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htismaqe 02-22-2013 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 9425335)
My guess is that they were complimentary pieces. That successful, winning teams picked them because they already had a proven core.

Beat me to it.

OnTheWarpath15 02-22-2013 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 9425305)
The LBs surprise me. Mainly because the majority of those guys weren't really pass rushers.

Kind of a smaller sample size. I only counted 7 that went Top 5.

Plus, look at where those guys went, and who the QB was.

Von Miller - Manning
AJ Hawk - Favre, Rodgers
Kevin Hardy - Brunell

Trev Alberts only played 3 seasons, and they were pretty much a .500 team.

OnTheWarpath15 02-22-2013 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9425337)
A lot of them went to good teams that had an uncharacteristic down year, I'd be willing to bet.

Like Jerrod Mayo.

Mayo went 10th.

I think he claimed these were Top 5 at each position.

Sorter 02-22-2013 11:27 AM

Donks didn't have Manning when they drafted Von.

htismaqe 02-22-2013 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9425351)
Mayo went 10th.

I think he claimed these were Top 5 at each position.

Ah, yes.

OnTheWarpath15 02-22-2013 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9425353)
Donks didn't have Manning when they drafted Von.

Denver has a 21-11 record with Von Miller on the roster.

13 of those wins came with Manning at QB.

Sorter 02-22-2013 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9425362)
Denver has a 21-11 record with Von Miller on the roster.

13 of those wins came with Manning at QB.

Yes. However, your post seemed to me that they had drafted Von when Manning was there. Must have misread it/not understood the post.

MagicHef 02-22-2013 11:46 AM

The 6 top 5 LBs with winning records were:

Von (still had a .500 record with Orton/Tebow, up from .250 the season before)
Kevin Hardy (Brunell)
Boulware (Testaverde)
Willie McGinest (Bledsoe)
Trev Alberts (Harbaugh)
AJ Hawk (Favre)

Most of these guys outlasted the QBs and kept winning, though.

MagicHef 02-22-2013 11:52 AM

The 3 top 5 LBs with losing records:

LaVar Arrington
Aaron Curry
Marvin Jones

MagicHef 02-22-2013 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 9425335)
My guess is that they were complimentary pieces. That successful, winning teams picked them because they already had a proven core.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9425337)
A lot of them went to good teams that had an uncharacteristic down year, I'd be willing to bet.

Like Jerrod Mayo.

That could be, but why is it not repeated with any other position?

No safety taken in the top 5 has ever had a winning record.

AJ Green is the only WR

Darrell Russell is the only DT

Peppers and Cedric Jones are the only DEs

SAUTO 02-22-2013 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 9425465)
That could be, but why is it not repeated with any other position?

No safety taken in the top 5 has ever had a winning record.

AJ Green is the only WR

Darrell Russell is the only DT

Peppers and Cedric Jones are the only DEs

For their career?
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htismaqe 02-22-2013 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 9425465)
That could be, but why is it not repeated with any other position?

No safety taken in the top 5 has ever had a winning record.

AJ Green is the only WR

Darrell Russell is the only DT

Peppers and Cedric Jones are the only DEs

Because the LBs are rare specimens for their position? Or they're "mortar" pieces rather than bricks?

WRs tend to get drafted as playmakers but are largely ineffective without a QB. I think teams overvalue WRs.

Defensive tackles are self explanatory. Teams view defensive tackles as foundational pieces and CONSTANTLY draft them too early. I've had many, many long discussions about the history of NFL defensive tackles. Quite frankly, I wouldn't EVER draft one in the top 15 picks and signing them in free agency is an exercise in futility. It's by far the worst position on the field when it comes to guys flaming out.

MagicHef 02-22-2013 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9425503)
For their career?
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For their career with their original team.

SAUTO 02-22-2013 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 9425557)
For their career with their original team.

Thanks and sorry for not keeping up
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MagicHef 02-22-2013 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9425513)
Because the LBs are rare specimens for their position? Or they're "mortar" pieces rather than bricks?

WRs tend to get drafted as playmakers but are largely ineffective without a QB. I think teams overvalue WRs.

Defensive tackles are self explanatory. Teams view defensive tackles as foundational pieces and CONSTANTLY draft them too early. I've had many, many long discussions about the history of NFL defensive tackles. Quite frankly, I wouldn't EVER draft one in the top 15 picks and signing them in free agency is an exercise in futility. It's by far the worst position on the field when it comes to guys flaming out.

I agree. DT may be the worst value early in the draft.

I just cant get over the LBs. With other positions, you can see the good players that just don't have enough of an effect on their team to win (Megatron, Fitzgerald, Suh, Mario Williams, Gonzo, Woodson, Champ, Orlando Pace, etc.), and bad players that get carried to wins (Ryan Sims had a winning record with KC).

With LBs, the good ones win, and the bad ones lose, with relatively few exceptions that I can see.


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