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Swanman 03-29-2016 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RobBlake (Post 12154382)
Anyone know dofference between development and production?

I would imagine in development is working out the script and maybe the cast and in production means they are actually shooting or getting ready to shoot.

Bowser 03-29-2016 10:18 AM

I am DEVELOPING a plan to get Margot Robbie in bed

I am PRODUCING the effort to get Margot Robbie in bed


Hope that helped

Fire Me Boy! 03-29-2016 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 12154646)
I am DEVELOPING a plan to get Margot Robbie in bed

I am PRODUCING the effort to get Margot Robbie in bed


Hope that helped

Continuing the metaphor, how do you define post-production?

Anyong Bluth 03-29-2016 12:06 PM

Really like the newest trailer. Only mildly surprised it's an August release - is it R? I'm guessing not, but an R version will be on the BR.

Anyong Bluth 03-29-2016 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 12154657)
Continuing the metaphor, how do you define post-production?

Mostly CGI of placing his head on the body of whoever is actually boning her.

She's so ridiculously hot.

Bowser 03-29-2016 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 12154883)
Mostly CGI of placing his head on the body of whoever is actually boning her.

She's so ridiculously hot.

Have YOU ever CGI banged Margot Robbie?

Scoreboard

Anyong Bluth 03-29-2016 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 12154982)
Have YOU ever CGI banged Margot Robbie?

Scoreboard

I don't CGI kiss and tell.

unlurking 03-29-2016 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 12154657)
Continuing the metaphor, how do you define post-production?

cab fare

big nasty kcnut 03-30-2016 02:44 AM

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2-lPPLH-rB...55362ed1d8.jpg lets not forget Cara Delevingne now she is tight!

BigRichard 03-30-2016 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by big nasty kcnut (Post 12155975)
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2-lPPLH-rB...55362ed1d8.jpg lets not forget Cara Delevingne now she is tight!

You talking about the bean stalk in the forefront or one of the two women in the back ground?

big nasty kcnut 04-01-2016 12:32 PM

in the pink and yes i like the tall girls!

The Franchise 04-01-2016 12:38 PM

5'8" is tall?

Anyong Bluth 04-01-2016 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12159273)
5'8" is tall?

For a girl? It's kinda tall

BigRichard 04-01-2016 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12159273)
5'8" is tall?

If you are referencing my use of bean stalk I might have misused the word. I was talking more about her being a twig. Those legs are like straight up and down. No curve to them what-so-ever.

ThaVirus 04-01-2016 01:49 PM

5'7" and above is tall for a woman

Sure-Oz 04-10-2016 09:45 PM

http://youtu.be/wO5l8dkerqg

Embed please. Looks awesome. More Batman.

Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

Buehler445 04-10-2016 10:19 PM

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/wO5l8dkerqg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

GloucesterChief 04-10-2016 10:38 PM

That embed is on the perfect frame.

Buehler445 04-10-2016 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 12172331)
That embed is on the perfect frame.

You're welcome.

Yeah. I'd hit that like it stole something.

BigRichard 04-11-2016 04:27 AM

Anyone else think that the batsuit, when he jumps off the building, doesn't look anything like the batsuit in B vs S?

007 04-11-2016 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRichard (Post 12172426)
Anyone else think that the batsuit, when he jumps off the building, doesn't look anything like the batsuit in B vs S?

I'm a little confused. I thought this was something that was taking place before Man of Steel but they are talking about Superman as if he has already been on the world for some time as Superman.

Sure-Oz 04-11-2016 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 12172430)
I'm a little confused. I thought this was something that was taking place before Man of Steel but they are talking about Superman as if he has already been on the world for some time as Superman.

Ya I thought the same thing...I know that after Superman and Zod thing happend 18 mo's passed before batman V Superman

Sure-Oz 04-11-2016 07:35 AM

Sweet image before Batman dives into the water...lookd like a breathing apparatushttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...1e35edd00b.jpg

007 04-11-2016 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 12172458)
Ya I thought the same thing...I know that after Superman and Zod thing happend 18 mo's passed before batman V Superman

Must be a new joker then because letos version looks too young to have dealt with batman when Robin died.

