I agree with this. Reid is here to pad his retirement, not win a Super Bowl.

What would it take/cost to acquire another 1st round pick in the 2018 draft?

I'm not talking about the last 30 years.

I'm talking about how some years the draft is stronger in some position and weak in others. It changes each year. Doesn't mean that you can't find a good play in a weak draft but it's more difficult.

This year is consider weak at the QB position

Doesn't matter whether or not it makes you or anyone else angry, it's just reality.

Next year, on the other hand, is supposed to be strong and deep.

I just want the Chiefs to have a ****ing plan instead of just jumping at shadows.

I wouldn't call hoping things fall a certain way a year from now a "plan" though.

We didn't tank.

The Chiefs aren't smart enough to try to tank. imo.

Please, please, please just have a real plan to draft the franchise QB that you want.

You first, douche dick.

And someone broke down next year's POSSIBLE class of qb's already and there is a lot of hope going on there.

Group B doesn't exist

Some people think that it's possible to win games with Smith if you surround him with enough talent. Nobody thinks he is going to "lead" us there. Group B-ish people just say that Alex Smith isn't as bad as Group A insists. That is enough to be declared a Ales Smith-Homer.


Let's repeat that so it sinks in ... saying the Alex Smith isn't the worst quarterback in the NFL means that you are a homer. :hmmm:

That's right, saying that Alex Smith isn't the worst is what starts all these crazy fight threads because nutbags in Group A cannot accept any position other than "Alex Smith is the worst QB in history and he is the only problem with the Chiefs organization. You cannot even critique a 3rd string linebacker without Group A jumping in a yelling that "the 3rd string linebacker is awesome, Alex Smith just sucks!!"

Group A is the same group of people who think that everyone is an idiot BUT them. I think we should rename Group A to the Dickhead Group.

There is no such thing as tanking in the NFL. Manning going down replaced by Curtis Painter isn't ****ing tanking. They were a one man army that can still barely win with Luck. The Chiefs have been very talented for years and held back by poor QB play. Tanking doesn't exist.

There's a couple people in group b.

Name them. :shake:

Seriously?

You think there's no one that thinks Alex Smith can lead us to a super bowl on this board?

Really? Because Tiger and Sandy are the most adamant Alex Smith supporters there are on this board and even they have said that the Chiefs need to upgrade the QB position.

Tiger might not say it again considering he is now under siege but he's said it in the past. He just doesn't think that Alex Smith deserves the constant barrage of attacks that he gets every game.

Nope, i think some people believe that a team can win a super bowl with Alex Smith as their QB. I don't think anyone believes that Alex Smith is going to LEAD us there. He will need tons of help and will basically be a cog along for the ride. Trent Dilfer.

You conveniently? changed a word in there. ^

.. and yeah.. that "lead" thing is a nope.

Public poll, Sauto. There aren't many if any. Let's sort it out.

when there are no enemies... create them.

See where that says "potentially"?

I wasn't even talking about you. I actually believe you are tired of him.

Bullshit.

**** man tigger is saying he's just coming into his own...

Once Smith is finally purged, cheeks will disappear into thin air

A mod trolling the team's quarterback who gets us wins. What is happening to this place

Yes, every draft pick is about potential. Looking at next year is even harder but it's also much less expensive.

Whenever someone says 'potential' about a QB they get beaten down and labeled a coward for even suggesting any QB in the draft might not be good.

So now you are afraid of taking a chance to get a QB?

Be careful or you will get thrown out of Group A.

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/3b/3b2e0...85562e0ea5.jpg

Jason's rage is building at the mere mention of Alex Smith and anyone not for castrating him.

I mean, I think it's POSSIBLE to win a Super Bowl with Alex Smith as your QB. I think any rational person can look at dudes who have won Super Bowls in the past and agree that if Alex Smith ever wins a Super Bowl, it won't exactly be the most stunning thing the league has ever seen.

The real question is, "Is it a good idea to take a QB like Alex Smith and hope the talent around him is good enough to drag him kicking and screaming to a championship?"

