unhappy and dead

The Rebellion and Resistance is gone. 20 people, minus Princess Leia can’t destroy the First Order. Even their allies in the Outer Rim abandoned them.

What’s the point?

How answer why does Yoda appear to be in the flesh, then use
Force powers to destroy the tree and the Journal of the Whills, then I guess, disappear into the Force again?

Out of all the dumb sequences, that might have been the worst

Laura Dern's character (I forget her name) could said to Poe; "Look we're heading to an old Rebel base. We want to get close enough so we can cloak the transport ships. Just stay cool and we'll get through this.". But no, she went all cryptic and quiet about the plan.

And Rey's parents being nobodies?!?! That's either lazy writing or ballsy as all crap. And both sides of that argument are right.

Yoda's force ghost, nice fan treatment but is there some sort of rules for force ghosts? Can they appear at will or only when the plot demands exposition?

I did not like Yoda appearing. I felt his humor was forced and he was cryptic and no explanation. The benicio del torro charcater just was outta there after he made his deal. Absolutely pointless other than to get them on the ship to fail. I don't like the ark of kylo. I ultimately like where they got him to but not how they got him there. I feel they are setting him up to be more Vader. With his list for power and ruling. I feel that was the ultimate goal of this film was to make kylo more Vader but don't like how they did it. Killing snoke was pointless. I dunno just bad overall in my eyes

With Fishers death they should've killed her off when the control room was destroyed instead of surviving 0 Kelvin in space.

The Ben and Rey's Force connection wasn't ever explained.

Of course Rey went Super Sayian meaning out she mastered the force out of nowhere.

Lastly, Johnson made Luke a weak minded bitch and not showing his full mastery of the Force outside of one scene

Snoke said that he connected them through The Force.

And if he was so powerful, why didn't he sense that Kylo was going to kill him?

I swear, these Star Wars villains get dumber with each outing.

Good to see that her character development begins and ends with "That tall badass chick from Game of Thrones in a shiny storm trooper suit" and nothing else.

Snoke unable to foresee Ben's true intentions and being unable to stop the force push of the lightsaber was bullshit. I truly thought Snoke was going to regenerate his lower half of his body , and pummel Ben and Rey and carbonite their asses.

the opening dialogue between Poe and Hux

It seemed like a callback to the Han Solo riff in ROTJ,when he was flying the stolen Imperial shuttle, in an attempt to land on Endor.

But yeah, what a silly way to open the film.

Both she and Snoke were reduced to purely incidental side characters.

What a waste of an opportunity.

The Yoda bit brought back memories of Ramirez in Highland 2, another completely wasted and terrible movie.

I mean, if Yoda can just reappear in the flesh and actually use Force Powers in the real world, why didn't he stop Kylo Ren or Snoke or help Luke train the new Jedi?

Also, were are Anakin and Obi Wan? They were Force Ghosts.

It just makes zero sense.

Can anyone name for me a positive male role model in this that does not need to be helped by a female? The Disney reference here is Princesses having the power.

I mean lets go...Finn was about to get in an escape pod and get the hell out of dodge but is put on the right path by Rose. Also is saved later when he was going to stop the big weapon by Rose.

Poe is the hot shot gunner who get slapped and demoted by Leia and gets talked to about leaderships skills by Leia. He also is put in Check by Admiral Holdo or whatever her name is.

Luke?? He wants to die on a Planet and is coerced to come out by Rey and the Hologram of Leia from New Hope.

Lets flip the script a bit. Can you name any female that is a bad character in this film? Phasma Doesn't count since you don't see her out of the full armor.

Strong Female characters are good but just like the force there needs to be Balance. Such as why not Keep Admiral Akbar around to do the suicide shot into the Devastator? People know Akbar from ROTJ and the Comics. His death was wasted and this would have had more meaning and have some feeling to it. Who the hell is Admiral Holdo anyway besides a Friend of Leia's??

Other stupid crap: Why should I even give a crap about Snoke? No explanation. How did he target Ben? what was his motivations or what is he doing??? Oh who cares lets kill him off. Maybe I will have to read some stupid book to get an update on that.

Phasma was built up and is a waste.

Lukes death was I think a waste but I have heard some people drawing a comparison to Obi wan and Yoda stating that they accomplished their mission and could die in peace. Not sure I believe that but ok whatever.

