Only Mahomes can be good according to CP

But if you don't pay a guy in the collective you have a network of connected people that will work 24/7 on destroying your brand.

Maybe that is the more expensive route seeing as how great QB's make so much endorsement $$$?

I agree, but that’s the case with any team that earned a top 10 draft pick*

If I was an elite prospect, I think I’d rather go to Chicago than the WSH, NE, ARZ, TEN, NYG. Probably others I’m not going to look into too much.

*By the way, I misremembered earlier when I said they had another top 5 pick. They have the #9 pick.


Well he enjoyed pretty immediate success in the NFL, but regardless he was always weird.

There’s a recent article on The Athletic that discusses all this stuff around him regarding ownership, etc, and it mentions that it entirely seems to be coming from his father who has micromanaged his entire career. I think it’s less a feeling that he “deserves” it and more an attempt to see if the envelope can be pushed.

I agree that all of the discussion comes off as doucey, but if you step back, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with his being iconoclastic and trying to break some of these stupid NFL norms. It obviously would benefit him - yes - but it would also set a precedent and benefit others down the line.

That's not what is being said.

Did Mahomes act like a self-absorbed jackass as if he's already proven himself in the NFL and can make demands? No? Ok then, this is not even close to being the same thing.

So his dad is LaVar Ball? Got it.

Mahomes bet on himself and won. Caleb is a good player perhaps he is a spoiled douche but he's going to be the #1 pick. Why not ask for the world?

Who knows. Talent wise I see him as comparable to Kyler Murray who had some initial success but wasn't able to overcome the Arizona org.

And the coach was KK and now he might be coaching Caleb.

And Washington has been just as inept and lost as a franchise.

**** all those pieces of shit

I get the feeling Daniels might be better. Even Booger agrees!

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I also think it depends A LOT on who these guys get as coaches, Andy Reid could do wonders with either one.

If Bears trade down and take Drake Maye and Washington pays through the nose for Caleb, I expect Maye to have more NFL success.

Bears seem like their GM has been making very good moves over and over.

Only miss recently was signing Tremaine Edmunds to that contract.

Chase Claypool says hello. Gosh, that was bad.

I mean, he did just pass on CJ Stroud last year. The Bears will get everything right except QB.

Another Non Sequitur.

I'd stay away from Maye, getting Trubisky vibes from him, it'd be Daniels for me if I'm in the top 3.

"raging hate boners"?? That's a bit overwrought, isn't it?

Let's see what they do this draft.

If they mess up and don't get a good QB then last year will haunt them.

They own the #1 pick though so let's see how they use it.

I don't know.

Think Maye is getting undervalued and the Daniels hype is a bit too high.

How is it a non sequitur when you’re praising Ryan Poles for all these good decisions outside of Edmunds and I remind you that he made one of the worst trades of the last few years?

Do you know what a non sequitur is? And why are you capitalizing it?

Ok, they lost a 2nd round pick.

When you add in all the extra capital they already acquired, not sinking any ships.

Veach had a horrible first draft in KC and the Frank Clark trade and the Hitchens FA signing were pretty gross early moves.

None of those stopped Veach from making better moves elsewhere.

Very simple minded mindset you have there.

;)

Yeah, the table is set for them to get a top guy and crush it. Hard to imagine that whomever they get will be better than Stroud, but if they find somebody comparable it could work out great.

He's extra reeruned today.

Stroud is a very good young QB but Slowik is going to be a head coach somewhere very soon.

What capital are you talking about that they had acquired BEFORE they traded what turned out to be the 32nd pick in the draft for Claypool?

The trade was labeled an overpay when it happened and it looks horrific in hindsight.

So what? No GM bats 1.000

They have added more draft capital than they lost overall.

Poles is doing well so far.

If the standard is that a GM can't make a mistake then Veach sucks too.

What don’t you understand here?

You went out of your way to praise him. Fine. You then went out of your way to say the only recent mistake he made was signing Edmunds. I reminded you that he also traded for Claypool which was much worse. You then pretend like I’m having some debate about how good of a GM he is when instead I’m just pointing out that you have a glaring omission when you’re complimenting him on his track record.

And fwiw - I think the Carolina trade last year was more the stupidity of that franchise than the shrewdness of Poles.

Teams will look at old medical data when they sign FA’s and/or trade for a guy and compare it to the current physical.

Right or wrong Poles job evaluation comes down to getting the QB decision right. Chicago fans will monday morning QB his decision and it bette be right.

;)


Sure, back away now.


Anyways, back to the thread topic.

IF Carolina took CJ and he performed the same he did for the Texans I think it would have been a good trade for them.

He might have been a great pick but if Stroud went to Carolina no one would be praising the Panthers.

They had no line and no weapons and poor coaching.

How the contract is structured matters. Agents also set up classes and coaching for how to interview. Teams and others are going to toss out rumors and things like that to drop his stock so he falls to another team. Agents have a direct line to the coaches and GMs to immediately refute the rumors and kill them before they gain ground. It seems like he needs that with his wildcard dad.