I think the overwhelming answer on this board is "no," and the number of people who think it's a solid strategy probably want something better, but they're under the impression that there is nothing the Chiefs could have done from 2013 - 2016 to alter or change that.

Those are the same folks still claiming that Derek Carr has already peaked and will be nothing more than Jay Cutler for the rest of his career.

Let's face up to facts. Smith is the guy for 2017, end of discussion. We're not going after Romo or any other vet QB out there. The fact that Smith and Bray are the only 2 QBs on the roster (not counting the PS) speaks volumes to me. This year's QB class is weak, most of them would be Day 2 picks if they weren't in short supply. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see us invest a #2 or 3 in Webb or Peterman and let them fight it out with Bray. At least we'd have a full year to see what we have.
Another thought would be to trade some of this year's picks for next year ones. I believe I'd like to have 11 picks next year than this year. Then you'd have ammo to trade for that guy if Bray or the rookie bomb.

ROFL

Are you ok? Have you fallen and bumped your head lately?

That's not the potential I'm talking about.

They are all potentially going to be in the draft.

There are several that might not be, in fact.


Seriously are you ok?

Have you looked at the tos? We are posters first. I'm free to say how I feel about any player on this team.

I believe we have peaked with Alex Smith as our qb. Could I be wrong? Absolutely.

Again, that is bullshit.

The majority of the board didn't like:

Josh Freeman
Mark Sanchez
Tim Tebow
Sam Bradford
Ryan Tannehill
Brandon Weedon

And when you get down to the Johnny Manziel stuff, it's not as simple as, "People thought Manziel was a good QB." A lot of people were pissed because Dorsey didn't draft Teddy Bridgewater, not Manziel. A lot of people were pissed because Dee Ford was the pick. A lot of people were just ****ing sick and tired of seeing teams leapfrog us in the draft to take QBs and were frustrated that it happened yet again.

That's a lot of QB busts that CP has rightly called and identified. And all but Sam Bradford were options available to them through trade-ups, and were considered distinct possibilities for us on draft day.

FACT

If only double standards existed on here

You are too.

I'M not even for castrating Alex Smith. Who would even come up with that shit. ****ing weirdos.

Very good, sensible post. :thumb:

Would be very interesting if they could turn pick 59 into a 2018 1st.

I would gladly trade out of this year's round 1 and give up another pick to have a top pick for next year's draft

And then watch as another team gives a 1st and a 2nd in 2018 and then 2019 and 2020 first round picks to trade up for a QB.

Great ****ing plan there, slick.

Don't let your disdain for tigger cloud your mind.
We would have 2 1st rounders in 2018 instead of just one giving us an advantage in acquiring whatever pick we wanted to get the QB that we wanted.

And just how exactly do you know a first in next year's draft will be a top pick?

Unless it's a trade with the niners or jets, you have almost no idea where a team's pick will be slotted...

The nfl has the most parity of any of the major sports leagues...

You're not going to get a 2018 first round pick for the 27th overall pick.

We would not from a team on the top of the 2cd but a team like the Eagles, Colts, Ravens that are in the middle of the 2cd round then yes we could.

There's too much unpredictability in that scenario.

The Broncos once traded a future 1st of theirs to Detroit so they could have Detroit's 2nd round pick and take some bust ass corner who sucked. I would take that deal in an instant were there a franchise idiotic enough to make that same mistake. I don't think there will be, however.

The problem with loading up on 2018 is you don't know if it will be enough and you don't know what you'll have. QB classes are tougher things to predict. 2004 was thought of as kind of an ordinary year, but it ended up being one of the most top-heavy QB classes of all time. A year out, 2013 was thought to be an even assemblage of QB talent, and it turned out to be AIDS soup.

Everybody saying, "2018 will be better" has no ****ing clue if it's going to be worth it. Or, you could get the opposite problem. 2012 was this amazing QB class too, but what you had was two damn good prospects get taken at 1 and 2, and then the rest of the QBs had huge issues (Tannehill, Weeden, and Assweiler were the next 3 off the board). If we get the draft ammo to trade up into the top 15 so we can draft the 3rd best QB, is he going to be a legit QB worth taking a shot on, or are we going to be better off trying to hunt for Russell Wilson in the 3rd round?