Sure-Oz 04-11-2016 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 12172727)
Must be a new joker then because letos version looks too young to have dealt with batman when Robin died.

That Jason Todd is the Joker has been rumored for quite awhile. Curious how this all ties in

unlurking 04-11-2016 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 12172503)
Sweet image before Batman dives into the water...lookd like a breathing apparatushttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...1e35edd00b.jpg

Meh. Looks kinda stupid to me.

Sure-Oz 04-11-2016 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 12172727)
Must be a new joker then because letos version looks too young to have dealt with batman when Robin died.

Batman news says this is supposed to be after Batman V Superman and most likely NOT a new joker

Munson 07-23-2016 04:47 PM

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/SULFiCh0Zsw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

BigRichard 07-23-2016 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Munson (Post 12330055)
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/SULFiCh0Zsw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

That just looks completely awesome.

unlurking 07-24-2016 10:28 AM

Less Aflac. Less Smith. More Robbie.

Sure-Oz 07-24-2016 09:55 PM

Affleck won't be in this much....still love him as Batman.

Anyong Bluth 07-24-2016 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by unlurking (Post 12331034)
Less Aflac. Less Smith. More Robbie.

More Margot.


Always, more Margot!

unlurking 07-25-2016 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 12332392)
More Margot.


Always, more Margot!

Yes and Yes.

BWillie 07-25-2016 04:44 PM

This movie looks terrible.

Munson 07-25-2016 04:48 PM

I have a feeling this movie is gonna rock, with the exception of Will Smith.

Every time he opens his mouth, it seems like the Fresh Prince of Bel Air is talking.

Fire Me Boy! 07-25-2016 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Munson (Post 12333500)
I have a feeling this movie is gonna rock, with the exception of Will Smith.

Every time he opens his mouth, it seems like the Fresh Prince of Bel Air is talking.



I don't hear Fresh Prince. I hear his character from Independence Day. But yeah.

ThaVirus 07-25-2016 10:16 PM

That's better than hearing his character from After Earth, I suppose.

thabear04 07-29-2016 09:48 AM

Spoiler Alert: Don’t read further if you don’t want to know about a key addition to Suicide Squad …

Spoiler!

BigRichard 07-29-2016 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by thabear04 (Post 12341507)
Spoiler Alert: Don’t read further if you don’t want to know about a key addition to Suicide Squad …

Spoiler!

Decisions decisions

ThaVirus 07-29-2016 05:59 PM

That's random as hell but I'm down.

GloucesterChief 07-29-2016 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12342072)
That's random as hell but I'm down.

Captain Boomerang = Flash Rogue.

thabear04 08-02-2016 08:57 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sorry about getting caught up in the moment and saying fuck Marvel. Someone said it. I echoed. Not cool. Respect for my brother filmmakers.</p>&mdash; David Ayer (@DavidAyerMovies) <a href="https://twitter.com/DavidAyerMovies/status/760301061299179520">August 2, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Sure-Oz 08-02-2016 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by thabear04 (Post 12347237)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sorry about getting caught up in the moment and saying fuck Marvel. Someone said it. I echoed. Not cool. Respect for my brother filmmakers.</p>— David Ayer (@DavidAyerMovies) <a href="https://twitter.com/DavidAyerMovies/status/760301061299179520">August 2, 2016</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He was clearly joking but people get butthurt

Cheater5 08-02-2016 11:39 AM

I rarely care about movie reviews, however I am not seeing much positive feedback. This dude blasts Suicide Squad squarely in the @ss:

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/...e-squad-review

"Suicide Squad is bad. Not fun bad. Not redeemable bad. Not the kind of bad that is the unfortunate result of artists honorably striving for something ambitious and falling short. Suicide Squad is just bad. It’s ugly and boring, a toxic combination that means the film’s highly fetishized violence doesn’t even have the exciting tingle of the wicked or the taboo."