So...basically, the case with every other QB in the league?

I would be really really weary of Daniels, he's throwing to 2 1st round WRs and a lot of his stuff doesn't scream NFL translatable.

Exactly the same for me.

Oh, it definitely would’ve ended up being a good trade. But it felt like an overpay at the time of the trade regardless and the fact that they ended up with Young who struggled in the way everyone would’ve expected definitely is a major failure. I thought the fact that they acquired their rookie QB darling while simultaneously giving away his best offensive weapon by far was completely negligent. They needed Moore there to get a true evaluation of Young’s talents.

I think Maye is solid but I don't think he's a franchise player, I think his absolute best case scenario is more mobile Matt Ryan but he could just as easily end up being Alex Smith.

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I know you're a USC guy and I get it to he was throwing to but he also made the right reads and seems fast at it. I'm getting Stroud vibes from Daniels, only he has legs as well. He is a smaller guy so he will have to bulk up a bit for the NFL but we shall see. I'm no expert by far just my eye test and I think Caleb would benefit from having a coach like Reid or Mcvay, perhaps the Seahawks ex O coordinator as well.

Caleb needs to be coached out of thinking he can do anything at anytime, he will literally not take designed easy throws for 1st downs because he wants to go long.

Just armchair thinking here, but when you have a guy with super elite arm talent like this, but who doesn't take what the defense gives him at times, wouldn't you want to know how coachable he is? Especially if the athleticism of the defensive linemen he's playing against in the NFL will be much greater and negate some of his escapability, throwing windows will be tighter, reads will need to be made faster, all else.

The attitude coming out of his camp seems to be more that he's a finished product, teams should be considering him as such. Is that the case in his mind, too?

Could be a lot of things, I don't think Lincoln Riley is a QB whisperer so he just let Caleb do Caleb things.

Also he apparently said the teams he visits will get his medicals, so this is much a do about nothing.

I think his biggest problem is wearing his hate on his sleeve, Mahomes does a great job of being the nice guy saying all the right things but you know he pumps himself full of I'll show them. If Caleb gets the right coach it will make a world of difference, Shane Waldron might be the calming force if he goes to the Bears which I think is a no brainer. I'm just puzzled as to why the Bears kept Eberflus.

What's more creepy is the white knights riding in to his rescue. Now that is creepy...

The Eberflus shit makes no sense, I guess they somehow think the fact that they finished the year ok and the defense got better means if Caleb is good they're a playoff team?

You didn't then it either

This post made me laugh. I don’t get it though. None of those dudes bother me, especially given the fact that our guy is better than any of them.

Idk. We’ve had multiple threads about this dude and the comments are all extremely negative. It’s weird that people here care so much.

His school didn’t play Kansas or Mizzou much and he isn’t even likely to play in the Chiefs’ conference at this rate. He is irrelevant.

I guess if you're the Bears, you might feel that Fields' limitations as a passer are the team's primary problem and that Williams should develop into an elite passer. On the surface level it makes sense irrespective of the staff.

Deion Sanders acted this way and wouldn’t even talk to teams that didn’t have a high enough pick to take him.

He turned out fine and so will Caleb. He’s gonna be good. If any franchise deserves a good QB it’s the Bears

Not a good organization.

And Deion went 6th overall. Talking like that to a team with the 18th pick.

I wasn’t alive at the time to know if he was a projected #1 overall but I doubt it in such a stacked draft.

That’s insane confidence.. or maybe he had conversations with teams that led him to believe there was absolutely no way he’d fall beyond a certain pick.

CP hates confident black men

Whoa, cornerback is a hell of a lot different than QB.

Daniels is now my QB1. Anyone who drafts Caleb ahead of this guy will be at risk of losing their job.

CB has supreme accuracy , a cannon arm and high-level pocket escapability (lateral quickness). I watched him when he played in high-school and he was pretty ****ing good. But he's not even close to being a complete NFL QB. He's always played in dumbed down systems. He'll be starting from day one in a pass-happy offense with out a 1k rusher and the o-line is medicore. If he could sit behind a solid vet and if the team had guard-rails ("culture") he could get away with his heavyduty punky bitch antics but that's not happening. I think he'll be a better QB than fields long term if (big if) the coordinator can adjust his scheme and the players can deal with hero-ball 20 yard sacks.

I like boobs. They're my favorite thing.

With their cap space and draft capital, if Caleb Williams is even average they should be a playoff team.

They could potentially be a playoff team with Justin Fields next year.

I think Chicago is as good a 1.1 opportunity as any QB has had in a VERY long time.

Third time now that I've heard/read about Caleb possibly being a bust. Will be interesting to see how he pans out. And which analysts prove to be correct.

The fact that Miller Moss stepped in and looked as good as Caleb Williams has at any point in the last year has to mean something, right?

