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wazu 12-12-2017 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 13278011)
Sure does seem like everyone had her cell phone number. I guess you never know when you might have a wardrobe emergency.

Seriously? These are people who travel as part of their job, and no doubt have plenty of legit needs to communicate/coordinate outside of just seeing each other in the studio.

thegame214 12-12-2017 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 13278227)

America: guilty until proven innocent


Ike Taylor ****ed himself though. Literally

Bowser 12-12-2017 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13277710)
Just wait til you see Ike Taylor's dong.

The apparent fact that you have knowledge of Taylor's equipment is almost as distrurbing as knowing ThaVirus watches videos of William H. Macy dancing around with his oversized crank flopping around everywhere on Reddit.

Frazod 12-12-2017 10:32 AM

Soon it's going to get to the point where legitimate gold diggers who want their pussies grabbed are going to have to wear special badges.

gblowfish 12-12-2017 10:44 AM

Ike Turner?

TribalElder 12-12-2017 11:06 AM

Didn't joe buck sexually harass anyone, we should pull him from all commentary just in case

gblowfish 12-12-2017 11:20 AM

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I wonder why these Roided up Ex Jocks, who had women throwing themselves at them for years, would go after the hairdresser when the sideline chicks are ten times as hot?

Rain Man 12-12-2017 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 13278382)
Didn't joe buck sexually harass anyone, we should pull him from all commentary just in case

This is a really good idea. Can we get an investigation of Howie Long over on Fox?

MahiMike 12-12-2017 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 13277699)
At some point I wonder when allegations are going to become weaponized. Want someone's job? Just accuse them.

I'm not saying this isn't a legitimate complaint, and it wouldn't be shocking at all if a bunch of football players become uncivilized in a group, but I do worry about weaponizing this phenomenon.

We're already there. I can't believe guys are actually quitting over this stuff. If I was Al Franken or the like, I'd just admit coming on to her and say 'whatdya want from me? I'm a guy? Thought she might like it...'.

Rain Man 12-12-2017 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 13278413)
We're already there. I can't believe guys are actually quitting over this stuff. If I was Al Franken or the like, I'd just admit coming on to her and say 'whatdya want from me? I'm a guy? Thought she might like it...'.

Purely from a self-interest perspective, I've never understood why people resign in those situations. Resigning gives away all of your power to control the story. Franken resigns while Roy Moore just ignores everything, and guess who ends up in the better situation?

pugsnotdrugs19 12-12-2017 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 13278403)
I wonder why these Roided up Ex Jocks, who had women throwing themselves at them for years, would go after the hairdresser when the sideline chicks are ten times as hot?

Yup... we'll see where this goes but this sounds fishy.

I saw the accuser's instagram, which only has a profile photo and one post (a picture of a dog). The profile photo screams 'crazy bitch'.

Rain Man 12-12-2017 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 13278403)
I wonder why these Roided up Ex Jocks, who had women throwing themselves at them for years, would go after the hairdresser when the sideline chicks are ten times as hot?

Maybe they just go after every woman.

Bowser 12-12-2017 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 13278382)
Didn't joe buck sexually harass anyone, we should pull him from all commentary just in case

Only Baumgarner, and they both just called it foreplay anyway.

SuperBowl4 12-12-2017 11:52 AM

I think all this is a lead up to getting TRUMP out of office for the same accusations. Conditioning the masses.

gblowfish 12-12-2017 11:58 AM

One of the band names my pals considered at one time was "Ike, That Hurts." Probably not a good pick now.

ToxSocks 12-12-2017 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperBowl4 (Post 13278496)
I think all this is a lead up to getting TRUMP out of office for the same accusations. Conditioning the masses.

Think long and hard about that...you have it backwards.

Hog's Gone Fishin 12-12-2017 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 13277811)
Question: do you only send penis pictures if you have a large penis? Or can anyone do it? I'm curious why someone would send a penis picture, even if it's requested.

I always just enlarge the photo and put some object way back in the distance to distort things before I hit send.

Hog's Gone Fishin 12-12-2017 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperBowl4 (Post 13278496)
I think all this is a lead up to getting TRUMP out of office for the same accusations. Conditioning the masses.

Trump will pardon them all and call it a day.

KCrockaholic 12-12-2017 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 13278227)

They're innocent.

They wouldn't hit on an old skeletor Steven Tyler crazy bitch.