Another:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/rev...-review-915825

"A puzzlingly confused undertaking that never becomes as cool as it thinks it is, Suicide Squad assembles an all-star team of supervillains and then doesn’t know what to do with them."

Sure-Oz 08-02-2016 12:31 PM

Metacritic shows mostly mixed. Ill go see it and form my opinion. I saw a reviewer that said he hated bvs but liked this. Most issues I hear are editing...if that's the case DC/WB needs to fix that asap and fire someone.

Demonpenz 08-02-2016 12:37 PM

It is pretty good as a popcorn flick. I liked having Will Smith in there because I don't know the other actors well.

thabear04 08-02-2016 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheater5 (Post 12347557)
I rarely care about movie reviews, however I am not seeing much positive feedback. This dude blasts Suicide Squad squarely in the @ss:

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/...e-squad-review

"Suicide Squad is bad. Not fun bad. Not redeemable bad. Not the kind of bad that is the unfortunate result of artists honorably striving for something ambitious and falling short. Suicide Squad is just bad. It’s ugly and boring, a toxic combination that means the film’s highly fetishized violence doesn’t even have the exciting tingle of the wicked or the taboo."

Another:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/rev...-review-915825

"A puzzlingly confused undertaking that never becomes as cool as it thinks it is, Suicide Squad assembles an all-star team of supervillains and then doesn’t know what to do with them."

I heard the same too some girl said it was BvS part 2.

http://www.businessinsider.com/suici...-review-2016-8

sd4chiefs 08-02-2016 01:00 PM

37% on the tomatometer with 41 reviews. Worst summer movie season ever. :cuss:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/suicide_squad_2016/

BigRichard 08-02-2016 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sd4chiefs (Post 12347693)
37% on the tomatometer with 41 reviews. Worst summer movie season ever. :cuss:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/suicide_squad_2016/

That is all critic reviews. I will usually fall more in line with audience reviews.

Sure-Oz 08-02-2016 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRichard (Post 12347727)
That is all critic reviews. I will usually fall more in line with audience reviews.

Yep...

metacritic so far has 6 positive 11 mixed 4 neg.

RT has given Ghostbusters a 74℅ and Sharknado a 90 something℅ go see it yourself if you're interested

RobBlake 08-02-2016 04:45 PM

i feel like they are basing everything off how marvel did things.. and that's just wrong. F critic reviews.

Deberg_1990 08-02-2016 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RobBlake (Post 12348061)
i feel like they are basing everything off how marvel did things.. and that's just wrong. F critic reviews.

It sounds like this thing was heavily regiggered and edited by committee. I'd bet a lot of money the WB execs were like "Make it more like Guardians of the Galaxy" !!!

Sure-Oz 08-02-2016 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 12348230)
It sounds like this thing was heavily regiggered and edited by committee. I'd bet a lot of money the WB execs were like "Make it more like Guardians of the Galaxy" !!!

I'm hearing the editing wasn't good...so j wonder if there is a different cut. That said Geoff Johns took over the movie side and pres of DC after this movie started ...so I have hope. That said the rate critics and RT are neg bombing these movies by wb and dc I almost don't expect any of them going fwd to exceed 60℅. That said I bet I like this movie.

Wonder Woman I have the most hope to get critically acclaimed status like the Marvel movies...we'll see. The movies are def different styles between marvel and DC.

JD10367 08-04-2016 01:18 AM

Wasn't great but better than I expected. Flawed story, nice visuals, less grim than the two Supes films. Better than the critics are saying. Leto is fine, Smith is bearable, Robbie is okay, almost too many characters crammed in. Second half gets hackneyed, telegraphed plot and typical Big Bad Villian coupled with all powerful beings who forget they're all powerful. Good music (music and visuals very "Sucker Punch" Snyder). I wasn't bored but like "Star Trek" it won't change your world. 3D was good.

