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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 12593652)

KC would have to get a pretty nice piece back to consider moving Dyson. He's cheap and high-value.

Crazy thought: Pair Dyson with a horrible contract you'd like to unload (cough, Soria, cough?).

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That'd be a yuge slap in the face to Dyson.

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 12596448)

@Ken_Rosenthal: Teams looking for closers include NYY, SF, LAD, WAS, MIA. Five clubs, three top FAs. Trade market for #Royals’ Wade Davis should be strong.

NYY?

Ummmm.....didn't they kind of trade....like all of their....like....closers....and stuff?

Like Idaho said, it would have to be a big ass piece to move Dyson. I love me some Wade Davis, but I could understand the move.

John Schuerholz was elected to the HOF today, him and Bud Selig. He'll be mostly associated with the Braves obviously, but still, he won a title as Royals GM.

Bud Selig got in, but Buck Oneil couldn't?

@JeffPassan: Source confirms Matt Holliday has a one-year, $13M deal with the Yankees. Great fit. @YankeesWFAN had it first.

If you're watching the relief pitching market...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rival clubs believe <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Marlins?src=hash">#Marlins</a> willing to offer Jansen five years, $80M and lose No. 14 pick in draft. Marlins say they’re still discussing.</p>— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/805631926207938560">December 5, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 12597237)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rival clubs believe <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Marlins?src=hash">#Marlins</a> willing to offer Jansen five years, $80M and lose No. 14 pick in draft. Marlins say they’re still discussing.</p>— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/805631926207938560">December 5, 2016</a></blockquote>
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That's a lot of money for a closer but the Dodgers have no business at all not meeting/exceeding that.

Clayton Kershaw isn't going to be superhuman forever and with his back woes, we may be seeing the very beginning of his decline. The Dodgers have no excuse at all to not do everything they can to put a champion on the field while Kershaw is at his apex.

Unless the Dodgers can get Chapman, they'd damn well better hold onto Jansen. They simply don't have a guy behind him that can do what he can do, especially in October. They have to look no further than their own division and the Giants to see how badly an ineffective closer can hamstring you.

The Dodgers had the money to set tens of millions ablaze on Kamir, McCarthy and Brett Anderson. They'd damn well better find the money to keep the best closer in the game (yes, I think he's better than Chapman).

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 12597237)

Won't this make Wade worthy of more pieces or quality in a return

Get out of here Nut ya Cardinals fan!

*** Official 2017 Royals Offseason Repository

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/k...y-duffy-120516
Ken Rosenthal:

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NATIONAL HARBOR, Md. — The logical move for the Royals would be to trade two of their potential free agents, center fielder Lorenzo Cain and closer Wade Davis. Jarrod Dyson could replace Cain, Kelvin Herrera could replace Davis, and the Royals still could be quite competitive in 2017.

But that isn’t the only possible solution. It can’t be the only possible solution. The Royals are in a bind that everyone saw coming, a bind they will need to address, if not at the winter meetings, then certainly between now and the non-waiver trade deadline on Aug. 1.

Four prominent Royals in addition to Cain and Davis are entering their free-agent years — first baseman Eric Hosmer, third baseman Mike Moustakas, shortstop Alcides Escobar and left-hander Danny Duffy.

The Royals, according to major-league sources, will be open-minded in trade discussions on all of those players — well, maybe not so much on Hosmer — as well as longer-term assets such as right-handers Yordano Ventura and Ian Kennedy. (Kennedy, if he opts out after next season and receives a $6 million buyout, would forfeit three guaranteed years worth $49 million.)

Budget is a problem — the Royals project a $148 million payroll for their 40-man roster, and believe their break-even point to be around $115 million to $120 million, sources say. Others surely would dispute the latter figures, but the Royals clearly believe that they need to take a step back.

General manager Dayton Moore already has said that the payroll likely would “regress a little bit” from last season, when the team opened at around $135 million. But this isn’t just cutting payroll. It’s also about trying to sustain success.

In theory, the Royals could carry all of their potential free agents through ‘17, make each a qualifying offer and collect draft picks following the first round for every one who signs a contract above $50 million — a new stipulation under the collective-bargaining agreement.

Realistically, a low-revenue team such as the Royals never would make qualifying offers to six players, not when the QO likely will be in the $18 million range next offseason. The Royals also might not want to direct their limited resources to six high picks, not when the alternative is acquiring prospects with professional track records in trades.

So, the best thing they can do is pick and choose this offseason, see how they fare in the first half, then pick and choose some more.

The trades of Cain and Davis could bring back talent that would help in ’17 and beyond while clearing payroll for other pursuits. The Royals then could reassess at the deadline and try to extend some of their potential free agents — Hosmer, Moustakas if he rebounds from an injury-marred season, maybe Escobar.

Of course, Hosmer and Moustakas are represented by Scott Boras, which only complicates matters. Boras prefers his clients to establish their values on the open market. It’s difficult to imagine the Royals outbidding high-revenue teams for Hosmer. Perhaps the only way they could keep him would be if he accepted far less — a lot to ask of a player who would be a free agent at 28.

The bottom line is this: The Royals’ 2018 roster would be almost barren if they lost most or all of their free agents and received only draft picks in return. The team’s TV deal expires after the ’19 season, so perhaps financial relief is coming. Regardless, the Royals will need players. They can re-sign some. They can trade some. The one thing they can’t do is sit still.

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Holliday for 1/$13 million
Now Pearce to the Jays for 2/$12.5 million

Two guys who would've fit nicely on the Royals at very reasonable prices.

Gentlemen, I don't think the Royals are interested in free agency. I think they are going to roll with what they got (have a rotating DH with Orlando/Colon/Cuthbert, no sure Ace, pray that Vargas can come back and have a decent year, and no serious upgrade to bullpen depth) and just hope they can make a decent run if the team stays healthy. After this year, they then will dump the high priced players and rebuild through the farm system, which unfortunately means there will be a solid 3-5 year stretch of less than stellar Royals teams.

Am I the only one here who wants to see the royals trade away a lot of our guys for young talent? I really don't see us making much noise this year except for maybe going .500. I'd rather get some young talent from the guys who won't be here after next season and let's load this back up.

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Originally Posted by thebrad84 (Post 12597768)

If true, that's a real shitty way to approach the final year(s?) of controlling the "core" of this team before they scatter in the wind to overblown contracts.

@JeffPassan: With closer FA market about to roar, one name is buzzing among executives: Wade Davis. He is available and may be likeliest Royal to move.