Fish 12-12-2017 12:12 PM

LMAO....

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Warren Sapp (former on-air talent) — Came into restroom while plaintiff was preparing clothes and urinated in front of her.

When she screamed at him to get out, Sapp said, “Sorry mama, but your office shouldn’t be our sh*tter.”

Sapp is also accused of giving the woman sex toys for Christmas 3 years in a row.

More details: http://dailysnark.com/details-sexual...work-employee/

Rain Man 12-12-2017 12:21 PM

I was wondering why everyone is saying this woman is unattractive, and then I remembered that calling her attractive might get you included in the lawsuit. Savvy move, people. Savvy move.

Hammock Parties 12-12-2017 12:23 PM

****ing Sapp. LMAO

TLO 12-12-2017 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 13278538)
LMAO....

Oh wow

DaneMcCloud 12-12-2017 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 13278530)
They're innocent.

They wouldn't hit on an old skeletor Steven Tyler crazy bitch.

:facepalm:

Typical Chiefsplanet: Blame the victim. Accuse the victim.

DaneMcCloud 12-12-2017 12:36 PM

There isn't a single lawyer, let alone, the NFL Network, that would suspend these men or take on her case without legitimate digital information.

And for those of you idiots blaming her for passing on her number to those men that she dresses, really?

Do you not have the cell phone number of any of your co-workers?

Pablo 12-12-2017 12:37 PM

Well, maybe he meant the dildos to be hung as Christmas ornaments.

"Mom, why are there 3 double headed python dildos on the tree"?

Oh, you know Warren, he's always full of Christmas cheer.

KCUnited 12-12-2017 12:40 PM

Sapp has a unique take on the jelly of the month club holiday gift.

The Franchise 12-12-2017 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 13278606)
Well, maybe he meant the dildos to be hung as Christmas ornaments.

"Mom, why are there 3 double headed python dildos on the tree"?

Oh, you know Warren, he's always full of Christmas cheer.

I'd be more worried that my kid knows what a double headed python dildo is.

WhiteWhale 12-12-2017 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 13277802)
I understand withholding judgment until more information is in and not assuming that these guys are automatically guilty. At the same time, don't assume that the accuser is lying simply because more of this is becoming known. Generally, these dams break, they don't leak. Look at what happened with the Catholic Church. The volume of accusations was phenomenal, but they were also true. Just because they exploded in quick fashion doesn't make it false and/or a money grab.

They didn't really explode in that quick of a fashion as far as accusations being made privately or publically.

People who talked about it were simply ostracized at worst or at best ignored. Remember the whole Sinead O'Conner SNL thing? That's why she was tearing up pictures of the Pope.

This seems a similar thing. People are just finally listening and reacting instead of the old head in the sand technique, which is bringing out more people.

It's actually horrifying to see how deep these termites are, and it's justifiably making people a bit unsure about where the line is. The reactions from the accussed I see frequently make me think the accusations are true.

I'm suspecting they've had other HR complaints about this regarding certain people and/or she still has the text messages. These suspensions were handed out quickly, and more could be coming.

TLO 12-12-2017 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13278594)
:facepalm:

Typical Chiefsplanet: Blame the victim. Accuse the victim.

*alleged victim

KCrockaholic 12-12-2017 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13278594)
:facepalm:

Typical Chiefsplanet: Blame the victim. Accuse the victim.


Did you see what she was wearing? She was just asking for it.

TLO 12-12-2017 12:54 PM

I'd also pay good money to read Warren Sapp's text messages. They have to be a riot.

TLO 12-12-2017 01:00 PM

http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quot...-114-64-10.jpg

dtrain 12-12-2017 01:56 PM

https://youtu.be/WvmIR-lNjU4

Not that good looking for all the trouble.

wazu 12-12-2017 02:25 PM

There’s a reference in that “5 things” article about her career dating back to pre-90s. So presumably this all occurred to a woman in her 40s, now probably nearing 50.

Titty Meat 12-12-2017 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 13278227)

She's not the catch PT 4

dj56dt58 12-12-2017 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13278594)
:facepalm:

Typical Chiefsplanet: Blame the victim. Accuse the victim.

Typical Dane, guilty until proven innocent

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13278601)
There isn't a single lawyer, let alone, the NFL Network, that would suspend these men or take on her case without legitimate digital information.