Just Passin' By 08-04-2016 01:32 AM

Currently sitting at 31% on RT (39/88/127)
Currently sitting at 42 on Metacritic (9/22/13/44)

Anyong Bluth 08-04-2016 01:49 AM

Warner screwed it and panicked.

After BvS, they actually hired an editor from the company that created the trailers and there was 2 cuts. Ayers cut and the other. Warner basically forced them to hack together parts of both cuts and was the reason for reshoots because combining the 2 was required to make the continuity work.

Congratulations, WB! They spooked after BvS and now have themselves a Frankenfilm.

If they would have just released the UC BvS the press would have been a lot more positive and Suicide Squad would be a VERY different movie.

Studio execs can't get out of their own way to keep from ****ing up and shitting the bed.

JD10367 08-04-2016 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 12350573)
Warner screwed it and panicked.

After BvS, they actually hired an editor from the company that created the trailers and there was 2 cuts. Ayers cut and the other. Warner basically forced them to hack together parts of both cuts and was the reason for reshoots because combining the 2 was required to make the continuity work.

Congratulations, WB! They spooked after BvS and now have themselves a Frankenfilm.

If they would have just released the UC BvS the press would have been a lot more positive and Suicide Squad would be a VERY different movie.

Studio execs can't get out of their own way to keep from ****ing up and shitting the bed.

I disagree. I think the reshoots were just to lighten the mood and make it more "GotG" and less "MoS" and "BvS". The film DID seem like two different halves, but that was out of necessity; the first hour was introducing characters and setting up the flimsy "capture the flag" plot, the rest was the group trying to capture said flag. There really wasn't much plotwise, it was mostly just the characters quipping lines at each other--and even then it was basically "The Will Smith and Margot Robbie Show (with a Special Appearance by Jared Leto)".

Anyong Bluth 08-04-2016 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 12350841)
I disagree. I think the reshoots were just to lighten the mood and make it more "GotG" and less "MoS" and "BvS". The film DID seem like two different halves, but that was out of necessity; the first hour was introducing characters and setting up the flimsy "capture the flag" plot, the rest was the group trying to capture said flag. There really wasn't much plotwise, it was mostly just the characters quipping lines at each other--and even then it was basically "The Will Smith and Margot Robbie Show (with a Special Appearance by Jared Leto)".

What's to disagree about? It's what happened

Fire Me Boy! 08-04-2016 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 12350841)
I disagree. I think the reshoots were just to lighten the mood and make it more "GotG" and less "MoS" and "BvS". The film DID seem like two different halves, but that was out of necessity; the first hour was introducing characters and setting up the flimsy "capture the flag" plot, the rest was the group trying to capture said flag. There really wasn't much plotwise, it was mostly just the characters quipping lines at each other--and even then it was basically "The Will Smith and Margot Robbie Show (with a Special Appearance by Jared Leto)".

Don't remember where (maybe Hollywood Reporter) saying exactly what Anyong said.

JD10367 08-04-2016 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 12350848)
Don't remember where (maybe Hollywood Reporter) saying exactly what Anyong said.

The facts, yes, but his supposition that this action created a "Frankenfilm" and was the sole reason it is supposedly a bad film is, IMO, incorrect. If anything, it seems like the execs probably stayed out of it more than they usually do; it seemed to me, like "GotG", that "Squad" was more a film made by people who, if they weren't making the film, would want to see the film they were making (if that makes sense). Honestly, it's not a great film, but given the source material I'm not sure how it could've been much better. It's a large cast so it has the problems any film with a large cast does, like "Avengers", or "GotG" or "Legends of Tomorrow" on TV, which is what the film feels most like--a bunch of losers who end up in a group. And since it comes after "GotG" and "Legends" it has an unavoidably derivative feel; if this film had come before "GotG" it probably would've gotten better reviews.

If I had one complaint I'd say they did try to make it TOO accessible and family-friendly; I've heard comments about violence but frankly there really isn't any--there was more violence in the scene in "BvS" where Batman rescues Clark's mom than there was in the entire "Suicide Squad" film. The film almost isn't dark enough; it's akin to the first "Batman" film, really.

