This isn't New York. There's only 1 team here.

I talk to casual fans every day, face to face and in other venues outside of this forum.

They are 10-to-1 in favor of getting Alex Smith and "that tackle everybody likes".

Fair enough...

Maybe you should reconsider the people you talk to then because it's the exact opposite for me. While they may not know exactly what QB they want to get, the people I talk to know that Albert is a good LT and we need a QB more than anything else.

The point isn't about teams . Its about two different opinions and that hearing one more than another on the radio isn't evidence of an actual majority. Now I should point out it doesn't disprove your theory of how many like the joeckel option. I don't have enough connection with the fan base to know. I'm just pointing out that I don't think u can use callers on radio as a poll.

I actually ran into a 49ers fan who agreed with everything we're saying. He asked me if I wanted Alex Smith. I jokingly asked him if Jim Harbaugh came with him.....and he laughed and said no. He wanted to know who I wanted at #1 and I told him Geno Smith. He said in his opinion.....he'll have a better overall career than RGIII.

No, I'm not.

But saying the majority are afraid to draft a QB 1 overall is not true at all.

Most of our fanbase isn't even able to argue beyond 5 names come draft day...

LOL

Better CAREER dipshit.

He doesn't think that he'll stay healthy every season.

I repeat.

Is he worried about Kappy's health over the course of his career?

And yes, I understand that RGIII and Kappy have completely different builds.

He's worried a little bit. He was talking more about RG3's size and the fact that he's reckless when he runs a lot of the time. He said that he gives him credit for not running out of bounds all the time or sliding 5 yards before a defender gets close to him....but being so reckless is going to shorten his career.

Arizona Cardinals GM Steve Keim believes it is "a little bit of a cop-out" to say the 2013 QB class is thin.


"Everybody likes to say it’s not as deep at certain positions, but I think if you have confidence in your system, you’re always able to find certain players at certain points in the draft who are value picks," Keim says. The Cardinals hold the seventh pick in the draft and might be considering one of the top quarterback names in this class.

Yeah, Cardinals are taking a QB.

You hear that, tradedown tards? Cardinals want a QB. So do the Bills.

The QBs will be gone if you don't wise up. There's no such thing as appropriate "value" whatever the **** that means when it comes to the QB position. A QB is ALWAYS worth the pick no matter how you feel about him (within reason, that is.)

If you're saying Geno, Wilson, or Barkley are not within reason, you're stupid and can't be helped. Sorry. Go watch Sporting KC or something.

The contract alone is why we should take a QB #1 overall.

Contract! True fans love to save money on important solutions. If this doesn't bring them into the fold, nothing will.

$22 million over 4-5 years......and the dude can't hold out for a new contract throughout the entire thing.

Got to get the value. That's all that matters.

The tide is beginning to turn. Wait another month, everyone will have us taking a QB.

Yup..it's a matter of time. I remember AJ Green and Patrick Peterson were the most common projected to the panthers in 2011 up until the combine

Benjamin Allbright‏@NFLDraftMonster

How the hell is the guy who called Geno & Wilson "4th rnd/non franchise guys" now calling them top picks & getting media appearances for it?


Benjamin Allbright‏@NFLDraftMonster

Boggles my mind how badly this guy just makes things up, or directly rips off others' work, and radio and newspaper guys give him print/air


Benjamin Allbright‏@NFLDraftMonster

Let me put this in easy to understand terms: Shawn Zobel, you're a ****ing fraud

Like.....BOOM.

Benjamin Allbright‏@NFLDraftMonster

How you have a QB with a 4th rnd grade off 4 yrs of tape, & move him to "top pick" after seeing 1 workout vs air at the IMG academy? #Zobel

Wasn't it Zoebel that said Geno was overthrowing receivers that were standing still..at img?

Yep

Zobel is an idiot who has zero credibility. Yet we keep having him on our radio stations. Don't understand.

i want zobel to get ****ed by a tyrannosaurus rex, followed by a brontosaurus

Matt Miller‏@nfldraftscout

The only people who think the #Chiefs have to draft a QB are Chiefs fans. Consensus among NFL people is that Joeckel will be the pick.

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Really starting to hate this Matt Miller douche

I prefer that hissing dinosaur from Jurassic Park that spits shit in people's faces, blinds them, then eats their guts

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Ask the dumbass what the concensus will be once Albert is resigned to play LT.