ROFL You can't be serious

SAUTO 12-12-2017 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 13277858)
Mecca used to go around bragging about his thick but not long schlong. Ah those good old days.

I once ran into in him on an NFL chat on AIM, and he said nobody here liked him, and that's why he began to only show up occasionally.

I liked Mecca.

scorpio 12-12-2017 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SAUTO (Post 13279101)
I liked Mecca.

He was nice but his hair was offensive. Also didn't he try to pass off a porn star as his internet girlfriend?

raybec 4 12-12-2017 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by scorpio (Post 13279114)
He was nice but his hair was offensive. Also didn't he try to pass off a porn star as his internet girlfriend?

I believe he did

gblowfish 12-12-2017 03:49 PM

Sounds like a disgruntled employee trying to stick it to NFL Network after they whacked her. But if she still has the texts or the pictures, she wins.

Buehler445 12-12-2017 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 13278154)
Do I sense a Russian accent there?

LOL

I can barely speak English, but it is because I'm a dumbass, not a dumbass Russian.

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Originally Posted by SAUTO (Post 13279101)
I liked Mecca.

He's rampaging in the Net Neutrality thread in the DC at the moment.

wazu 12-12-2017 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by scorpio (Post 13279114)
He was nice but his hair was offensive. Also didn't he try to pass off a porn star as his internet girlfriend?

HAHAHA what?!

SAUTO 12-12-2017 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 13279146)
HAHAHA what?!

Truth

stevieray 12-12-2017 04:30 PM

Man, it feels real good to be happily married right about now.

Crazy out there.

DaneMcCloud 12-12-2017 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dj56dt58 (Post 13279062)
Typical Dane, guilty until proven innocent



ROFL You can't be serious

You might be the biggest dumb**** on CP

saphojunkie 12-12-2017 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13278473)
Yup... we'll see where this goes but this sounds fishy.

I saw the accuser's instagram, which only has a profile photo and one post (a picture of a dog). The profile photo screams 'crazy bitch'.

Congratulations... you are a piece of shit.

KCrockaholic 12-12-2017 05:45 PM

Why is he a piece of shit for not immediately believing in the accusations? I wouldn't be surprised if some of those guys did make sexual references towards her, but I also wouldn't be surprised if she egged it on and pretended to enjoy it.

saphojunkie 12-12-2017 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 13279367)
Why is he a piece of shit for not immediately believing in the accusations? I wouldn't be surprised if some of those guys did make sexual references towards her, but I also wouldn't be surprised if she egged it on and pretended to enjoy it.

Congratulations, you are a bigger piece of shit.

Here's hoping you have a daughter, and one day she comes home to tell you that an entitled millionaire athlete who has never been told "no" his whole life raped her.

That way, you can set that lying bitch straight and tell her to stop making stuff up.

Because it is clear you don't believe women. Cuz they ain't victims, is they? Nope, they all just looking fer yer MONAY.

**** your own face, you soulless blight on the ass of humanity.

Chief Roundup 12-12-2017 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13277800)
It might very well be true, but I just get kinda annoyed and pissed off with the fact that they wait until now to say something. Now that they know there will be serious attention paid, and money to be made, everyone wants to come out with their story.

My view is, if it wasn't bad enough to get you to complain in the first place, shut the **** up. For all we know, the woman didn't mind it at the time but decided to make it seem that way now due to all of the press she knows it would receive.

Do we know that she didn't file a complaint? Could that be part of the reason for her dismissal?
How long did it take for her to get an attorney and for said attorney to write up the complaint and get it filed?

Chief Roundup 12-12-2017 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 13277870)
I could see Ike Taylor missing some of the throw themselves at you glory days girls, and then trying to find a girl at NFLN who was DTF, but that's typical. If ALLLL those guys who work there were trying to get it in her, that means she was also giving off some major flirty vibes. I just don't buy it until I hear more. I'd be willing to bet somebody did something, but not everyone who was listed.

It could have been just one guy started it and when she didn't immediately shut it down he bragged to the others and then they started doing it too.

Al Bundy 12-12-2017 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 13279374)
Congratulations, you are a bigger piece of shit.

Here's hoping you have a daughter, and one day she comes home to tell you that an entitled millionaire athlete who has never been told "no" his whole life raped her.

That way, you can set that lying bitch straight and tell her to stop making stuff up.

Because it is clear you don't believe women. Cuz they ain't victims, is they? Nope, they all just looking fer yer MONAY.