DaneMcCloud 08-04-2016 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 12350862)
The facts, yes, but his supposition that this action created a "Frankenfilm" and was the sole reason it is supposedly a bad film is, IMO, incorrect.

90% of all films are created in the edit bay. Without a great edit, the most amazing script, direction and photography can be absolutely destroyed and turned into garbage.

Warner's is doing a terrible job in their comic universe post Nolan. If they had released the BvS UE edition instead of the watered down, overly edited version, there would be far less outcry and a more unified vision moving forward.

Now, they're likely screwed for a while and may never get it back on track.

DaneMcCloud 08-04-2016 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 12350573)
Warner screwed it and panicked.

After BvS, they actually hired an editor from the company that created the trailers and there was 2 cuts. Ayers cut and the other. Warner basically forced them to hack together parts of both cuts and was the reason for reshoots because combining the 2 was required to make the continuity work.

I have several friends that edit trailers, whether blockbusters or indie films.

It's absolutely nothing like editing a film, whatsoever, and they'll tell you that honestly and upfront. They're two completely different animals.

What a mess.

Anyong Bluth 08-04-2016 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12351043)
I have several friends that edit trailers, whether blockbusters or indie films.

It's absolutely nothing like editing a film, whatsoever, and they'll tell you that honestly and upfront. They're two completely different animals.

What a mess.

Having done some editing in college, and as you mentioned in your last few posts, what may seem a dry job when compared to, say, director, couldn't be further from the truth.

Anyone who's done basic editing can appreciate how genius and talented a great editor can weave magic.

Take 20 clips of b roll and ask 10 people to put together a 30 second commercial. You'll be astonished at how much bland and obvious a lot of them will have in similarity. You'll be even more astonished when you see someone with an eye for editing and the subtle choices and using shots in a sequence that didn’t seem obvious to 90% of the everyone else.

Now, do it for a dozen hours of film shot, and slice it down to 90-120 minutes.

Just Passin' By 08-04-2016 11:32 AM

Down to under 30% on RT. I wonder how low that number has to go in order to impact the published $140m expectations.

Anyong Bluth 08-04-2016 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 12350862)
The facts, yes, but his supposition that this action created a "Frankenfilm" and was the sole reason it is supposedly a bad film is, IMO, incorrect. If anything, it seems like the execs probably stayed out of it more than they usually do; it seemed to me, like "GotG", that "Squad" was more a film made by people who, if they weren't making the film, would want to see the film they were making (if that makes sense). Honestly, it's not a great film, but given the source material I'm not sure how it could've been much better. It's a large cast so it has the problems any film with a large cast does, like "Avengers", or "GotG" or "Legends of Tomorrow" on TV, which is what the film feels most like--a bunch of losers who end up in a group. And since it comes after "GotG" and "Legends" it has an unavoidably derivative feel; if this film had come before "GotG" it probably would've gotten better reviews.

If I had one complaint I'd say they did try to make it TOO accessible and family-friendly; I've heard comments about violence but frankly there really isn't any--there was more violence in the scene in "BvS" where Batman rescues Clark's mom than there was in the entire "Suicide Squad" film. The film almost isn't dark enough; it's akin to the first "Batman" film, really.

Asking people what they want to see is the biggest mistake. Talent is talent, and should be visionary. It's a presentation of artistic achievement, and frankly, 90% of the public has either poor taste or no creative talent.

If you want want a say, go read a choose your own adventure book.

Homogenized film is terrible. Studio execs are rarely "talent"- especially these days.

There's a reason why Robert Evans was so successful as a studio head in what was the last golden era of film in Hollywood. It baffles me that more visionary talent isn't in place to head up exec decisions when it comes to final say when the studios wanna tinker with a movie.

mnchiefsguy 08-04-2016 11:42 AM

It opened overseas yesterday and did very well:

http://deadline.com/2016/08/suicide-...ts-1201798378/

I liked the film. Thought it was better than the second Avengers movie. Not as good as Guardians, but not nearly as bad as some of the reviews are making it out to be.