What we do know is that 2017 is a deep, deep, class, and pissing away these picks to get more draft ammo for the potential to trade up in a QB class that has the potential to better than this class is overthinking the draft to an absurd degree.

I'd rather take a guy with mechanical flaws like Mahomes and sit his ass on the bench for a couple years with just one pick than **** around with trades into next year when we have plenty of needs that this draft can AMPLY supply to us.

well put.

I hear what you're saying, and that might be ideal thing to do. But who do you have him sit behind? Smith, for sure in 2017, but what about 2018? I can just imagine the butthurt about that here.

I don't think the Clarks really care what posters on CP think. If they did we would have a worse qb drafting record than the Browns. And speaking of the Browns... how do they ever expect to be taken seriously with those hideous ****ing colors. Jesus!!

So no matter what happens we will never get a QB.

Because no matter what happens somebody else will take it from us.

Then is doesn't really matter what we do.

Hilarious that the same people endlessly bitching about the Chiefs not drafting a QB are inventing reasons why would shouldn't TRY to get one.


I don't think the Chiefs will ever pay a ransom to trade up and get a QB like Washington did.

So that leave 2 options:

1. we just get lucky and suck in the right year and stumble across a QB.

2. we plan further ahead and take the risk necessary to make a big move.

Maybe it doesn't work and we are stuck with draft another position after trading up.

Has Group A always says, at least we tried. We just try again and again ... until we get one.

it will be years before the chiefs fall off a cliff high enough up that allows them to draft that 'stud' qb. it's either late round one, early round 2 where they will find their qb. ORRRRRRRR... they stay stuck in veteran acquisitions perpetually.:(

I can understand this and as I have said if the guys that they like are gone then why not roll the dice for next year? We are only talking about one pick and maybe we even get a mid round back as boot to make it a better deal. Again like I said this would be dependent on if they don't really like any of the prospects that are there at 27. Look at last year he traded back because he thought the value was not there. The needs we have can be filled even without our 1st.
Belichick did all kinds of crazy trades for future picks and was called a genius for it by some and crazy by others until they seen it working and then he was just a genius.

To quote most around here if you don't have the QB the rest doesn't really matter.

That's the idea, you trade with a shitty team that's almost assuredly in the top 10.

Then we take that top 10 pick along with ours and move wherever we need to move to pick the QB we want.

Yes, it's a risk.

At least we will be trying, instead of just sitting here with our fingers crossed hoping that Dan Marino falls in our lap.

Chase Daniel? Brodie Croyle? I don't really give a shit. I don't even care if Smith starts in 2018.

We're the Chiefs. We were cowards during King Carl and never drafted a QB when we sucked. After Carl we never sucked QUITE enough or in the right year to get the RIGHT guy.

So we'll have to manufacture our own chances. This is the best way I know how. Take the guy with the most promise who stands a decent chance of clearing that bar given enough time and patience.

Try. Just ****ing try to draft a QB for ****'s sake.

No matter what one way or another everything is "too risky" even to those that seem to bitch about the Chiefs being risk adverse.
If you want a QB how do you plan on getting enough ammo to go get one?

has any team 'won' anything after giving up a bevy of picks for top draft rights?

you could argue even an andrew luck coming out of college would not have been that worthy, indy 'lucked' out that year. philly, washington to name a couple...

who else, i can't recall, gave up lots of picks and they didn't fare any better?

or who did give up a shit ton of picks and won big?

Would you trade Alex Smith for Cleveland's 1st round pick next year?

Even if we have to add a pick of our own to go along with it?


We gave two 2nds and when trading a draft pick each year delayed is supposed to lower the value of the pick by one round.

Alex Smith and our 3rd pick this year for Cleveland's 1st rounder next year?

I know people will shred it just like they try to shred every post about everything but a trade something like that.