**** your own face, you soulless blight on the ass of humanity.

You might be overreacting.

Easy 6 12-12-2017 06:11 PM

Honest question... where does this all end, when is enough gonna be enough?

Entertainment, politics, sports are all being dragged into this maelstrom... every little slap on the ass, and sexually tinged remark is now seemingly grounds for the guillotine

Many cases surely have genuine merit, but this is reaching social reerunation levels

Ragged Robin 12-12-2017 06:15 PM

Let's see: ex old ass balding NFL jocks texting dick pics and harassing women in the workplace. Somehow I don't find that unbelievable at all and wouldn't be surprised if it's true :rolleyes:

Easy 6 12-12-2017 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 13279367)
Why is he a piece of shit for not immediately believing in the accusations? I wouldn't be surprised if some of those guys did make sexual references towards her, but I also wouldn't be surprised if she egged it on and pretended to enjoy it.

You have just been a baller ass poster lately

Easy 6 12-12-2017 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 13279374)
Congratulations, you are a bigger piece of shit.

Here's hoping you have a daughter, and one day she comes home to tell you that an entitled millionaire athlete who has never been told "no" his whole life raped her.

That way, you can set that lying bitch straight and tell her to stop making stuff up.

Because it is clear you don't believe women. Cuz they ain't victims, is they? Nope, they all just looking fer yer MONAY.

**** your own face, you soulless blight on the ass of humanity.

Says the guy who constantly harrased a man dying from cancer with snide little neg reps... eat shit, hypocrite

Chief Roundup 12-12-2017 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 13278403)
I wonder why these Roided up Ex Jocks, who had women throwing themselves at them for years, would go after the hairdresser when the sideline chicks are ten times as hot?

Because women like those have been there done that and realize those jocks are jokes of men.

Chief Roundup 12-12-2017 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 13279409)
Honest question... where does this all end, when is enough gonna be enough?

Entertainment, politics, sports are all being dragged into this maelstrom... every little slap on the ass, and sexually tinged remark is now seemingly grounds for the guillotine

Many cases surely have genuine merit, but this is reaching social reerunation levels

It will be enough when people don't act that way in the work place.

vailpass 12-12-2017 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 13279374)
Congratulations, you are a bigger piece of shit.

Here's hoping you have a daughter, and one day she comes home to tell you that an entitled millionaire athlete who has never been told "no" his whole life raped her.

That way, you can set that lying bitch straight and tell her to stop making stuff up.

Because it is clear you don't believe women. Cuz they ain't victims, is they? Nope, they all just looking fer yer MONAY.

**** your own face, you soulless blight on the ass of humanity.

LMAO
Easy there Francis.

ChiTown 12-12-2017 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 13279407)
You might be overreacting.

Might? Sapho lashes out more than a teenaged girl on her period.

Easy 6 12-12-2017 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 13279449)
LMAO
Easy there Francis.

Lonewolf Ed, if there was a more genuine nice guy here than him, I've no idea who it would be

He used to get the shittiest little messages from sapho, for the most inoffensive Ed type posts you can imagine

I usually just cheered him up by pointing out exactly who was being that way toward him... 'Its just some freak putting on his lipstick, lol... **** him lol'

Strongside 12-12-2017 06:56 PM

I have some less than flattering text conversations with coworkers in my past...all of which were mutual. Some of these women have since come into money/power. Do I have a card to play here?

Just kidding. But seriously.

Mama Hip Rockets 12-12-2017 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13277800)
It might very well be true, but I just get kinda annoyed and pissed off with the fact that they wait until now to say something. Now that they know there will be serious attention paid, and money to be made, everyone wants to come out with their story.

My view is, if it wasn't bad enough to get you to complain in the first place, shut the **** up. For all we know, the woman didn't mind it at the time but decided to make it seem that way now due to all of the press she knows it would receive.

It's not that simple. Victims are intimidated, afraid of losing their jobs, afraid of being retaliated against, and afraid of their reputations being ruined. And comments like this (and the dozens of other people shooting their mouths off in this thread and others like it) are part of the problem.

vailpass 12-12-2017 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 13279472)
Lonewolf Ed, if there was a more genuine nice guy here than him, I've no idea who it would be

He used to get the shittiest little messages from sapho, for the most inoffensive Ed type posts you can imagine

I usually just cheered him up by pointing out exactly who was being that way toward him... 'Its just some freak putting on his lipstick, lol... **** him lol'

That's all I need to know. Anybody doesn't get along with Ed has a problem.