Seems like critics love Marvel, but have a different set of expectations for DC movies. I expect there to be a "Ultimate Edition" for Suicide Squad when it hits blu-ray. I think the DC universe is back on track. Wonder Woman and Justice League previews look good, and they have managed to establish that their universe is different from Marvel's (bit darker tone, etc.)

Suicide Squad easily is as good as several Marvel Movies (better than say IM2 or IM3, Ultron, and Thor 2 for example).

RobBlake 08-04-2016 01:16 PM

I agree, i feel there's a major hard on for marvel.

Anyong Bluth 08-04-2016 01:37 PM

3rded. GotG was fantastic, but a lot of the rave reviews for Marvel are blowing sunshine where it normally don't.

They're consistently good films, but nothing great about most of them.

Again, it seems to be en vogue to trash DC and blow Marvel a bit too much.

WB screwed the pooch tinkering with SS as a reaction to their screwing with BvS. If the UC is the original cut, there’s a completely different narrative and way less pressure on the studio.

I'd like to see the original 2 cuts of SS, but I won't hold my breath on them being available to watch anytime soon.

Sure-Oz 08-04-2016 01:55 PM

Let's hope Geoff Johns helps the ship going forward...I'm betting I'll enjoy suicide squad but enough with tinkering and UC's that are the 'real' movie. Release the directors vision

mnchiefsguy 08-04-2016 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 12351406)
3rded. GotG was fantastic, but a lot of the rave reviews for Marvel are blowing sunshine where it normally don't.

They're consistently good films, but nothing great about most of them.

Again, it seems to be en vogue to trash DC and blow Marvel a bit too much.

WB screwed the pooch tinkering with SS as a reaction to their screwing with BvS. If the UC is the original cut, there’s a completely different narrative and way less pressure on the studio.

I'd like to see the original 2 cuts of SS, but I won't hold my breath on them being available to watch anytime soon.

I think the positive response and sales for the BVS Ultimate Edition will make hard for WB not to put out an Director's Cut. Tough to pass up on that extra revenue.

I enjoy all of them...save for some of the X-Men Movies and the FF4 movies, which were just awful.

Anyong Bluth 08-04-2016 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 12351455)
I think the positive response and sales for the BVS Ultimate Edition will make hard for WB not to put out an Director's Cut. Tough to pass up on that extra revenue.

I enjoy all of them...save for some of the X-Men Movies and the FF4 movies, which were just awful.

F4 movies are atrocities.

RobBlake 08-04-2016 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 12351457)
F4 movies are atrocities.

Shows you the bias, I read somewhere that a critic felt SS was worse than the latest version of F4. That F4 was literally the worse movie i've ever seen.

Just Passin' By 08-04-2016 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 12351406)
3rded. GotG was fantastic, but a lot of the rave reviews for Marvel are blowing sunshine where it normally don't.

They're consistently good films, but nothing great about most of them.

Again, it seems to be en vogue to trash DC and blow Marvel a bit too much.

WB screwed the pooch tinkering with SS as a reaction to their screwing with BvS. If the UC is the original cut, there’s a completely different narrative and way less pressure on the studio.

I'd like to see the original 2 cuts of SS, but I won't hold my breath on them being available to watch anytime soon.

The Marvel movies are (your words) consistently good.
The DC movies have sucked ass.

How you get from that to "but a lot of the rave reviews for Marvel are blowing sunshine where it normally don't" is probably fascinating, but the plain truth is that the Marvel movies are good and the DC movies aren't.

Deberg_1990 08-04-2016 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobBlake (Post 12351476)
Shows you the bias, I read somewhere that a critic felt SS was worse than the latest version of F4. That F4 was literally the worse movie i've ever seen.

Agreed. That last FF movie (which ironically opened on this same weekend a year ago) was complete garbage. It also had a ton of bad editing decisions

DaneMcCloud 08-04-2016 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 12351122)
Having done some editing in college, and as you mentioned in your last few posts, what may seem a dry job when compared to, say, director, couldn't be further from the truth.