Dude throws 6 TDs in his only start. That's gotta matter. Especially when there are real concerns that the guy doesn't process very well.

Bad coaching is more than capable of squandering what should be an embarrassment of riches. It will probably come down to whether or not their new offensive coordinator is good.

I’m starting to buy in a little on Williams and I think the possibility of Chicago being a real competitor again is fun. Thank God the NFC is finally getting some new QB blood.

He's very talented. But he does have some flaws.

Unlike Mahomes, who created to keep the play alive, Caleb will actually create the chaos himself even when it is not needed.

Mahomes was killed for this coming out but Caleb is way worse at moving on to the next play.

I hope the Raiders don't get Daniels, then again if they do they can Raider anything up.

If Deshaun Watson were more athletic, he'd be Caleb Williams.

Watson created far more headaches for himself than he needed to and in the end the only thing he truly did well was throw a pretty deep ball.

Clay would've masturbated furiously to either of those guys back in 2015 in his 'throw it deeeeeeeep' days.

Williams has tools, no question. Premier arm talent, great athleticism. But he's not a polished quarterback in a lot of ways. We've gotten a little bit nutty in that we suddenly expect these guys to be finished products when very very few truly are. He could absolutely learn how to do most of these things he struggles with.

But Fields never did. Many guys before that didn't. And Williams has to self-scout in order to make those improvements; it's not a given that he's open to that sort of thing.

I'd take him at 1.1. I'd simply not be willing to pass on the tools. But man - there's a lot more risk here than many want to think.

All in all, I don't know how you could pass on the potential if you're a QB-poor team and your only chance to be relevant is to hit on a QB. You may as well swing for the fence.

Well stated and it all depends on what is around him coaching and talent wise.

To me there are two guys at the top in Caleb and Drake.

Both have talent to be very good. For most prospects, unless you are a generational player like Mahomes or a horrible prospect like Josh Rosen, the destination matters a lot.

If you are a talented prospect and go to a team with no oline, weapons or coaching you are going to look bad.


Then you need coaching fit.

If Josh Allen went to Shanahan I don't think he would be what he is now. He got Daboll who built a unique offense around the QB. Not every QB drafted gets that opportunity.

I don’t see any kind of leadership gene with Caleb.

He might be great if he went into a ready made situation like SF.

But how will he react when he’s playing for a shitty organization and people are failing all around him?

I have serious doubts but we’ll see.

I'm going to get some so youll talk to me

But in today's NFL these teams place these unproven stud QB's right out of college into playing right away instead of giving them half the season or better to learn the fast-paced game and complicated playbooks these teams have.

Throw them into the fire right away.

This kid is incredibly talented. Barring some disaster (i.e injuries) I have zero doubt he'll be top 5 within 2-3 years in the NFL.

I spent several years of my life living in Chicago and even studied there and they really deserve to have an elite QB. Its unbelievable, they've been around for 100+ years and have this storied history but the only superstar QB they've ever had was Sid Luckman back in the 1940's

Maye is also fantastic as well. He's way better than Jayden Daniels

I hope Williams and Maye go to the NFC . It will help bring some much needed QB talent parity between the 2 conferences.

I think Maye seems like a better coaching fit with the Bears offense.

If the Bears get a boat load of picks from Washington I think they drop 1 spot and take Maye.

Maye played in a modern air-raid system last year and that's what Kliff is known for. I get your point though, Caleb Williams is Kliff's guy.

Bears can't afford another Trubisky

I've always been of the opinion you take shot after shot after shot until you land "the guy".


Bears need to be aggressive, but this guy will implode,and he will take the team with him.

How do you approach the subject of his helicopter parents after you draft him, anyway? 'Hey, we like you but this is a professional football team so you need to cut the cord and they need to not be a distraction'

i just thought it would be funny to post that i hate them

thats all lol

They almost have to take Caleb, the hype is real for sure. Not a well run organization and that will matter.

I get bust vibes from his ability to not beat good teams even though he was surrounded with elite talent. What does he expect at the next level.

Then his demands are asinine for a potential rookie, unless he is gambling to drop his stock and get drafted by a better team at the bottom.

I also read that he doesn't want to show up because he is 5,11. Which looking at photos of him and the coaches may be true.

Yeah - they can't make the same mistake twice. Oh sure, making a completely different mistake isn't much better from a results standpoint, but from a fan satisfaction standpoint, you just can't do the same thing you did last time when you locked in on 'coachability' and floor with Trubisky over a guy like Mahomes who was clearly a superior raw talent even without the benefit of hindsight.

The Bears have to take the guy with the best physical tools this time. And that guy is Williams. It's a risk in its own right and I know they shouldn't make decisions based on the past, but the NFL is still an entertainment industry. That fanbase just can't handle the same process going the same way again. And there's no worse than a coinflip chance of that happening if they pass on Williams for Maye.