Bwana 12-12-2017 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 13278538)
Warren Sapp (former on-air talent) — Came into restroom while plaintiff was preparing clothes and urinated in front of her.

When she screamed at him to get out, Sapp said, “Sorry mama, but your office shouldn’t be our sh*tter.”

Sapp is also accused of giving the woman sex toys for Christmas 3 years in a row.

More details: http://dailysnark.com/details-sexual...work-employee/

LMAO

vailpass 12-12-2017 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 13279495)
It's not that simple. Victims are intimidated, afraid of losing their jobs, afraid of being retaliated against, and afraid of their reputations being ruined. And comments like this (and the dozens of other people shooting their mouths off in this thread and others like it) are part of the problem.

You go girl.

KCrockaholic 12-12-2017 07:39 PM

This thread turned into AIDS quickly. RIP my future daughter in honor of the Junkie.

Bwana 12-12-2017 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by scorpio (Post 13279114)
He was nice but his hair was offensive. Also didn't he try to pass off a porn star as his internet girlfriend?

Seriously? ROFL

Bwana 12-12-2017 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 13279374)
Congratulations, you are a bigger piece of shit.

Here's hoping you have a daughter, and one day she comes home to tell you that an entitled millionaire athlete who has never been told "no" his whole life raped her.

That way, you can set that lying bitch straight and tell her to stop making stuff up.

Because it is clear you don't believe women. Cuz they ain't victims, is they? Nope, they all just looking fer yer MONAY.

**** your own face, you soulless blight on the ass of humanity.

Well alrighty then.

https://media.tenor.com/images/d213c...dc47/tenor.gif

Al Bundy 12-12-2017 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 13279472)
Lonewolf Ed, if there was a more genuine nice guy here than him, I've no idea who it would be

He used to get the shittiest little messages from sapho, for the most inoffensive Ed type posts you can imagine

I usually just cheered him up by pointing out exactly who was being that way toward him... 'Its just some freak putting on his lipstick, lol... **** him lol'

You and I agree on this, and **** Sapho for that.

Bwana 12-12-2017 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 13279472)
Lonewolf Ed, if there was a more genuine nice guy here than him, I've no idea who it would be

He used to get the shittiest little messages from sapho, for the most inoffensive Ed type posts you can imagine

I usually just cheered him up by pointing out exactly who was being that way toward him... 'Its just some freak putting on his lipstick, lol... **** him lol'

Really?

vailpass 12-12-2017 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 13279576)
You and I agree on this, and **** Sapho for that.

**** him hard. I had no idea.

stevieray 12-12-2017 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 13279472)
Lonewolf Ed, if there was a more genuine nice guy here than him, I've no idea who it would be

He used to get the shittiest little messages from sapho, for the most inoffensive Ed type posts you can imagine

I usually just cheered him up by pointing out exactly who was being that way toward him... 'Its just some freak putting on his lipstick, lol... **** him lol'

That's messed up.

DaneMcCloud 12-12-2017 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 13279367)
Why is he a piece of shit for not immediately believing in the accusations? I wouldn't be surprised if some of those guys did make sexual references towards her, but I also wouldn't be surprised if she egged it on and pretended to enjoy it.

Yeah, sure.

I’m sure that every woman would enjoy a guy whipping out his cock and jerking off on a woman that’s trapped in a hallway or corner.

KChiefs1 12-12-2017 10:18 PM

Donovan McNabb likes squirters. Who knew?

DaneMcCloud 12-12-2017 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13279932)
Donovan McNabb likes squirters. Who knew?

Jami Cantor

KChiefs1 12-12-2017 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ping2000 (Post 13278010)
Public service announcement: Do not take pictures of your dick. Do not send anyone pictures of your dick. No one wants pictures of your dick.



Even if they ask for one?

KChiefs1 12-12-2017 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 13278227)



Her ass must be amazing.

KChiefs1 12-12-2017 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 13279132)
if she still has the texts or the pictures, she wins.


They'd be worth millions.

DaneMcCloud 12-12-2017 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13279952)
Her ass must be amazing.

She worked at the NFL Network from 2005 to 2016 so it's silly to assume that all of this happened just recently.

I'm sure she looked different at age 41 than at age 51.


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