Anyone who's done basic editing can appreciate how genius and talented a great editor can weave magic.

Take 20 clips of b roll and ask 10 people to put together a 30 second commercial. You'll be astonished at how much bland and obvious a lot of them will have in similarity. You'll be even more astonished when you see someone with an eye for editing and the subtle choices and using shots in a sequence that didn’t seem obvious to 90% of the everyone else.

Now, do it for a dozen hours of film shot, and slice it down to 90-120 minutes.

I always find it hilarious when people with zero experience say they're going to purchase Final Cut Pro or Sony Vegas 14 or Premiere and become "an editor".

Uh, there's much more than video editing software to media of any type, whether it's a Feature Film, Documentary, Reality TV, Single or Multi-Camera TV and so on. There's this thing called "feel" and "instinct", not just chopping together a bunch of scenes.

And the crazy thing is that most of the editors that I know can't even really describe their process. One friend does blockbuster trailers, a few more do Reality, one's been at ABC/ESPN since 1979 and used to cut film back in the day, then worked on Avid, then Final Cut, then back to Avid.

But when asked to actually describe the job, it's a whole lot of "Well, I felt that this worked here and that worked there and we were able shape it from that point forwards".

I had neighbors in a small 12 unit townhome community back from 2000-2003 that turned a janitor's closet (it was literally like 10'x12', tops, maybe smaller) in the building into a video editing suite. I used to hang out with them at night just to watch them edit game trailers and movie trailers. It was a complete blast.

Now, they're the Co-Presidents of Ant Farm, one of the largest post houses in the world. They're uber successful but it's because they know what something should become, not because of an Avid rig.

Anyong Bluth 08-04-2016 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 12351506)
The Marvel movies are (your words) consistently good.
The DC movies have sucked ass.

How you get from that to "but a lot of the rave reviews for Marvel are blowing sunshine where it normally don't" is probably fascinating, but the plain truth is that the Marvel movies are good and the DC movies aren't.

"Good" is a relative term. Most hover in the B range, and I specifically mentioned consistent because Marvel hasn't turned out many duds so they get that credit, but good is not great. Let's not pretend Marvel Studios is mirroring a run like Miramax did in the 90s.

Age of Ultron was a big disappointment for me, because I dig on Ultron and the movie version was lame. Spader voicing him was the only awesome thing they did with the character. Fox's version of Quicksilver makes Marvel's look atrocious.

As for DC, I think MoS is a good flick, BvS UC I liked a lot. The Nolan Trilogy is fantastic.

So, yes, Marvel is being cut more slack for their consistency, and WB is not doing DC any favors meddling. Disney wisely kept more hands off and it has been rewarded.

I was eager to see SS, so knowing what went on and the mixed reviews to put it nicely is disappointing. Hopefully Strange delivers in November.

Anyong Bluth 08-04-2016 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12351784)
I always find it hilarious when people with zero experience say they're going to purchase Final Cut Pro or Sony Vegas 14 or Premiere and become "an editor".

Uh, there's much more than video editing software to media of any type, whether it's a Feature Film, Documentary, Reality TV, Single or Multi-Camera TV and so on. There's this thing called "feel" and "instinct", not just chopping together a bunch of scenes.

And the crazy thing is that most of the editors that I know can't even really describe their process. One friend does blockbuster trailers, a few more do Reality, one's been at ABC/ESPN since 1979 and used to cut film back in the day, then worked on Avid, then Final Cut, then back to Avid.

But when asked to actually describe the job, it's a whole lot of "Well, I felt that this worked here and that worked there and we were able shape it from that point forwards".

I had neighbors in a small 12 unit townhome community back from 2000-2003 that turned a janitor's closet (it was literally like 10'x12', tops, maybe smaller) in the building into a video editing suite. I used to hang out with them at night just to watch them edit game trailers and movie trailers. It was a complete blast.