Rey's Parentage. Really, she is a nobody? ok well thanks for the build up and the "secrecy" behind it. Who cares?? Maybe this will be fixed in Episode 9 where we find out Ben was lying or something.

I guess Episode IX is for those of us who didn't want the series to just end with the heroes of the original trilogy unhappy and dead. The film didn't wrap up a victor of the conflict. The First Order was not defeated and the resistance remains - hence the need for an Episode IX.

"Rebellions are built on hope" Did you learn nothing from Rogue One? :) The First Order in the span of a few months has lost their planet destroyer, their dreadnaught, their Supreme Leader barge (or whatever you call that thing) along with their Supreme Leader himself. The resistance still has their leader Leia (at least in the Star Wars universe she is still alive), and they have an up-and-comer Jedi who has already gone toe-to-toe with the new supreme leader TWICE and come out ahead. More than enough there to plant seads of hope across the galaxy and rally more support.

Would I have liked to see some "outter rim folk" rally to the cause at the end - sure. Was it required? No not necessarily - seems like Rian was really trying to bring a bit of reality to this movie with a constant theme of ("this is not going to go how you think"). In that sense, was it more realistic that no one showed up, on a moments notice, to leap into battle and face down the first order in a desperate attempt to save the resistance? Probably. Courage sometimes take time to gather and is often found when it seems that there is no one left to do it for you.

(pretty much hated the whole "vegas-y" sub plot)

Leia floating in space and Yoda's appearance, which makes zero sense

Luke looking over the Ach-To ocean, before hitting the credits. There was no reason for him to disappear into the Force.

I LOVED IT. It was everything The Force Awakens wasn't.

Everything I was going over in my head that could come off as a rip off of ESB didn't happen in this ****ing movie. A hamfisted I am your *relative* scene? Someone getting captured or frozen in carbonite? That goofy bullshit about Snoke being a force vampire? NONE OF IT HAPPENED.

This was even better than Rogue One. It was just FILLED with pure moments of Star Wars joy and emotion.

Leia using the force in a way that didn't come off as goofy, but was instead graceful and a nod to Carrie Fisher IRL? YES.

Luke talking to R2-D2 like it was 1980 again? YES.

YODA looking and ACTING like a CG version of the puppet from ESB? Lecturing Luke one last time? Frank Oz perfectly delivering lines like he stepped out of a time machine? HOLY **** I CRIED. HE HIT HIM WITH A GHOSTLY GIMER STICK. LMAO

The Falcon showing up to save the ****ing day, and then burrowing through Crait's caverns WHILE THE ****ING MUSIC FROM RETURN OF THE JEDI PLAYED? NERD BONER.

BB-8 PILOTING AN AT-ST WALKER AND ****ING SHIT UP? LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO

LUKE DRINKING GREEN MILK? LMAO

And the climax....my god...the climax. Handled perfectly. I was feeling bummed when I heard the rumors of Luke's death, but it didn't come the way I thought it would at all. I thought he was going to show up and take out Snoke at the end, sacrificing himself in the process. This was perfect, right down to him staring into twin suns as he becomes one with the force. Totally punking that little bitch Kylo on his way out.

I was sad, and yet really happy, because Luke Skywalker was just handled so perfectly in this movie.

And Rey. Really worried when I saw that shot of her with Kylo's saber in the trailer that she was going to be way too overpowered in this. But they handled her character progression and conflict about what to do perfectly. I actually thought she was going to turn in this movie, but it would have been completely unbelievable. They really wrote her well in this movie.

I ****ing loved it.

Don't **** this up in IX, JJ.

The Force is with us.

i still dont get what happened with Luke....can someone explain? So ne was using the force to transport his out of body self to battle Kylo Ren....but then he dies at the end? I guess im lost as to what happened with him at the end.

And fwiw, i thjng kylk ren is a very huge pussy, very Hayden Christensen immature beta like,
Wish he was more of a hardass.

I thought they nailed Yoda.

I couldn't see it in the theater last night. I'll look for it tomorrow.

Having Yoda in the movie would have been fine, had he not been able to use Force Lightening to destroy the tree. That makes zero sense.

So the Leia floating in space thing was a WTF moment for me as well. Then I realized that I didn't really know what happens if you get sucked out into the vacuum of space that I haven't learned from cheap sci-fi movies so I googled it and read this:

"It's a recurring horror in sci-fi: the hull is pierced, a human is trapped without equipment in an airlock about to open, a door needs to be opened in order to expel something undesirable. With no air and almost zero pressure, the human body isn't going to last long without some form of protection.

