could drive a bus to many places.

FSU already has to fly a plane almost everywhere in the ACC, so the travel argument is really stupid for them.

i imagine this is a repost but i'm not sifting through all the shit to find it.


FSU president: "Any decision made will be reasoned and thoughtful"
By Brett McMurphy | College Football Insider

AMELIA ISLAND, Fla. -- With Florida State Board of Trustees chairman Andy Haggard and FSU coach Jimbo Fisher commenting on the Seminoles' interest in moving to the Big 12, FSU President Eric Barron released a prepared statement Monday.

Ironically Barron's statement was issued on the opening day of the ACC's spring meetings in Amelia Island.

Barron's statement said that "any decision made about FSU athletics will be reasoned and thoughtful and based on athletics, finances and academics."

Here is Barron's complete statement:

"I want to assure you that any decision made about FSU athletics will be reasoned and thoughtful and based on athletics, finances and academics. Allow me to provide you with some of the issues we are facing:

In support of a move are four basic factors argued by many alumni:

1. The ACC is more basketball than it is football, and many of our alumni view us as more football oriented than the ACC
2. The ACC is too North Carolina centric and the contract advantages basketball and hence advantages the North Carolina schools
3. The Big 12 has some big football schools that match up with FSU
4. The Big 12 contract (which actually isn't signed yet) is rumored to be $2.9M more per year than the ACC contract. We need this money to be competitive.

But, in contrast:

1. The information presented about the ACC contract that initiated the blogosphere discussion was not correct. The ACC is an equal share conference and this applies to football and to basketball * there is no preferential treatment of any university with the exception of 3rd tier rights for women's basketball and Olympic sports. FSU is advantaged by that aspect of the contract over the majority of other ACC schools.

2. Colorado, Missouri, Nebraska and Texas A&M left the Big 12, at least in part because the Big 12 is not an equal share conference. Texas has considerably more resource avenues and gains a larger share (and I say this as a former dean of the University of Texas at Austin - I watched the Big 12 disintegration with interest). So, when fans realize that Texas would get more dollars than FSU, always having a competitive advantage, it would be interesting to see the fan reaction.

3. Much is being made of the extra $2.9M that the Big 12 contract (which hasn't been inked yet) gets over the ACC contract. Given that the Texas schools are expected to play each other (the Big 12 is at least as Texas centered than the ACC is North Carolina centered), the most likely scenario has FSU playing Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, and West Virginia on a recurring basis and the other teams sporadically (and one more unnamed team has to join to allow the Big 12 to regain a championship game), we realize that our sports teams can no longer travel by bus to most games the estimate is that the travel by plane required by FSU to be in the Big 12 appears to exceed the $2.9M difference in the contract *actually giving us fewer dollars than we have now to be competitive with the Big 12 teams, who obviously do not have to travel as far. Any renegotiated amount depends not just on FSU but the caliber of any other new team to the Big 12.

4. Few believe that the above teams will fill our stadium with fans of these teams and so our lack of sales and ticket revenue would continue

5. We would lose the rivalry with University of Miami that does fill our stadium

6. It will cost between $20M and $25M to leave the ACC * we have no idea where that money would come from. It would have to come from the Boosters which currently are unable to support our current University athletic budget, hence the 2% cut in that budget.

7. The faculty are adamantly opposed to joining a league that is academically weaker * and in fact, many of them resent the fact that a 2% ($2.4M) deficit in the athletics budget receives so much attention from concerned Seminoles, but the loss of 25% of the academic budget (105M) gets none when it is the most critical concern of this University in terms
of its successful future.

I present these issues to you so that you realize that this is not so simple (not to mention that negotiations aren't even taking place). One of the few wise comments made in the blogosphere is that no one negotiates their future in the media. We can't afford to have conference affiliation be governed by emotion * it has to be based on a careful assessment of
athletics, finances and academics. I assure you that every aspect of conference affiliation will be looked at by this institution, but it must be a reasoned decision.

Eric Barron
President"

Here's my reply to FSU:

1. Despite giving all 3 tiers to ESPN you still only come out with 17MM/yr. Compare that to 20MM/yr, without a CCG, and retaining tier 3 rights. Almost every school can get at least a couple million. You may be an equal share-conference, but you are sharing a pitifully small pie.

2. We are going to have a 13-year GOR. No one else is going anywhere. Tiers 1 and 2, which are the important tiers, are shared equally. By unequal share, he's only talking about T3. You might not match the Longhorn network, but you'll make more than you are now. You sure as hell aren't coming anywhere close to matching any of the SEC schools surrounding you in the ACC. If you stay, you'll descend into athletic irrelevance.

3. It won't be 2.9MM if FSU and another good football school joins. Those two will, at worst, goose the Big 12's contract enough to increase the value by another 2-3MM, and the CCG will be worth at least another 2MM. That is now a 7MM difference, and with FSU's ability to sell their tier 3 content, it would approach a 10MM difference, allowing FSU to be somewhere in the neighborhood of the SEC schools they compete with. Regarding travel costs, first I do not believe that you'll have to pay more than 3MM extra than you have to pay now, given that you are so far away from so many ACC schools now. Period, I flat-out don't believe it. Even if its true, the Big 12 could reimburse travel expenses to make everyone whole before splitting whats left.

Also regarding travel, if you are in a plane, another couple hundred miles don't matter. I really doubt that FSU's olympic teams are driving 700-800 miles up the coast. If you are, I guess that may be a valid point, but if you are going to fly to Virginia, it wont be much different than flying to Kansas. Planes don't have taxi cab fare meters that roll by the mile, the extra mileage will add more fuel costs, etc, but once you are going wheels up anyway, you've already paid a lot to take the plane the added miles don't mean much.