Matt Miller isn't helping himself at all either. He was a guy that loved Geno up until about a month ago. Then suddenly changed his mind and said "Opinions change".

I've asked him this before. He says " trade down at all cost".

When KC selects a QB with 1st overall pick then that ****er will never live it down with Chiefs fans

Yup got in a argument last year on twitter with Matt Miller over cassel. I was telling how much he sucks and he was all trying to tell me he is not as bad as chiefs fan make him out to be lol

Why do you suppose that is, Matt?

'Cause we're all a bunch of idiots?

Or because we've been watching this team closely for decades -- more closely than you or your NFL "consensus"?

Think carefully before answering.

Yeah I almost forgot Miller was a Cassel ball washer.... This tells me all I need to know about his QB evaluation skills. He and Zobel can eat cocks and die for all I care.

"Matt was the secondary and special teams coordinator for the three-time league champion Joplin Crusaders of the Central Football League. Matt is also a member of the Pro Football Writers of America."

Joplin Crusaders eh?

It's gonna be fun to be on Cp when the Chiefs re sign Albert, then go on and draft Star at 1.

What a worthless dipshit that guy is, he should stick to being a crusader.

Why do these ****ing idiots think that replacing one first round tackle with another first round tackle is how you get better?

You answered your own question.

Bryan Perez ‏@FirstRoundGrade

Watching film on Joeckel (again). Don't see what others do to grade him as #1 overall player. Arguably not even #1 tackle. Safe pick.

Yep and fans don't give revenue to the team AT ALL do they? GTFO Miller. If the stadium is empty then was Joker worth it?

I might have missed this...

But did we discuss this thread's favorite whipping boy, Matt Miller, saying on Twitter the other day that film study creates a clear separation between Geno and the other QBs in this draft class?

Hmm, where have we heard THAT refrain before (nudge DJ, SNR, htismaque, Saccoppo)...

:thumb:

Decastro was a safe pick as well. Awesome.

Matt Miller has such a hard on for Joeckel that he'll make any ludicrous argument to justify taking him.

Quick, name the last 5 LTs to win a SB!

Now, name the last 5 QBs...

This Jekyll shit is a got damned joke

1651 posts and I still haven't bitten on the trolls that were raging in this thread. I feel so proud of myself. I really wanted to.

There ISN'T a No. 1 overall player. So just draft the best goddamn QB and be done with it.

O City sleeper trolls from time to time. Be careful.

I troll the trolls. It's crazy fun.

Come on bro, trade secrets.

I'm taking The Bad Guys advice and just ignoring the ignorant. We're taking a Qb at 1, bank on it.

Also if anyone is interested Matt miller is making excuse after excuse for geno on twitter when a few other scouts are talking about it

Pretty interesting his takes. Something fishy about him having Joeckel rated so high.


Bryan Perez ‏@FirstRoundGrade
Fisher so far has highest grade at 8.8. I see Fisher with a higher ceiling. Joeckel has serious strength issues, fellas.
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15m Matt Miller Matt MillerVerified ‏@nfldraftscout
@FirstRoundGrade Just asking, are you watching 2011 and 2012?
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14m Bryan Perez Bryan Perez ‏@FirstRoundGrade
@nfldraftscout I am. Mostly 2012, but have reviewed some 2011.
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13m Matt Miller Matt MillerVerified ‏@nfldraftscout
@FirstRoundGrade Watch Joeckel vs SMU (Margus Hunt) if you can. I would be surprised if you still think he has strength issues.
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12m Thomas Melton Thomas Melton ‏@TMeltonScouting
@nfldraftscout @FirstRoundGrade Did you see him against Florida by any chance? Lerentee McCray beat him w/ strength/power multiple times.
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11m Bryan Perez Bryan Perez ‏@FirstRoundGrade
@TMeltonScouting @nfldraftscout I also noted it v. LSU. He got pushed around quite a bit.
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11m Matt Miller Matt MillerVerified ‏@nfldraftscout
@FirstRoundGrade @TMeltonScouting Getting pushed around is fine if you hold containment.
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10m Bryan Perez Bryan Perez ‏@FirstRoundGrade
@nfldraftscout @TMeltonScouting Right, but problem is projecting it to NFL. Pushed around in college COULD = big problems in NFL.
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9m Josh Liskiewitz Josh Liskiewitz ‏@JoshLiskiewitz
@FirstRoundGrade @nfldraftscout @TMeltonScouting I think he'll get away w/ it b/c of his athleticism - at least in pass pro.
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@JoshLiskiewitz @nfldraftscout @TMeltonScouting And, hey, not many guys are. But #1 talk for OT? I expect a bit more.
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7m Matt Miller Matt MillerVerified ‏@nfldraftscout
@FirstRoundGrade @JoshLiskiewitz @TMeltonScouting I just think people are being too picky. Looking at mechanics over results. Results win.
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3m Bryan Perez Bryan Perez ‏@FirstRoundGrade
@JoshLiskiewitz @TMeltonScouting @nfldraftscout I agree. It can be a bit much. Just play. BUT, when talking "#1 pick", man...I need more
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2m Josh Liskiewitz Josh Liskiewitz ‏@JoshLiskiewitz
@FirstRoundGrade @TMeltonScouting @nfldraftscout everyone has flaws this year - not every year we get Luck or RGIII, let alone both...
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@JoshLiskiewitz @FirstRoundGrade @TMeltonScouting Was just typing this.
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Bryan Perez Bryan Perez ‏@FirstRoundGrade
@nfldraftscout @JoshLiskiewitz @TMeltonScouting Couldn't agree more, Josh. I think it's imp to note that this yr.'s #1 IS a flawed player.

