Ok yea I remember that, but was that the same exact play? I don’t remember the defender being held and getting turned around on the one Collinsworth highlighted.

Looks like a blatant hold in that pic to me.

They are also the best coached team in the league. The two are often associated.

NE did have 2 penalties. 1 was declined and the other offsetting. Grandpa Bob lost this game.

I suppose. But when you see egregious holds, like the one on Kelce and the blatant tackle of Hunt, and then look back at the box score and see 0-0 next to penalty yards, you begin to wonder...

Hunt never could have caught that pass either way.

I'm just here for the pizza party.

//wouldn't it still be a penalty?

is it legal to tackle a player when the ball is in the air?

Probably would be ruled "uncatchable" then flag the Chiefs for "unnecessary bitching".

"Half the distance! To the opposite goal line! Please reset the clock to 0! (Mr. Kraft, the envelope please.)"

FAX

The 2 picks cost - 10 points.

Every play has a penalty of some kind, it's an entertainment leauge.

Relax bro. I don't get why you need to make everything so personal. It is possible to civilly disagree without getting on some high horse.

Show me plays like that and I'll gladly reconsider or change my stance. Doesn't mean Nelson should be absolved of his penalty. I also enjoy how you demand I answer your question last night be gladly ignore mine.

I was complaining about some of the calls like all of you. Especially the one on Fuller to negate the Edelman opi. That was outrageous unless there is an angle we didn't see I just get frustrated when our take penalties when they aren't even giving the refs a chance to miss it. We can control that. We have to. When you are playing a team like NE, fair or not, you have to.

It looks well-timed to me. Ball is over his head as he is being tackled. And no, there is no PI on an uncatchable ball.

Yup
Although, Dallas has the least at home (11) and the Cheatriots have the least away (7) and 19 at home.
http://www.nflpenalties.com/

Also, the Cheatriots have only lost 206 penalty yrds they've gained 367 on opposing teams penalties.

Lol How did I make it personal? I didn’t call you any names or anything. Sorry if you felt attacked. You seem nice.

You assumed the Pats weren’t blatantly holding too, which I think is pretty naive. Everybody does it.

Also, what was your question? I honestly never saw it.

Hard to win when you are playing against two teams.

My favorite part was when the DID call the pats for a PI....a random offsetting flag appeared late.


The refs definitely didn't hurt the Pats chances at the W, but in reality....the Chiefs offense could have scored 7's instead of some 3s in the first half, thrown a couple of less INTs that left really short fields....and the Defense could have made 1 punt....one.

Long time lurker, hopefully I seem nice.

This thread finally pissed me off enough to make an account. If the rule is different in the NFL and I'm just a dumbass (entirely possible) then ok, but how is the lineman not flagged for being an ineligible man downfield...? He's clearly outside the neutral zone, as well as being a clam chowder guzzling piece of shit?

Usually it's not called if he's actively engaged in a block...

Aaron Hernandez was flagged for more murders than the Pats were obvious holding non calls.

Cheapshot bullshit that gave Morse concussion:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here is Mitch Morse landing on his head, leading to a trip to concussion protocol. He took a hit from Donta Hightower (who earlier picked off Mahomes): <a href="https://t.co/IDupLkL4xV">pic.twitter.com/IDupLkL4xV</a></p>&mdash; Tom Martin (@TomKCTV5) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomKCTV5/status/1051649115787018240?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 15, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Guess he let them score the other 33 points huh?

Wow. We always get ****ed on plays like this where there’s no penalty and an injury to throw salt into the wound.

Not attacked, just felt like you were swinging when I was just trying to have a discussion about it. Was basically just asking if it's fair to hold Fuller accountable for taking down Hogan even if Hogan was pushing.

My point really is this.....it might not be fair, but DB's need to know what they are up against. If you are beat you need to try something besides grabbing his arm, or worse in Nelson's case, tackling him. Something has to be better than that because what they did is a lock for a penalty. Some teams can get away with it, we aren't that team.

The problem is if he wasn't tackled he could have gotten to it. Take that same reasoning to the off setting foul play or other holding plays.

The light hold they called on us was with the ball in the air and away from the ball. Literally uncatchable.

Also if we are staying uncatchable balls are the rule for being no flags then they need to quit throwing them if the qb is not looking that way or ball in the air to everyone else.

Someone doesn’t understand the rules. Stop posting, you’ll look less stupid.

A random thought came into my head about the Speaks play... How many defenders in the NFL don't drag down the QB in that situation? Yeah, there was a flag thrown however if Brady is running, there can't be holding (or I don't know the rules). Brady could have fumbled or gotten injured. If it were Mahomes, would the defender have been thinking about it?

Not specific to the Patriots, the rules concerning the offense and when/where/how a defense can tackle the quarterback have become unfair. It rewards bad line play and quarterbacks that stand like a statue in the pocket.

Football is becoming unrecognizable to me.

It also rewards the statue QB's, being mobile gets you less calls, being young gets you less calls cause they think the younger guys can 'take the hits" or haven't earned the calls.

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Then The Midgets

That’s fair. I can’t say I really disagree with that. It’s just frustrating from a defensive perspective that guys that otherwise can’t get separation get away with it.

Have you watched Sutton for the Broncos this year for example? It’s all he does.

You don’t see Kelce or Hill pushing off because they don’t need it.

I'm not going to complain about the officiating for this game. Both sides got away with a few penalties. There was a very blatant block in the back on Smith's long kickoff return. What I'm trying to figure out is how we end up playing at Pittsburgh and at NE nearly every time. Isn't that supposed to rotate? Wewon the division the past 2 years and played the Pats there both times. I just looked at the future scheduling for next year. We play the same place finisher of the AFC East away. Assuming that the Chiefs and Pat's win their division, that's 3 years straight at New England. Where is the rotation?? 2020 we get NE at home. 2021 we get AFC East same place finisher at home. But will Brady even be playing then? Doubtful. And if he is, how good will he be? Hopefully we get them at Arrowhead in the playoffs. Because it's not happening anytime soon in the regular season.

Good point.

I also think PI should change. No penalty should be worth 40 or more yards ever.

They need to change it to something like half the distance to the goal if it’s a bomb and beyond midfield.