Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10389195)

Good thoughts/breakdown of Lily.

She's never been an extremely likeable character. Part of that is because Lily and Robin and Marshall and Ted are examples of flipped gender roles.

Lily and Robin display a lot of traits usually reserved for the male gender role (me-first, find themself before committing, career-first, life-experience first, not wanting kids, logical rather than emotional, and probably a few that aren't springing to mind, sexual empowerment, sexual curiosity).

Meanwhile, in Ted and Marshall, you see two really sweet, nice guys that are relationship-first, family first, romantic, emotional).

The Ted-Robin relationship doesn't work because they're in different places or because she isn't The One. It doesn't work because Ted is too sensitive/progressive for Robin, and not (traditionally) manly enough.

One other thing I was thinking about after this week's role: They've done a lot in the last season and a half to break down some of the Barney Stinson facade. First, the settling down/falling in love with Robin. In the past episode, him admitting that he was broken inside and his behavior reflected that, and also his reveal that his entire job was an elaborate long con designed to get revenge on the guy who stole his girlfriend...

Not sure how I feel about that. Is Barney better off being humanized and brought back to earth, as they've recently done? Or is he better as a ridiculous caricature?

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10389392)

I think a large part of the problem is that the show should've only ran for 6-7 seasons max. I don't really believe they intended it to go 8. I think you see the cracks in the narrative once you realize that the whole point of Nick and Quinn/Karma in Season 8 were to extend the same plot points brought on by Kevin and Nora from seasons 6 and 7 for Robin and Barney respectively.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 10389089)

It's basically the Jim-Pam fight during Season 9 of The Office, but instead of a fifteen episode arc leading up to the fight, they decided to condense it down to one episode.

Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn (Post 10389686)

Plus IF they did, the time traveler episode from last season would become profound. It would end up being one of the cornerstone episodes of the series instead of the uncomfortable fart noise that it is.

Originally Posted by ragedogg69 (Post 10390040)

I stopped watching the office by then. What was the fight about?

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10389008)

True, his judgeship acceptance was contrived to the point where a Redditor noted he took the time to ask if he could video conference, use a giant Jor-El head to officiate, et cetera et cetera but not take the time to make a phone call to Lily to talk about it. But at the same time you have to accept the notion that if he were offered the spot on the bench after such a short time of applying for it, he'd have to take the position.

That being said, the way Lily's actions have been written have opened her up to such hate. While she isn't a bitch per se, she's been made out to be pretty self-centered a lot of the time.

1) Going to San Francisco to find herself and get her art career started: I'll defend this one because at least it's a defensible thing for any person, female or male, to pursue. I'd think that if the writer's so chose, they could have made her career successful instead of not and have her brought back to NYC for Season 2 but postponed her and Marshall's rejoining to build up some tension.

But they didn't, so she came back when Barney flew out to SF to convince her to return because of how bad Marshall was.. even though he was just starting to look like he was moving on when he dated the girl at the coffee shop (Morena Baccarin) which brings me to my next point..

2) Lily broke into the apartment and stalked the coffee shop girl. If you flip the genders on these characters and this looks a hell of a lot creepier. Gender dynamics aside, Lily put the kibosh on him moving on to date someone else. That was part of her reason for going to SF: to find herself out of Marshall. Why can't he do the same?

3) Finally, why I really think Lily deserves to be taken down a peg, is the arc with Marshall working for Barney's bank. He took the job in large part to Lily's monstrous credit card debt, which is fine. However, when Marshall considered staying at said job, Lily attacked him for it because it didn't jive with her idea that Marshall would work as an environmentalist lawyer which is what he had planned up to that point. The ****? So you're fine with him paying off the thousands of dollars racked up in purchases (when she actually does purchase something, remember she does have deft hands when it comes to stealing) but not fine with how he's getting the money? Nuh-uh.

Originally Posted by ragedogg69 (Post 10390040)

I stopped watching the office by then. What was the fight about?

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10389008)

True, his judgeship acceptance was contrived to the point where a Redditor noted he took the time to ask if he could video conference, use a giant Jor-El head to officiate, et cetera et cetera but not take the time to make a phone call to Lily to talk about it. But at the same time you have to accept the notion that if he were offered the spot on the bench after such a short time of applying for it, he'd have to take the position.

Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 10390466)

It just seems to me that someone his age with his relatively short career as a lawyer would never be offered a judgeship, especially in NYC where there are likely hundreds, maybe thousands, of far more qualified lawyers. Seems really far-fetched.

Originally Posted by big nasty kcnut (Post 10390499)

What if it ted that dying not the mother?

Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 10390443)

In the first episode of the ninth season, Jim helped launch a start-up company (a sports agency) based in Philadelphia without fully conveying the level of this commitment to Pam. Eventually, he had to start working part time in Philadelphia but did not give Pam a true idea of how involved he would have to be with that company.

Episode 12 culminated in a huge fight between Jim and Pam while Jim was in Philadelphia (both John Krasinski and Jenna Fischer were lauded for their performances here) and through the remainder of Season 9 they focused on rekindling their relationship (while many assumed (correctly) that they would wind up back together, the relationship was quite calamitous for a while).

Overall, Season 9 of The Office vastly exceeded my expectations leading into the season. It had some low moments/episodes, but the last three episodes (especially the finale) are definitely worth a watch if you have not seen them already.

Originally Posted by ragedogg69 (Post 10390044)

this one?

http://how-i-met-your-mother.wikia.c...Time_Travelers