4. You aren't supposed to rely on rivals to fill your stadium, we sure as hell don't rely on them in the Big 12. FSU fans are supposed to fill the stadium, but it is difficult to do that when you roll out that laughably pathetic home schedule you've got for next season.

5. Why? The Big 12 will probably go to 8 OOC games. You wanna schedule them? Fine, go for it.

6. 2 things, first of all the Big 12 would probably help. They did give their newest 2 members an interest-free loan, which you blatantly ignored. Second, its hard for boosters to support a top-flight athletic program with such a terrible TV contract.

7. Every state is cutting university support, even in the Big 12. The difference is that most Big 12 athletic departments are self-sufficient, while you still have to rely on the FL government for help. The FSU athletic department can become self-sufficient in a conference that isn't stuck with a TV contract that is such a joke. As for "academically weaker", this is something that is seen as important by university faculty and no one else. It is some sort of weird inside-baseball ego-boost within academia, that no one outside of cares about, to brag about the academics of your conference. Here in the real world, the only conference that matters is ivy. If you are an ivy-leaguer, that means something. Employers don't care, at all, if you came from an ACC school, and you don't have a CIC like the Big 10. Being a member of the ACC does not help your academic budget, so the "loss of 25%" is not relevant here.

"In short, plz call me Slive"

Take it for what its worth (with lots of grains of salt), but on the Chris Meadows show on ESPN 102.3, they apparently had several guests to talk realignment. According to posters on the WVU message board they said:

FSU President Barron is reluctant to pull the trigger on the move but the Board of Trustees is going to force him. His job security is at risk.

A FSU booster has agreed to cover whatever is left of the ACC buyout after the Big 12 helps out.

FSU will likely move first with Clemson to follow.

Georgia Tech was originally not open to moving but has recently began to talk to the Big 12.

All ACC schools with football championship aspirations are worried.

FSU has made demands of the ACC that the ACC can't possibly agree to thus clearing the way for FSU to leave.

Doug Gottlieb on ESPN radio, demonstrating how (mockingly, while laughing) being in the ACC helps the student.

That's how Gottlieb does everything.

and yet their budget is short 2.9 million. Sure thing.

The WVU board is the most laughingly wrong board on the planet. Dozens of posters had it on unassailable authority that WVU, not Mizzou would be headed to the SEC. If they are correct about any of this, it's by random chance rather than any kind of inside info.

Ugh... You just had to ask for ArrowROYrunn75son, huh? Actually, it would be kind of fun to go back and see how many wrong turns were made in the first two threads. Some of it was hilarious.

I remember "Texas will go independent".

"If Missouri leaves, the Big XII will dissolve."

The board wasn't the original source, the radio show was. I was not listening to that radio show.

The conference will crumble in 3 years when LHN succeeds, er, uh, fails.

alnorth everytime you post doesn't have to be paragraphs long of bullshit.

Probably be a proverbial walk of shame for many. Perhaps myself included.

That said, I'll be willing to proclaim the Big XII stable when it doesn't have to worry so much about making it difficult for teams to leave. If we end up going to "super conferences," this will likely be the case. No need to shackle down institutions; there won't be anywhere else they could or would want to go.

alnorth and holyhandgernade should collaborate on a really ****ing terrible novel on conference realignment.

Careful dude will put you on ignore the second you bruise his vagina.

I find it hilarious when they try to slip a snippet of basketball conversation in their huge blocks of shit garbage text, like anyone cares

Why are the Mizzou posters hating on this move. They aren't even in the conference anymore.



Don't worry about what your Ex-Boyfriend is doing. Just move on with your life.

Alnorth is a chump.

Hate, venom

What posters are hating on this move? And the KU AD already said that his institution was the estranged wife, so you might want to edit the gender reference.

ROFL

Our only hope of him seeing this is if someone he doesn't have blocked (which is like 3 people) quotes it.

Fail. al is great.

At writing long sentences of bullshit?

Not all of you guys are, but there is still some hate going around.


You guys basically married the super-model millionaire, so why are some still bitching about their old girlfriend that didn't know how to cook and had average looks?

Probably for the same reason other Big XII fans continue to bring up how moving to da Es Eh Seez is all bad ya reckon? Lets not pretend we don't know the obvious now.

Not really.. he blasted me for 2 years about Luke Hochevar being useless.... I was right from the beginning.

lol, their whole state is getting trolled.

http://media.lawrence.com/img/photos...167d6870b19a92

Seeing as how he's a complete vagina, that's not hard to do.

Wow, there's actually a real bird on there, not just a cartoon chicken.

That might be the dumbest thing outside of said chicken I've ever seen.

Our alumni association does it for many states. Missouri is the latest to consider the customized plates.

It's really not a big deal but kinda funny.

This. Why would a conference that is worth a damn need exit fees?

Doesn't really matter. The Big 12 schools have such an enormous media deal now that only schools that can't succeed would want to leave.

Imagine not being able to collect your own third tier? lol,.....how un-American

I discussed this elsewhere and it was brought to my attention that the PAC has done it and the Big 1 has done it for a long time. Take it for what its worth.

But has anyone left either of those conferences?

No, but a GOR would have prevented that if they indeed did do it.

Based on illiteracy figures in SEC states, I'm guessing it made the contracts too difficult to read.

Yeah, there is nothing more "American" than trying to hold together a ****hole conference by financially penalizing those who wish to leave.

It's a contract. If you enter into an agreement with someone respectable people honor those agreements.

People with no class or loyalty don't. It's pretty cut and dry.

haha what

You can troll better than that Wickedson.