We sign a Chase Daniel or something to start for us this year. We end up with 2 first round picks next year in a decent QB draft.

at least it's a plan, a plan i doubt we have now.


Doesn't matter, Reid doesn't want a young QB. We are just wasting time hoping for something that isn't going to happen.

:shake:

Can you trade future picks? If they can't get to a qb I would rather get a player that helps us win games now.

Like I said all those guys may not come out next year

Yes, absolutely. I would do that so fast your head would spin.

Good idea

Exactly we will have to manufacture that opportunity. Yes there are several ways to do that, but standing pat and filling other needs and having a great team that can put us oh so close despite the QB is not going to make it easier to manufacture that ability.
We don't need to draft one just to draft one either try to get the right one which is generally going to be found in the top part of the 1st as history has shown. Brady, Wilson are outliers they are not the norm. It is like find the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow or getting struck by lighting. I would rather hedge my bets to insure I had the ability to get a damn good one.

So do nothing then.

Just sit here and pray that a miracle happens and the league lets an elite QB fall into our laps in the middle of the 1st round? Then Pray that Reid even drafts him instead of trading down.


All the people demanding we take a chance to draft a QB suddenly don't want to risk anything to get a GOOD one.

So you can't trade future picks? Good to know

Uh, yeah you know like the Redskins did with the Rams and many, many, many other teams have always done over the years.????? I am sure you knew this so that is the reason for the ??????

I would think hard about kelce for Cleveland's first next year. **** maybe Justin Houston too.

What the **** are you talking about?

What's the difference? Trade picks this year for next year or trade next year using a pick from.the next year?

You are still using the same currency to get there, bud.

Yeah no shit WTF

You are acting like it's not an option.

It's actually no different than what you are suggesting

I'd trade Houston but not Kelce

Few players i want to keep

Kelce
Hill
Jones

I think anyone else is up for trade if it gets us a real chance at a QB.

Peters.

I would gladly part with next year's first for Houston. Kelce is too valuable to the offense at this point.

ALEX HAS TO BE THE CHIEFS QB THIS YEAR! like it or not.

you cannot **** up team chemistry after going 12-4. the only thing is to hope he stinks the place up so bad, the backup has to go in, then they draft in 2018. not that they wont draft a qb again this year, but...

you need a good reason to remove a qb like alex.

and the chiefs have no good reason for this upcoming season.

you defo can trade future picks. they do it all the time.

Team chemistry? Oh you mean the deafense and special teams carrying Alex again.

Yes we, just like any other team, will have to pay the piper to get up there. If there is no one there that they like this year then why not pay part of that price now instead of putting it on in the future? We will need to be replacing some of our players as well as wanting to surround our new QB with players and pieces to help him and put us, keep us, on a forward track to winning a SB.
If there is a player there that Dorsey likes then fine draft him, otherwise lets be aggressive to improve the most important position on the entire team. The one position that most have said is the reason we have not won anything yet, especially with the rest of the squad that we already have.

im saying there is no urgency for a team like the chiefs to draft any qb THIS year. one could argue any qb could do well with the current chiefs, and better than alex. but you dont throw away 30 plus wins in three years for an unknown.

yep, forgot about him

keep Peters

I'm not saying draft a QB this year.

I'm saying we try to set up a situation where we are in a good position to take a QB next year.

got ya. i just know alex has to be on the roster next year. i just don't know giving up draft picks galore is a good idea. now this time next year, if a player entering the draft has posted 6000 yards passing. played under center and is a proven stand up citizen, then **** yeah. but not if any qb's don't separate themselves from the pack. :D

Which is the exact same stance most of us will be in next year.

to me it sounds like peters has one foot out the door headed to LV/OAK/SD already.

will love to see into the future what he does when it's time for a new contract. :D

The strategy means buying into the future based on the predictions of scouts trying to prognosticate an entire class of players a FULL CALENDAR YEAR in advance

All the people suddenly thinking this is a great idea to get our QB were the same assholes who laughed at the Redskins for trading an arm and a leg for RGIII

It will still be too risky for ****s like you.