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11s Matt Miller Matt MillerVerified ‏@nfldraftscout

@FirstRoundGrade @JoshLiskiewitz @TMeltonScouting Even Luck had flaws, bad games, bad throws. You can't go into this expecting perfection

Such as?

He's scrambling. Even said Luck had flaws coming in. Basically saying those guys critiquing Joeckel so hard are being unfair because his mechanics were bad he got results and that's all that matters. Others guys saying he doesn't have near enough to be the first pick and that Fisher is actually a better LT.

Bryan Perez ‏@FirstRoundGrade

@nfldraftscout @JoshLiskiewitz @TMeltonScouting Absolutely. Not requiring perfection at all. Just requiring more than what Joeckel displays


Definitely an interesting convo.

Bryan Perez ‏@FirstRoundGrade

@TMeltonScouting @Ryan_Riddle @nfldraftscout @JoshLiskiewitz But if I'm taking OT at #1? I want scheme diverse, dominant player.

You mean Joeckel, right?

ROFL.

Ah, good old ****ers from BR getting beaten down with logic. Me gusta.

Ah yes, Joeckel, my fault.


Dude pretty much said picks 1-5 are the same this year with the talent level, and you can't say Joeckel is the clear 1 since he's no Ogden etc.

It's funny cause Miller is saying "you can't compare players across time and different talent levels etc" when he was the one to say Joeckel=Ogden.

Here is the whole conversation so far, if you guys wanna see it.


https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/st...36794768023554

I'd like to ask Miller, if the talent gap is so wide, as he said it was, between QB's and the LT's is as close as it is said to be with the top 3, why take a LT at 1 over a QB?

And logic says to way overdraft for a QB that nobody is high on...excepting of course, those who are high on way over-drafting..

There are actually quite a few people high on him....

Yes, lets overdraft a DT or OT because they touch the so often.

You have problems with your brain, good sir

FYP

Just remember guys, it is okay to reach in the draft.

Unless it's a QB for a team that desperately needs one. Then it isn't. /Matt "I love man-meat in my mouth" Miller.

It's funny how when we get in these arguments the pro-Geno opinions are somehow automatically less valid than the anti-Geno ones. It's like a religious discussion talking to these anti-Geno zealots, where they believe what they do out of some kind of faith, no amount of discussion or evidence is going to change their minds and we folks who think he could be a good pro QB are somehow heretics simply for disagreeing with what they believe.

The cult of anti-geno needs to drink some anti-freeze punch at their next meeting.

Miller has become my most hated person on Twitter. How can you write such complete bullshit and claim your some draft scout?

Joekel gets pushed around by stronger players and that's ok because he holds containment? That's unequivocal bullshit. He wants to cite the game against Magnus Hunt. The guy who has no technique and is raw as ****. The same Hunt who got his shit pushed in at the Senior Bowl?

Don't bother him with logic.

and reeruns get high because they can't face reality without something or other to keep them on the level.

I hope somebody calls up 180 tomorrow to call him out on his bullshit.