Now, they're the Co-Presidents of Ant Farm, one of the largest post houses in the world. They're uber successful but it's because they know what something should become, not because of an Avid rig.

Awesome. Yes. Editors are rarely given the limelight or due credit. It's a perfect description of blending technical savvy, storytelling and gut instinct of someone who has a creative mind and eye for taking jumbled mess like a jigsaw puzzle.
The extraordinary ones can take the puzzle pieces of what was originally some boring picture, cut the pieces individually to refit them together and turn out a totally different, unique, and phenomenal picture unlike what was expected.

Ask Spielberg if he values his Editors. [emoji57]

DaneMcCloud 08-04-2016 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 12351840)
Ask Spielberg if he values his Editors. [emoji57]

I have an old buddy, who was married to the VP of legal at Paramount (now she's at Uni) that edited all of the Farrelly Brothers films and was brought in to edit on Spielberg's "Minority Report".

Even though powerful editing systems like the Avid Composer and Media stations existed, Spielberg required his films (at least up until that point) to be edited, by hand, on a freakin' Moviola!

I have a close friend in my neighborhood that's 92 years old. He won several Clio awards for editing back in the late 60's and 70's (I've seen the awards in his beautiful home that has a view of the entire city) and his wife was a Hall of Fame, Oscar winning editor from the 60's through the 90's. Unfortunately, I never had a chance to meet her, as she passed from Alzheimer's about 9 years ago and was in a home for years before that.

But man, the stories!

Just Passin' By 08-04-2016 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 12351810)
"Good" is a relative term. Most hover in the B range, and I specifically mentioned consistent because Marvel hasn't turned out many duds so they get that credit, but good is not great. Let's not pretend Marvel Studios is mirroring a run like Miramax did in the 90s.

Age of Ultron was a big disappointment for me, because I dig on Ultron and the movie version was lame. Spader voicing him was the only awesome thing they did with the character. Fox's version of Quicksilver makes Marvel's look atrocious.

As for DC, I think MoS is a good flick, BvS UC I liked a lot. The Nolan Trilogy is fantastic.

So, yes, Marvel is being cut more slack for their consistency, and WB is not doing DC any favors meddling. Disney wisely kept more hands off and it has been rewarded.

I was eager to see SS, so knowing what went on and the mixed reviews to put it nicely is disappointing. Hopefully Strange delivers in November.


Hulk got only 61%, Spider-man 3 got only 63%, Thor: The Dark World got only 66%, and The Incredible Hulk got only 67%, so it's not as if reviewers have been just blowing Marvel about every movie. Every one of those movies is better than MOS and BvS, so it makes sense that they'd be rated higher, but they were at the bottom of "fresh" ratings, which is certainly not blowing sunshine.

Still, MOS got 55% at RT, which is in the sort of range you'd expect from a movie that was a failure, but not a terrible failure, which is really about the most generous anyone can rate that film without absolutely selling their soul. BVS was a steaming pile of shit, and got a better rating (27%) than it deserved.

And the Nolan trilogy isn't really the subject here, but they got the kind of reviews they deserved.

mnchiefsguy 08-04-2016 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 12351950)
Hulk got only 61%, Spider-man 3 got only 63%, Thor: The Dark World got only 66%, and The Incredible Hulk got only 67%, so it's not as if reviewers have been just blowing Marvel about every movie. Every one of those movies is better than MOS and BvS, so it makes sense that they'd be rated higher, but they were at the bottom of "fresh" ratings, which is certainly not blowing sunshine.

Still, MOS got 55% at RT, which is in the sort of range you'd expect from a movie that was a failure, but not a terrible failure, which is really about the most generous anyone can rate that film without absolutely selling their soul. BVS was a steaming pile of shit, and got a better rating (27%) than it deserved.

And the Nolan trilogy isn't really the subject here, but they got the kind of reviews they deserved.


There is no way that Spiderman 3 is better than MOS or BVS. Spiderman 3 was so ****ing bad they had to reboot the franchise.


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