But what does happen, exactly? Do your eyes explode outward while your blood evaporates? Well, no. The truth is both less dramatic and far more fascinating -- as we have discovered through accidents in space and in test chambers, and animal experimentation in the 1960s.

The first thing you would notice is the lack of air. You wouldn't lose consciousness straight away; it might take up to 15 seconds as your body uses up the remaining oxygen reserves from your bloodstream, and -- if you don't hold your breath -- you could perhaps survive for as long as two minutes without permanent injury.

So now that I know it isn't impossible to survive the elements of space without a suit the only leap I'm asked to make is that Leia was somehow able to force push herself back to the ship. As the daughter of the most powerful Jedi the star wars universe has ever known, who has lived with the knowledge that she has those abilities for the last 30 years - it's not that gigantic a leap to make that she might have been able to learn how to do this small thing. You see the little boy at the end move the broom without any training whatsoever and he's only what 5 or 6? Leia's in the vacuum of space without even gravity to thwart her, a simple nudge would be all she'd need to get her momentum going. When you get past the initial WTF? It's really not that big of a stretch. IMO.

I took it as Yoda being "one with the force" and having minor control over the weather. That wasn't force lightning.

Not that much of a stretch. Served the scene well.

I mean, Obi-Wan could sit on a log...

But this is why you have to kill the old heroes. You can only have so many characters in a movie and do them all justice. That's why Luke had to die in this one. You can't have him saving the day in Episode IX. He'll show up as a ghost, drop some knowledge and that's plenty

Poe is very clearly going to be the "Leia" character in Episode IX, and she'll probably die at the beginning.

Chewie cooking a porg and then fighting off the horrified porgs who don't want him to eat it and then finally deciding not to...pure ****ing genius. I loved Chewie in this movie.

I really enjoyed the humor. Luke chucking the lightsaber, messing with Rey in the reach out/what is the force scene, Hux being a punk and getting punked by Ren.

I hope they don't come out in IX and say Rey is Kenobi or a Windu or whatever.
This felt like the second half of TFA, and I dig that. I think IX will take place sometime after TLJ, maybe years later. Resistance and First Order are more equal, I bet. This felt like Mad Max: Fury Road in some ways; long chase film.

I thought it was a very, very cool way to introduce a new force power and one that only a wise old Jedi Master would be able to pull off, obviously. At great cost to himself.

I was actually expecting him to raise his X-Wing from the water and fly off, which would have been cool, but a little unoriginal. I did expect him to show up in his X-Wing at Crait, though, which would have been a HUGE crowd pleaser. Luke in his X-Wing and Chewie in the Falcon bitchslapping TIEs? omg.

To that end, I was kinda sad R2-D2 had almost nothing to do in this movie but say hi to Luke, but I guess it's BB-8's show now.

I actually really liked the deal with Rey's parents. JJ may flip-flop it around in the next one though, but for me, it was refreshing and unexpected. And they way driver delivered that line was perfect. The whole movie was about things "not going the way you expect". This was true for Rey too as her whole life she'd been waiting for her family to return when the reality was far different. It was a gut punch and it was delivered perfectly.

1. Seeing Ewan McGregor as a force ghost would be a bit jarring, not to mention expensive.

2. Hayden Christensen is AIDs.

Yoda is a far more palatable option.

I think Luke just exerted himself so much projecting himself like that, that the exertion killed him. That was my take on it anyway.

As for Ren, I've heard this opinion a lot, and I whole-heartedly disagree with it. I think this is the way Hayden needed to play/portray Vadar. His temper is uncontrollable, slashing shit up all the time and force grabbing people from across the room. My least favorite scene in all of star wars is when hayden has his temper tantrum with Amidala and he throws a little cup across the room. You're darth f-ing vadar man, that shit was weak.

I think he HAD to kill Snoke to set himself up as a real villain. And it worked. He's a much less annoying character in this movie. Now he feels like a REAL villain, and what he did to Hux only drove it home.

He's going to be ****ing pissed off in IX and force-nuking people left and right.

By the end I'm guessing he destroys the First Order out of pure guilt. He's going to be a tragic hero. Just like his grandpappy. :D